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<blockquote data-quote="Dove" data-source="post: 748461" data-attributes="member: 535">I'm not sure we are saying the same thing. I do believe God is soveriegn and nothing can exist without Him. Or live.&nbsp;But also I'm not saying that anything here can save us. But sometimes God does things for His own purpose and glory....whether its allowing disaster or letting someone come back from death.&nbsp;The natural disasters that kill people are terrible...right now in my temporal view where we view death as a tragedy. The bible says death has no sting and its defeated.&nbsp; In Christ we live forever.&nbsp;So yeah no nothing here in the physical realm is going to save anyone. God does work through nature and the body of Christ though.&nbsp;I love how the movie Passion of the Christ made people turn themselves for murders they got away with.God moves and works to reconcile His flock to Himself. But we are still gonna have suffering and a physical death.&nbsp; God Himself in flesh did it harder than anyone.&nbsp;We dont really know anything about the nature of the universe really. It's a very vast existence.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dove, post: 748461, member: 535"] I'm not sure we are saying the same thing. I do believe God is soveriegn and nothing can exist without Him. Or live. But also I'm not saying that anything here can save us. But sometimes God does things for His own purpose and glory....whether its allowing disaster or letting someone come back from death. The natural disasters that kill people are terrible...right now in my temporal view where we view death as a tragedy. The bible says death has no sting and its defeated. In Christ we live forever. So yeah no nothing here in the physical realm is going to save anyone. God does work through nature and the body of Christ though. I love how the movie Passion of the Christ made people turn themselves for murders they got away with. God moves and works to reconcile His flock to Himself. But we are still gonna have suffering and a physical death. God Himself in flesh did it harder than anyone. We dont really know anything about the nature of the universe really. It's a very vast existence. [/QUOTE]

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