What's really happening in Ukraine?

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First, this is an honest perspective. No trolling here.

I listened to the entire thing. I don't feel like I really know what's going on in Ukraine. They mostly did not talk about Ukraine. I heard a lot of criticism of "journalistic" careerism from Chris Hedges and "journalistic" activism from the other journalist. They both made very good points.

I got that Ukraine is corrupt and it sounds like weapons are being sold and probably enriching the Ukrainian elites. I got that there are some atrocities that are not being reported that were committed by Ukrainian soldiers. I got that there was seemingly nonsense reports about attacks at Donbas and at the nuclear site and I believe a POW camp where Russians are being held. I get that they believe that reporters are working on behalf of the Western governments.

It seems that those types of incidents, though dishonest and corrupt, are some of the things that happen in war. Everyone lies. Both sides of the conflict, the media and governments alike.

My only serious critique is that I still don't know that is actually happening in the war, even after 36 minutes of discussion.
 
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First, this is an honest perspective. No trolling here.

I listened to the entire thing. I don't feel like I really know what's going on in Ukraine. They mostly did not talk about Ukraine. I heard a lot of criticism of "journalistic" careerism from Chris Hedges and "journalistic" activism from the other journalist. They both made very good points.

I got that Ukraine is corrupt and it sounds like weapons are being sold and probably enriching the Ukrainian elites. I got that there are some atrocities that are not being reported that were committed by Ukrainian soldiers. I got that there was seemingly nonsense reports about attacks at Donbas and at the nuclear site and I believe a POW camp where Russians are being held. I get that they believe that reporters are working on behalf of the Western governments.

It seems that those types of incidents, though dishonest and corrupt, are some of the things that happen in war. Everyone lies. Both sides of the conflict, the media and governments alike.

My only serious critique is that I still don't know that is actually happening in the war, even after 36 minutes of discussion.
You're right. Ultimately, Hedges was saying you can't know unless you're there, and they are not doing real war journalism anymore, and no one is really observing, so no one knows. I have no stance on the Ukraine war because I know we don't know, and I know there are always the publicized reasons for wars and then the real reasons.
 
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Here Hedges says NATO/the Ukraine conflict is about enriching the arms industry and weakening Russia. Russia was provoked, he says. "Neocons in the Biden administration..." "Global hegemony..." Chomsky also speaks.

 
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Here Hedges says NATO/the Ukraine conflict is about enriching the arms industry and weakening Russia. Russia was provoked, he says. "Neocons in the Biden administration..." "Global hegemony..." Chomsky also speaks.



I'll give it a listen as well. I just know that Putin is also an imperialist and that seems to have been set aside as inconsequential in this war, which is weird. They took a slice of Georgia years ago now, the invaded Crimea. He said that the break up of the Soviet Union was a genuine tragedy.

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I'll give it a listen as well. I just know that Putin is also an imperialist and that seems to have been set aside as inconsequential in this war, which is weird. They took a slice of Georgia years ago now, the invaded Crimea. He said that the break up of the Soviet Union was a genuine tragedy.

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Putin is also a horrible person. It's a big fuckin mess, is what it is. And once again, the people pay the price.
 

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The bottom line is the west aka international jewry wants Ukraine to be part of NATO and the EU so it can be swallowed up into the Eurozone and remain a kike puppet state where all the dodgy dealings like money laundering, child porn (Ukraine is regarded as one of the biggest producers and distributors of CP in the world) & human trafficking can continue.

What they don't want is Russia to reclaim its former territory, hence why the entire MSM and western establishment has been in overdrive promoting Ukraine and demonising Putin.

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The bottom line is the west aka international jewry wants Ukraine to be part of NATO and the EU so it can be swallowed up into the Eurozone and remain a kike puppet state where all the dodgy dealings like money laundering, child porn (Ukraine is regarded as one of the biggest producers and distributors of CP in the world) & human trafficking can continue.

What they don't want is Russia to reclaim its former territory, hence why the entire MSM and western establishment has been in overdrive promoting Ukraine and demonising Putin.

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You need a mental health checkup.
 

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Meanwhile in Israel.....

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Chris Hedges is one of the very few people I believe about this whole thing.



Let me inform you the reason that there might be confusion in news stories is journalists DIE in war zones. Any information from there these days is iffy.

The facts are 6000 nuclear warhead armed Russia illegally invaded 0 warhead unarmed Ukraine.

The world doesn't tolerate invasions anymore and so have supported the victims and all of us are paying for it with our money.

They are lucky I am not the president because I would have nuked the Kremlin the first week.
 

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The bottom line is the west aka international jewry wants Ukraine to be part of NATO and the EU so it can be swallowed up into the Eurozone and remain a kike puppet state where all the dodgy dealings like money laundering, child porn


Oh yeah... sounds perfectly orchestrated by Jews ... why didn't we realize that? Jews forced Putin to invade Ukraine. Sounds sane.

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Did I fucking say that? Western Jews HATE Putin.

Learn to read and then try responding again.

See, this is when I get annoyed, when I'm presented with stupid people making stupid remarks.
 

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You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you hard across the nut sack.
Sure, the problem you face is that just about everything you've been taught and lead to believe is a lie and it clearly eats you up inside, so rather than face upto reality, you instead prefer to cling onto your far left Cultural Marxist rhetoric and rail against those of us who call you out on your nonsense.
 

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Turn that frown upside down mister
Thank yer lucky fucks yer not me and have to see and hear the heartbreaking things im set to deal with today
 

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Just buy some hair dye ya cheapskate, and stop getting a complex, everyone goes grey as they get older.

Ok jokes aside.... sorry you're having a bad time at the minute, I'm in a similar boat to be honest, but life goes on, chin up and all that old boi.

Nice bow BTW.
 
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