National Park Workers Who Said They Were Illegally Fired Win Lawsuit Against Trump Admin

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Like I was saying,....bury that bitch in lawsuits and keep him busy

From the Latin Times - Story by Morgan Music

A federal judge in San Francisco has
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the Trump administration in a lawsuit brought by thousands of probationary federal workers, including an Alaska couple working for the
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The lawsuit, filed by unions and civic organizations, accused the administration of firing tens of thousands of
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under false pretenses, claiming they were underperforming. The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) had directed agencies to carry out the firings, but U.S. District Judge William Alsup determined that these mass terminations were not based on actual performance reviews and exceeded the government's authority.

Eileen and James Kramer, who were terminated from their jobs at Lake Clark National Park in Alaska after a decade,
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NPR they were blindsided by the decision. "We've given so much to this place...and that's being taken away dishonestly," Eileen said. " I got a regional award specifically in efficiency last year, so it's a little bit ironic to me that I'm being terminated as part of this government efficiency initiative."

"It's more than just losing our job," James said, noting that they may have to move out of their home, which is owned by the Park Service. "We're losing our life."

The Trump administration has
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that the mass layoff of probationary employees is an efficient way to reduce the federal workforce, because "agencies are not required to hire every probationary employee with 'satisfactory' performance."

Judge Alsup disagreed that the firings were based on performance. "It is unlikely, if not impossible, that the agencies themselves had the time to conduct actual performance reviews of the thousands terminated in such a short span of time," Alsup said in his ruling.

The decision leaves open the possibility that thousands of fired workers could be reinstated, though the exact impact remains uncertain.

"This was an attempt to circumvent protections for federal workers," Michelle Bercovici, a lawyer representing the workers, said, adding that agencies must follow a proper reduction-in-force process if they intend to carry out mass layoffs. "It's a fair, clearly laid-out process."

The court decision has left the terminated employees with "somewhat lighter hearts," as they wait to hear if their jobs will be reinstated.
 
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I had an argument with Gurk about this very thing. He refused to read it, just kept chanting "betters" 'you dont care about fraud waste and corruption" blahblahbla to fucking blah.

Do it by the letter of the law (which often means you can't do it) or shut the fuck up and sit down.

After Friday there is a different sentiment globally about the "good old USA".

I'm still waiting for the news on the EU talks, I have a feeling Trump isn't going to like getting kicked out of NATO, as opposed to blackmailing all of Europe over it. Canada is already sidelining him from the upcoming G7 talks, as in he's been disinvited.

They done stepped in some deep shit Friday, live for the world to see.
 

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I had an argument with Gurk about this very thing. He refused to read it, just kept chanting "betters" 'you dont care about fraud waste and corruption" blahblahbla to fucking blah.

Do it by the letter of the law (which often means you can't do it) or shut the fuck up and sit down.

After Friday there is a different sentiment globally about the "good old USA".

I'm still waiting for the news on the EU talks, I have a feeling Trump isn't going to like getting kicked out of NATO, as opposed to blackmailing all of Europe over it. Canada is already sidelining him from the upcoming G7 talks, as in he's been disinvited.

They done stepped in some deep shit Friday, live for the world to see.
Don’t look at the dipstick behind the curtain!
 

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"It's more than just losing our job," James said, noting that they may have to move out of their home, which is owned by the Park Service. "We're losing our life."

It sounds like they are on a Permanent Paid Vacation.

And you dopey fucks feel sorry for them....
 
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It sounds like they are on a Permanent Paid Vacation.

And you dopey fucks feel sorry for them....
I have more than one friend that works for the NPS that was "laid off" illegally.

It's currently ruining their lives while it gets sorted out.

Just mind your fucking business on shit you know nothing about. Butting into conversation to troll nonsense is all you're doing.
 

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I had an argument with Gurk about this very thing. He refused to read it, just kept chanting "betters" 'you dont care about fraud waste and corruption" blahblahbla to fucking blah.
Simple question, jack. Are "federal workers" somehow more special than any other kind of workers?

Should not a single one of them ever lose their jobs?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for some park employees because the country can't afford them anymore?

I see a lot of hand-wring and whining from you people who keep defending all the waste and claim that the American People somehow do not have the right to question where their tax money is going.

So answer my question, jack. Are "federal workers" more special and worthy of our sympathy and support than the millions of private sector "workers" who get laid off from their jobs all the time?
 

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It sounds like they are on a Permanent Paid Vacation.

And you dopey fucks feel sorry for them....
^Ladies And Gentlemen, that is how you open mouth and insert foot.


"Trump is giving lifetime paychecks to people he has fired" Blithering Bald Buffoon
 

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Simple question, jack. Are "federal workers" somehow more special than any other kind of workers?

Jack says "Yes!"

Should not a single one of them ever lose their jobs?

Jack says "No!"

Am I supposed to feel sorry for some park employees because the country can't afford them anymore?

Jack says "Yes!"

I see a lot of hand-wring and whining from you people who keep defending all the waste and claim that the American People somehow do not have the right to question where their tax money is going.

Jack says "I am a Virtue Signalling Buffoon!!!!"

So answer my question, jack. Are "federal workers" more special and worthy of our sympathy and support than the millions of private sector "workers" who get laid off from their jobs all the time?

