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<blockquote data-quote="Lily" data-source="post: 950879" data-attributes="member: 1283"><p>I agree with everything you've said. I see the difference between what you believe, that the US is a republic with democratic tendencies, and [USER=1547]@Garraty_47[/USER]'s position is that he doesn't believe it is now, or has ever been. He sees the US as a fascist state. I would say that in our darkest hours, we have those fascistic tendencies, though we aren't a fascist country by any means...though we're clearly headed in that way. Populism, all over the globe, is leading us in that direction.</p><p></p><p>I am actually empathetic to both points of view. I see your point of view about the US being a "democracy". I was married to man who was an exile from <strong>an actual</strong> fascist state, Chile. A government that the US clearly undermined before eventually implementing an overthrow for our own capitalist interests. He, his father, and his eldest sister were all taken, on different days by the Carabineros, police state and two were hauled off to Santiago from Valparaiso, their home. All three were tortured, during torture they discovered that his eldest sister was pregnant and was released. It was sheer luck on her part really, because these animals didn't and don't care about human life or dignity. My ex-husband was caught, as he'd been in hiding from the military, visiting his mother on her birthday. He was dragged away after they busted into the house in front of his mother, sister and nephew. He had a German Shepherd that the family had to put in another room to keep him from being shot by the COPS, as the dog was aggressively trying to protect him. Fascists don't care about families, they don't care about anything. </p><p></p><p>My ex husband and his father were not spared. They were horribly tortured, beatings, electric torture like most Americans have only experienced in movies like Lethal Weapon where Mel Gibson is tortured while hanging from a rope. Other types of torture involve hanging from a ceiling, arms pulled back toward the ceiling carrying all of your body weight on the joints of your shoulders...probably other things neither dared to share. They were politically active, my FIL and SIL being Socialists, my ex-husband being involved in the MIR...Movimiento Izquierdista Revolucionario. He was very young, maybe 19-20 years old. That movement was calling for the arming of Chileans to fight back against the right-wing. It promoted the use of violence against the enemies of the Chilean UP...United Party, the coalition that VOTED in Socialist Salvador Allende. As you probably know, the US was undermining the democratically elected President and the people of Chile. Their political involvement made them targets.</p><p></p><p>I know that the US has almost always sided with the wrong side in most conflicts in other lands. I do believe, most conflicts we've gotten into have been started by the GOP. Vietnam was started by<strong> Eisenhower </strong>siding with the French in their conflict with their colonial interests in Vietnam. <strong>Einsenhower</strong> also orchestrated the overthrow of Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954. We literally occupied Nicaragua starting in 1912, again another Republican, Taft. For fucking bananas and a possible canal in Nicaragua. Conflict with Cuba - <strong>Eisenhower</strong>. Chile in 1973...<strong>Nixon</strong>...the GOP again. Grenada (embarrassing conflict really) <strong>Reagan</strong>. The Reagan era also saw us supporting military dictator Somoza in Nicaragua, that we propped for our own interests until the Nicaraguan people, via the Sandinistas, overthrew him in 1979. El Salvador was similar, dictators running the government backed by US. Again, <strong>Reagan</strong> armed the dictators and fascists. This was in the 80s. By God, we were going to overthrow the revolutions that flouted American power. Never asking what the unintended consequences were going to be. Can anyone address the masses of people that we decry as murdering illegal immigrants when were the ones that created the conditions that bring them to our border now? We fucked up their countries real good, for corporate interests and we Americans, who paid for it, blame the victims of our military interventions? How about the Bush era? Iraq I, Iraq II, Afghanistan...all what? REPUBLICAN started wars. </p><p></p><p> So when I hear [USER=1547]@Garraty_47[/USER], or anyone, say they're the same, NO, they are not. It was Democrats who stopped Reagan when the Iran-Contra illegal activities were blown open. He got to play dementia Ronnie after that and got away with it cold.</p><p></p><p>The GOP is categorically WORSE, I don't care what anyone says. Are the Democrats bought by the corporate and donor class? Yes. They are culpable and not innocent, but they are not the ones who start wars. And yes, the Ukraine war was started by that other fascist, Putin. And for you Putin shills, he's a fascist - Nationalist, imperialist, homophobic, racist and misogynistic fuck. But that's your kind of guy, wing nuts.</p><p></p><p> However, calling our domestic situation "fascist" is inaccurate. As you've said, we wouldn't be here posting, never mind some of us making podcasts on youtube if it were the case.</p><p></p><p>However, for the first time in modern American history, we are at a precipice. Trump and his ilk are willing to bring that fascism abroad, home. If you're not convinced by Trump's openly fascist tendencies just because he's a clown seriously, you're an idiot. Pinochet was a fucking clown, but he was a savage clown. Just because a man is a joke at a personal level, it doesn't mean he can't be himself a monster or be used by monsters.</p><p></p><p>If Trump wins this election, we are truly fucked here at home...but they will also continue to wreak havoc abroad. For better or worse, Trump was surrounded by "normal" Republicans in his first administration. This second time around, there will be no constraints, the SCOTUS removed the guard rails. We will all suffer for it.