'Profoundly erroneous': Trump admin says Biden-appointed judge's order requiring 'immediate outlay' of nearly $2 billion is 'without legal basis'

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Here's some bullshit that's going to fuck the Trump admin up big time. This is the oldest, most tired trick in the book. Fist they delay delay delay, and then when caught they say they wouldn't possibly have the time to complete it by the deadline. Read on...

The
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administration is asking a federal appeals court to block a directive from a lower court ordering the government to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid funds by midnight on Wednesday.

The Wednesday morning filing with the U.S. Circuit Court in
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, came less than a day after U.S. District Judge Amir H. Ali issued an
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prohibiting the administration from implementing its across-the-board freeze on such payments.

The coalition of aid groups that filed the lawsuit last month presented evidence that U.S. State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) had repeatedly failed to abide by the district court’s underlying order during an emergency hearing Tuesday morning.

At one point during the proceedings, Ali lost patience with the government’s attorney as the court requested details regarding why the temporary restraining order was being flouted by the administration.

A frustrated Ali concluded the hearing with a series of onerous directions to enforce compliance with the temporary restraining order unfreezing the funds for contract payments on work completed before Feb. 13, 2025.

“I don’t know why I can’t get a straight answer from you,” the judge intoned, according to a
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by Politico journalist Kyle Cheney. “Are you aware of an unfreezing of the disbursement of funds for those contracts and agreements that were frozen before Feb. 13?”

The government lawyer replied: “I’m not in a position to answer that.”

That back-and-forth set the tone for the arguments between the U.S. Department of Justice and the nonprofit plaintiffs in the case.

“We’re now 12 days in,” the judge
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— referring to when the temporary restraining order was initially entered. “You can’t answer me whether any funds that you kind of acknowledged are covered by the court’s order have been unfrozen?”

The administration just hours after the hearing responded by asking the appeals court to issue a short-term administrative stay on Ali’s order as well as a stay pending appeal, asserting that it would be impossible for the government to abide by the directive within the allotted time frame.

“In this action under the Administrative Procedure Act, the district court has ordered the federal government to pay nearly $2 billion in taxpayer dollars within 36 hours, without regard to payment-integrity systems that would ensure that the monies claimed are properly owed, without regard to the federal government’s meritorious arguments to the contrary, and without so much as addressing the government’s sovereign-immunity defense,” the
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. “To be very clear: the government is committed to paying for work that was properly completed, so long as the claims are legitimate. What the government cannot do is pay arbitrarily determined expenses on a timeline of the district court’s choosing, so that a district court creates a payment plan at odds with the President’s obligations under Article II and bedrock principles of federal sovereign immunity.”

In Wednesday’s emergency motion, the administration claimed that even if the appeals court declines to halt Ali’s order, government leaders have already determined that the ordered payments “cannot be accomplished in the time allotted by the district court.”

The filing goes on to call the plaintiffs’ lawsuit a “(meritless) challenge” filled with “deeply flawed arguments” that somehow resulted in the court overstepping its jurisdiction and requiring “massive outlays of funds under thousands of instruments.”

“The district court’s order is incredibly intrusive and profoundly erroneous. It appears to contemplate the immediately outlay of nearly $2 billion,” the filing states. “The government has no practical mechanism to recover wrongfully disbursed funds that go out the door to entities that have complained that they are near insolvency. And the district court’s broad exercise of jurisdiction, resolving monetary claims beyond its proper authority and addressing the hypothetical claims of parties not before the court, was without legal basis. The district court’s order should be stayed pending appeal.”

The appeals court ordered the plaintiffs in the case to respond to the administration’s filing by 1 p.m. Wednesday.

This should be good.
 
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So the hearing went down about 1pm this afternoon.

These are seriously the most bullshit arguments for defying a court order 2 weeks ago that I've ever seen.

Contempt of the courts in this manner is not funny and the hammer should swing hard on this one.
 

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Still defending the waste corruption and fraud. What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?

And a lower court with an Obama appointed communist America-hating Democrat filthbag Judge can go fuck itself.

"The coalition of aid groups that filed the lawsuit last month presented evidence that U.S. State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) had repeatedly failed to abide by the district court’s underlying order during an emergency hearing Tuesday morning."

I want this "coalition of aid groups" to be investigated to see what connections they have to the corrupt USAid bureaucrat who signed off on their "contracts." There's a 90% probability that there is graft and kickbacks going on and I want these Democrat criminals prosecuted, convicted and thrown in prison.

The ONLY reason ANYONE can be opposed to stopping the abuse and waste uncovered by DOGE so far is because those opposing DOGE are benefiting from corruption.

There's no other reason anyone can come up with, is there?
 
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Still defending the waste corruption and fraud. What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?

And a lower court with an Obama appointed communist America-hating Democrat filthbag Judge can go fuck itself.

"The coalition of aid groups that filed the lawsuit last month presented evidence that U.S. State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) had repeatedly failed to abide by the district court’s underlying order during an emergency hearing Tuesday morning."

