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Couldn't help thinking of you when reading this:

By his own words Orwell was democratic socialist.
This I add to his now many times posted 1944 letter.



“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”

— George Orwell
 
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Couldn't help thinking of you when reading this:

By his own words Orwell was democratic socialist.
This I add to his now many times posted 1944 letter.



“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”

— George Orwell

It's kind of like the MAGAt claim that Hitler was a socialist. They've got it all completely ass backwards. It's mind boggling.
 

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It's kind of like the MAGAt claim that Hitler was a socialist. They've got it all completely ass backwards. It's mind boggling.

It's a fact that most sci-fi authors of the past were socialists and communists.

Are you denying that Adolf Hitler was a socialist?
 

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Do you know what the word NAZI stands for?


Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Yeah, like I said, Hitler co-opted the word. Moron.

I know you are a complete tool and will deny the truth even when it smashes you across the face, but Here is a breakdown of the evidence:
  • Anti-Marxist and Anti-Communist: Hitler explicitly opposed and feared communism and Marxism, viewing them as a "Jewish conspiracy" aimed at destroying Germany. In fact, one of the primary goals of the Nazi party was to eradicate these ideologies.
  • Targeting the Left: Upon gaining power, Hitler's regime immediately targeted, imprisoned, and murdered socialists, communists, and trade unionists.
  • Purging Left-Wing Nazis: The more "socialist" faction of the Nazi party, led by figures like Ernst Röhm and Gregor Strasser, was purged by Hitler during the Night of the Long Knives in 1934.
  • Alliance with Capitalists: Despite early anti-capitalist rhetoric, Hitler and the Nazi party actively sought and received support from wealthy German industrialists and big business leaders who viewed the Nazis as a bulwark against communism.
  • Redefining "Socialism": Hitler redefined socialism to mean national unity and racial solidarity, rather than the collective ownership of the means of production. He stated in 1923 that his socialism did not "repudiate private property".
Conclusion:
Historians largely classify Nazism as a far-right, fascist ideology that used the term "socialist" primarily as a tool for propaganda.
 
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Conclusion:
Historians largely classify Nazism as a far-right, fascist ideology that used the term "socialist" primarily as a tool for propaganda.

Like I said, Leftist Filth HAVE to reach that conclusion because all the other mass murdering regimes of the 20th century were Leftists.

So, are you feeling better and getting out of the house now?
 
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I'll bet if we ask Duhv she will deny that Orwell was warning of the Trump Type.
Oh noooo, he was talking about Biden for sure though.

I must say I believe, or fear, that taking the world as a whole these things are on the increase. Hitler, no doubt, will soon disappear, but only at the expense of strengthening (a) Stalin, (b) the Anglo-American millionaires and © all sorts of petty fuhrers of the type of de Gaulle. All the national movements everywhere, even those that originate in resistance to German domination, seem to take non-democratic forms, to group themselves round some superhuman fuhrer (Hitler, Stalin, Salazar, Franco, Gandhi, De Valera are all varying examples) and to adopt the theory that the end justifies the means. Everywhere the world movement seems to be in the direction of centralised economies which can be made to ‘work’ in an economic sense but which are not democratically organised and which tend to establish a caste system. With this go the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the words and prophecies of some infallible fuhrer. Already history has in a sense ceased to exist, ie. there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted, and the exact sciences are endangered as soon as military necessity ceases to keep people up to the mark. Hitler can say that the Jews started the war, and if he survives that will become official history. He can’t say that two and two are five, because for the purposes of, say, ballistics they have to make four. But if the sort of world that I am afraid of arrives, a world of two or three great superstates which are unable to conquer one another, two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it. That, so far as I can see, is the direction in which we are actually moving, though, of course, the process is reversible.

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As to the comparative immunity of Britain and the USA. Whatever the pacifists etc. may say, we have not gone totalitarian yet and this is a very hopeful symptom. I believe very deeply, as I explained in my book The Lion and the Unicorn, in the English people and in their capacity to centralise their economy without destroying freedom in doing so. But one must remember that Britain and the USA haven’t been really tried, they haven’t known defeat or severe suffering, and there are some bad symptoms to balance the good ones. To begin with there is the general indifference to the decay of democracy. Do you realise, for instance, that no one in England under 26 now has a vote and that so far as one can see the great mass of people of that age don’t give a damn for this? Secondly there is the fact that the intellectuals are more totalitarian in outlook than the common people. On the whole the English intelligentsia have opposed Hitler, but only at the price of accepting Stalin. Most of them are perfectly ready for dictatorial methods, secret police, systematic falsification of history etc. so long as they feel that it is on ‘our’ side. Indeed the statement that we haven’t a Fascist movement in England largely means that the young, at this moment, look for their fuhrer elsewhere. One can’t be sure that that won’t change, nor can one be sure that the common people won’t think ten years hence as the intellectuals do now. I hope they won’t, I even trust they won’t, but if so it will be at the cost of a struggle. If one simply proclaims that all is for the best and doesn’t point to the sinister symptoms, one is merely helping to bring totalitarianism nearer.