</p><p></p><p>Do not kids yourselves, it can always be worse.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lily, post: 950879, member: 1283"] I agree with everything you've said. I see the difference between what you believe, that the US is a republic with democratic tendencies, and [USER=1547]@Garraty_47[/USER]'s position is that he doesn't believe it is now, or has ever been. He sees the US as a fascist state. I would say that in our darkest hours, we have those fascistic tendencies, though we aren't a fascist country by any means...though we're clearly headed in that way. Populism, all over the globe, is leading us in that direction. I am actually empathetic to both points of view. I see your point of view about the US being a "democracy". I was married to man who was an exile from [B]an actual[/B] fascist state, Chile. A government that the US clearly undermined before eventually implementing an overthrow for our own capitalist interests. He, his father, and his eldest sister were all taken, on different days by the Carabineros, police state and two were hauled off to Santiago from Valparaiso, their home. All three were tortured, during torture they discovered that his eldest sister was pregnant and was released. It was sheer luck on her part really, because these animals didn't and don't care about human life or dignity. My ex-husband was caught, as he'd been in hiding from the military, visiting his mother on her birthday. He was dragged away after they busted into the house in front of his mother, sister and nephew. He had a German Shepherd that the family had to put in another room to keep him from being shot by the COPS, as the dog was aggressively trying to protect him. Fascists don't care about families, they don't care about anything. My ex husband and his father were not spared. They were horribly tortured, beatings, electric torture like most Americans have only experienced in movies like Lethal Weapon where Mel Gibson is tortured while hanging from a rope. Other types of torture involve hanging from a ceiling, arms pulled back toward the ceiling carrying all of your body weight on the joints of your shoulders...probably other things neither dared to share. They were politically active, my FIL and SIL being Socialists, my ex-husband being involved in the MIR...Movimiento Izquierdista Revolucionario. He was very young, maybe 19-20 years old. That movement was calling for the arming of Chileans to fight back against the right-wing. It promoted the use of violence against the enemies of the Chilean UP...United Party, the coalition that VOTED in Socialist Salvador Allende. As you probably know, the US was undermining the democratically elected President and the people of Chile. Their political involvement made them targets. I know that the US has almost always sided with the wrong side in most conflicts in other lands. I do believe, most conflicts we've gotten into have been started by the GOP. Vietnam was started by[B] Eisenhower [/B]siding with the French in their conflict with their colonial interests in Vietnam. [B]Einsenhower[/B] also orchestrated the overthrow of Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954. We literally occupied Nicaragua starting in 1912, again another Republican, Taft. For fucking bananas and a possible canal in Nicaragua. Conflict with Cuba - [B]Eisenhower[/B]. Chile in 1973...[B]Nixon[/B]...the GOP again. Grenada (embarrassing conflict really) [B]Reagan[/B]. The Reagan era also saw us supporting military dictator Somoza in Nicaragua, that we propped for our own interests until the Nicaraguan people, via the Sandinistas, overthrew him in 1979. El Salvador was similar, dictators running the government backed by US. Again, [B]Reagan[/B] armed the dictators and fascists. This was in the 80s. By God, we were going to overthrow the revolutions that flouted American power. Never asking what the unintended consequences were going to be. Can anyone address the masses of people that we decry as murdering illegal immigrants when were the ones that created the conditions that bring them to our border now? We fucked up their countries real good, for corporate interests and we Americans, who paid for it, blame the victims of our military interventions? How about the Bush era? Iraq I, Iraq II, Afghanistan...all what? REPUBLICAN started wars. So when I hear [USER=1547]@Garraty_47[/USER], or anyone, say they're the same, NO, they are not. It was Democrats who stopped Reagan when the Iran-Contra illegal activities were blown open. He got to play dementia Ronnie after that and got away with it cold. The GOP is categorically WORSE, I don't care what anyone says. Are the Democrats bought by the corporate and donor class? Yes. They are culpable and not innocent, but they are not the ones who start wars. And yes, the Ukraine war was started by that other fascist, Putin. And for you Putin shills, he's a fascist - Nationalist, imperialist, homophobic, racist and misogynistic fuck. But that's your kind of guy, wing nuts. However, calling our domestic situation "fascist" is inaccurate. As you've said, we wouldn't be here posting, never mind some of us making podcasts on youtube if it were the case. However, for the first time in modern American history, we are at a precipice. Trump and his ilk are willing to bring that fascism abroad, home. If you're not convinced by Trump's openly fascist tendencies just because he's a clown seriously, you're an idiot. Pinochet was a fucking clown, but he was a savage clown. Just because a man is a joke at a personal level, it doesn't mean he can't be himself a monster or be used by monsters. If Trump wins this election, we are truly fucked here at home...but they will also continue to wreak havoc abroad. For better or worse, Trump was surrounded by "normal" Republicans in his first administration. This second time around, there will be no constraints, the SCOTUS removed the guard rails. We will all suffer for it. Do not kids yourselves, it can always be worse. [/QUOTE]
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