I want this "coalition of aid groups" to be investigated to see what connections they have to the corrupt USAid bureaucrat who signed off on their "contracts." There's a 90% probability that there is graft and kickbacks going on and I want these Democrat criminals prosecuted, convicted and thrown in prison.

The ONLY reason ANYONE can be opposed to stopping the abuse and waste uncovered by DOGE so far is because those opposing DOGE are benefiting from corruption.

There's no other reason anyone can come up with, is there?
Did Congress approve the funds or not?
 
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Yeah I know, but I want him to answer this very simple question.

Did they approve the funds already? That was a Republican House and Senate iirc?
 

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Congress approved $40 Billion to USAid, then USAid turns around and approves multi-million dollar contracts for Monkeypox seminars in Uganda.

Congress doesn't approve of fraudulent contracts full of graft and kickbacks to the friends and family of USAid corrupt bureaucrats.
 
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There's a procedure to take back money. Freezing appropriated funds ain't it.

He's not a king. he has to follow the rules just like everyone else.

He was elected remember?
 

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Lets stick with the facts

Did congress approve the funds?

Yes or no?
Once again jack makes me use my special "speaking slowly to a slightly autistic retarded child" voice.

Congress approved $40 Billion for the 2024 USAid budget. The question is not whether Congress allocated funds for that budget, the question is what USAid bureaucrats spend that money on with apparently no oversight whatsoever. Things like pervert operas in Peru and DEI initiatives in culturally and ethnically homogenous countries like Serbia, you know, things that are obviously grifty/grafty type kickback schemes that are enriching somebody at all of our expense.

I thought I've been clear on that, but sometimes you have to explain things again and again to slightly autistic retarded people.
 

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So the hearing went down about 1pm this afternoon.

These are seriously the most bullshit arguments for defying a court order 2 weeks ago that I've ever seen.

Contempt of the courts in this manner is not funny and the hammer should swing hard on this one.
Contempt of court is standard procedure of Commander Combover.
 
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Once again jack makes me use my special "speaking slowly to a slightly autistic retarded child" voice.

Congress approved $40 Billion for the 2024 USAid budget. The question is not whether Congress allocated funds for that budget, the question is what USAid bureaucrats spend that money on with apparently no oversight whatsoever. Things like pervert operas in Peru and DEI initiatives in culturally and ethnically homogenous countries like Serbia, you know, things that are obviously grifty/grafty type kickback schemes that are enriching somebody at all of our expense.

I thought I've been clear on that, but sometimes you have to explain things again and again to slightly autistic retarded people.
Uckfay Ooyay Eggieray.
 

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Once again jack makes me use my special "speaking slowly to a slightly autistic retarded child" voice.

Congress approved $40 Billion for the 2024 USAid budget. The question is not whether Congress allocated funds for that budget, the question is what USAid bureaucrats spend that money on with apparently no oversight whatsoever. Things like pervert operas in Peru and DEI initiatives in culturally and ethnically homogenous countries like Serbia, you know, things that are obviously grifty/grafty type kickback schemes that are enriching somebody at all of our expense.

I thought I've been clear on that, but sometimes you have to explain things again and again to slightly autistic retarded people.
Congress can approve the funds, but agencies within the Executive branch are controlled by the Executive branch. The funds might be freed up for USAID by the Legislature, but the Executive can decide whether USAID even exists or not.

And some pissant Fed judge has fuck-all to say about it.
 
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Congress can approve the funds, but agencies within the Executive branch are controlled by the Executive branch. The funds might be freed up for USAID by the Legislature, but the Executive can decide whether USAID even exists or not.

And some pissant Fed judge has fuck-all to say about it.
Once Congress approves the funds the executive branch has fuck all to say about it.
 

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Interesting quote from the above-linked article:

President Bill Clinton
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during its brief existence, with Congress restoring 39 appropriations. In
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, the Supreme Court struck down the line-item veto in a 6-3 decision. President Clinton had cancelled sections of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 and the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997.
 
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Yeah, you couldn't possibly have read that article in the short span between posts. POTUS has a power called Impoundment, which can take the form of either deferment or rescission.
Impoundment must be proven. He cant just wave his wand and proclaim impoundment. Doesn't work that way. If he wants to play at being President he's going to have to follow the rules, not make them up as he sees fit.

I already know this game. So does he.
 

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Impoundment must be proven. He cant just wave his wand and proclaim impoundment. Doesn't work that way. If he wants to play at being President he's going to have to follow the rules, not make them up as he sees fit.

I already know this game. So does he.
My point is that it's not a case of simply, "Well, he just can't, at all, ever, in any way."
 
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My point is that it's not a case of simply, "Well, he just can't, at all, ever, in any way."
It most certainly is, unless you know something the rest of us are missing? Once approved by Congress those are appropriated funds. That's the oversight, during the debate and voting.

That's why there's a separation of powers. Trump doesn't get to go back to the previous congress and say, "Im freezing what you did"

It doesn't work that way.