Jacks says "Everyone should have a cushy job and lots of money!!! Weeee!!!!"
 

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I have more than one friend that works for the NPS that was "laid off" illegally.

It's currently ruining their lives while it gets sorted out.

Just mind your fucking business on shit you know nothing about. Butting into conversation to troll nonsense is all you're doing.
 
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Simple question, jack. Are "federal workers" somehow more special than any other kind of workers?
Yes

Should not a single one of them ever lose their jobs?
If they're slacking off or abusing their positions, certainly. That isn't what's happening here however.

Am I supposed to feel sorry for some park employees because the country can't afford them anymore?
Why can't the country "afford them any more"?

I see a lot of hand-wring and whining from you people who keep defending all the waste and claim that the American People somehow do not have the right to question where their tax money is going.

So answer my question, jack. Are "federal workers" more special and worthy of our sympathy and support than the millions of private sector "workers" who get laid off from their jobs all the time?
No you don't see anything of the kind. Illegal firings are illegal firings.

The "Government" needs to follow their own rules that they made when firing workers. This isn't about waste, it's an illegal attempt to replace long standing civil servants that are independent politicallu with cronies.

If these were legal firings it would be a different story. And it sounds like you're the one doing the whining.
 

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Yes


If they're slacking off or abusing their positions, certainly. That isn't what's happening here however.


Why can't the country "afford them any more"?


No you don't see anything of the kind. Illegal firings are illegal firings.

The "Government" needs to follow their own rules that they made when firing workers. This isn't about waste, it's an illegal attempt to replace long standing civil servants that are independent politicallu with cronies.

If these were legal firings it would be a different story. And it sounds like you're the one doing the whining.
Please explain why you think "federal workers" are more equal than private sector workers?

How do you know none of them laid off were not slacking or abusing their positions?

The country can no afford over 2 million "federal workers" because we're $31 Trillion dollars in debt and in just a year or two the yearly bill for just the interest on that $31 Trillion will exceed the cost of Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security combined.

That's no troll, jack. It's absolute fact.

You're a businessman, jack. How long would you stay in business if you spent more every year than you brought in? Not long would be my guess. It's the same with countries. For my whole life and yours our country has spent more every year than its brought in. This spending model is simply unsustainable and if it doesn't get fixed, our nation will go bankrupt.

Just an hour or so ago in another thread you were worrying about what foreigners think ... what do you think will happen to those foreign countries who's opinions you care so much about if the US goes bankrupt?

As to whether these layoffs are "legal" will be adjudicated in the Courts.
 
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I'm a fiscal conservative. I agree that we're out of control with our spending. You are ignoring the tax breaks for the wealthy which is the major reason we're experiencing this debt. If everyone paid what they actually owed (clinton era) we'd again have the biggest economic expansion since he was in office. Remember when Clinton ran things?

I certainly do. If you wanted to make a business all you had to do was make a plan and you got funded. That's how I created Vita-Flex Nutrition.

Yes there was abuse, and grift. Just not on the scale we're seeing at the moment.

We all just watched Trump fuck up an 8 billion dollar deal live on TV. Not the kind of leadership I was expecting to be honest. More like a BF shoutbox "chat".

And that's been my point all along. These first firings were illegal.
 

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I too am disappointed in The Mainstream Libtard Press gushing affectionately over Trump.

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Even the Clinton News Network is giving generally 'fair and balanced' coverage of Donnie Demento.
 

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I'm a fiscal conservative. I agree that we're out of control with our spending. You are ignoring the tax breaks for the wealthy which is the major reason we're experiencing this debt. If everyone paid what they actually owed (clinton era) we'd again have the biggest economic expansion since he was in office. Remember when Clinton ran things?

I certainly do. If you wanted to make a business all you had to do was make a plan and you got funded. That's how I created Vita-Flex Nutrition.

Yes there was abuse, and grift. Just not on the scale we're seeing at the moment.

We all just watched Trump fuck up an 8 billion dollar deal live on TV. Not the kind of leadership I was expecting to be honest. More like a BF shoutbox "chat".

And that's been my point all along. These first firings were illegal.
"You are ignoring the tax breaks for the wealthy which is the major reason we're experiencing this debt."

Um, no. You could tax the wealthiest Americans at 100% and it wouldn't make a dent in the deficit much less the debt. This is similar to the Leftist lie that "tax cuts have to be paid for." Do you realize how stupid that is to say? If your business experienced a 10% decline in revenue from one year to the next, would you expect someone else to pay you for your revenue decline?

We are experiencing this debt BECAUSE WE SPEND MORE THAN WE BRING IN. It's really that simple. And one way to stop spending less is to lay off federal employees we simply cannot afford anymore.

And I notice that your cut n paste doesn't mention exactly what Eileen and James Kramer's jobs were at that park in Alaska. I wonder why that detail was left out of the story?
 

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The U.S. National Park Service is part of the Executive branch. Hiring and firing within the Executive branch is under the legal purview of... the Executive branch.
Put it this way -- a Federal judge can't establish a Federal agency within the Executive branch. A Federal judge can't mandate the hiring of employees for an existing Federal agency. Those things are not within his purview.

Neither is blocking the firing of such employees.