You also ask, if I think the world tendency is towards Fascism, why do I support the war. It is a choice of evils—I fancy nearly every war is that. I know enough of British imperialism not to like it, but I would support it against Nazism or Japanese imperialism, as the lesser evil. Similarly I would support the USSR against Germany because I think the USSR cannot altogether escape its past and retains enough of the original ideas of the Revolution to make it a more hopeful phenomenon than Nazi Germany. I think, and have thought ever since the war began, in 1936 or thereabouts, that our cause is the better, but we have to keep on making it the better, which involves constant criticism.

Yours sincerely,
Geo. Orwell
 

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I'll bet if we ask Duhv she will deny that Orwell was warning of the Trump Type.
Oh noooo, he was talking about Biden for sure though.

I must say I believe, or fear, that taking the world as a whole these things are on the increase. Hitler, no doubt, will soon disappear, but only at the expense of strengthening (a) Stalin, (b) the Anglo-American millionaires and © all sorts of petty fuhrers of the type of de Gaulle. All the national movements everywhere, even those that originate in resistance to German domination, seem to take non-democratic forms, to group themselves round some superhuman fuhrer (Hitler, Stalin, Salazar, Franco, Gandhi, De Valera are all varying examples) and to adopt the theory that the end justifies the means. Everywhere the world movement seems to be in the direction of centralised economies which can be made to ‘work’ in an economic sense but which are not democratically organised and which tend to establish a caste system. With this go the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the words and prophecies of some infallible fuhrer. Already history has in a sense ceased to exist, ie. there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted, and the exact sciences are endangered as soon as military necessity ceases to keep people up to the mark. Hitler can say that the Jews started the war, and if he survives that will become official history. He can’t say that two and two are five, because for the purposes of, say, ballistics they have to make four. But if the sort of world that I am afraid of arrives, a world of two or three great superstates which are unable to conquer one another, two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it. That, so far as I can see, is the direction in which we are actually moving, though, of course, the process is reversible.

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“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”

— George Orwell

Come on, @Dove tell us all about how MAGA Orwell was. Tell us how he wasn't warning us about people like Trump.
Orwell opposed everything you and Trump stand for.

PS: Go blow a hobo. There's something you're good at. Maybe he'll pay you with his shits so you don't starve.
 
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Nothing authoritarian about the Trump/ICE actions in our streets.
.Oh nooooo. Orwell would totally approve.
Look at the filthy conservative fascist Trump stormroopers: (He was armed....with a camera)
Come on @Dove, defend this authoritarian shit Trump is doing.

 

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“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”

— George Orwell

Come on, @Dove tell us all about how MAGA Orwell was. Tell us how he wasn't warning us about people like Trump.
Orwell opposed everything you and Trump stand for.

PS: Go blow a hobo. There's something you're good at. Maybe he'll pay you with his shits so you don't starve.
Orwell was a Leftist piece of garbage filth, just as all Leftists are garbage filth.
 

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Nothing authoritarian about the Trump/ICE actions in our streets.
.Oh nooooo. Orwell would totally approve.
Look at the filthy conservative fascist Trump stormroopers: (He was armed....with a camera)
Come on @Dove, defend this authoritarian shit Trump is doing.


I'll defend it: ICE good, Leftist Scum bad.

Why do you hate America and defend illegal alien criminal child rapers?
 
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Lotte Skoring

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and defend illegal alien criminal child rapers?
No one is doing that, moron. This isn't about illegal immigration anymore. No one here has written more about the scourge of illegal labor. What the protests are about is the methods being used. What you are seeing with Trump/ICE today is shades of Hitler's brown shirts then SS, and Stalinist Russia.
Wake the fuck up mutherfucker. Quit eating the Ministry of Truth bullshit like it was filet mignon.
 

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So you love dictatorship, ayyy Ragtard. That's what Orwell spoke out against, whether Hitler of Stalin....
or as he would have Trump. Why do you hate democracy, Ragtard? Why do you hate America?
Democratic Socialism isn't "democracy." It's Marxist Collectivism which is the antithesis of Liberty. Socialism is an evil and diabolical ideology that is run by psychotic power whores and depends upon the weak and stupid for support.

Why are you weak and stupid?