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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dove" data-source="post: 387785" data-attributes="member: 535">Yeah, its glaringly obvious to the point where I dont think they dont see it.  I think they KNOW they are being dishonest.  But they really have been convinced or convinced themselves that the goal is so nessesary and good that anything done to reach that goal is justified.  I guess they dont realize that's exactly how people who were used by authoritarian regimes always thought.  I saw a quote that said there is no excuse for them to repeat history at this point when we have so many examples to learn from. It's like failing an open book test.  It really doesn't have to be this way :/</blockquote>