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<blockquote data-quote="The Prowler" data-source="post: 994776" data-attributes="member: 1301">This is the Charlottesville stuff in all of that:&quot;<a href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/13/16140504/trump-charlottesville-white-supremacists" target="_blank">pandering to white supremacists</a> after they held a violent rally in Charlottesville&quot;Saying something that might have made white supremacists happy does not show that a person is racist.If I were to say &quot;The white sheet costume that the KKK chose is very fashionable.&quot; it might make them happy.&nbsp; It does not mean I share their beliefs.Pandering is such a weak claim; whether or not Trump was pandering is entirely subjective and is unprovable.&nbsp; Further to that, pandering does not prove racism.So we have to dismiss that portion of your post.&quot;Trump <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/" target="_blank">repeatedly said</a> that “many sides” and “both sides” were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counterprotesters who stood against racism.&quot;Counter protesters were responsible for some of the violence.&nbsp; Stating that fact alone does not imply any kind of &quot;moral equivalency&quot;.&quot;He also said that there were “some very fine people” among the white supremacists.&quot;That is an outright lie.&nbsp; Why do you need outright lies to support your claim?&quot;All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/white-nationalist-leader-richard-spencer-thanks-trump-for-defending-the-truth-in-charlottesville/article/2631630" target="_blank">praising</a> Trump for “defending the truth.”&quot;Trump cannot control how people take his words.&nbsp; If some people who happen to be racist like what he said, that obviously does not prove that Trump is racist.This is basic logic.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Prowler, post: 994776, member: 1301"] This is the Charlottesville stuff in all of that: [I]"[URL='https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/13/16140504/trump-charlottesville-white-supremacists']pandering to white supremacists[/URL] after they held a violent rally in Charlottesville"[/I] Saying something that might have made white supremacists happy does not show that a person is racist. If I were to say [I]"The white sheet costume that the KKK chose is very fashionable."[/I] it might make them happy. It does not mean I share their beliefs. [I]Pandering[/I] is such a weak claim; whether or not Trump was pandering is entirely subjective and is unprovable. Further to that, pandering does not prove racism. So we have to dismiss that portion of your post. [I]"Trump [URL='https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/']repeatedly said[/URL] that “many sides” and “both sides” were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counterprotesters who stood against racism." [/I] Counter protesters [I][B]were [/B][/I]responsible for [I][B]some [/B][/I]of the violence. Stating that fact alone does not imply any kind of [I]"moral equivalency"[/I]. [I]"He also said that there were “some very fine people” among the white supremacists."[/I] That is an outright lie. [SIZE=5]Why do you need outright lies to support your claim?[/SIZE] [I]"All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer [URL='http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/white-nationalist-leader-richard-spencer-thanks-trump-for-defending-the-truth-in-charlottesville/article/2631630']praising[/URL] Trump for “defending the truth.”"[/I] Trump cannot control how people take his words. If some people who happen to be racist like what he said, that obviously does not prove that Trump is racist. This is basic logic. [/QUOTE]

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