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Why are there 2 people on the image NOT wearing a mask and one doing it wrong? :SadFace:
Paper masks dont stop a virus, moron. Its called, science.
Stop spreading lies. Start reading and try to understand the words. Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.
Oh, "real scientists" developed paper masks that stop virus', ehh? Cool story bro! I once stopped a swarm of mosquitos with a chain link fence. I used "science"! PWN3D!
 

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Why are there 2 people on the image NOT wearing a mask and one doing it wrong? :SadFace:
Paper masks dont stop a virus, moron. Its called, science.
Stop spreading lies. Start reading and try to understand the words. Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.
Oh, "real scientists" developed paper masks that stop virus', ehh? Cool story bro! I once stopped a swarm of mosquitos with a chain link fence. I used "science"! PWN3D!


Are you also opposed to the Covid-19 vaccine?
 

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Why are there 2 people on the image NOT wearing a mask and one doing it wrong? :SadFace:
Paper masks dont stop a virus, moron. Its called, science.
Stop spreading lies. Start reading and try to understand the words. Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.
Oh, "real scientists" developed paper masks that stop virus', ehh? Cool story bro! I once stopped a swarm of mosquitos with a chain link fence. I used "science"! PWN3D!
I have been thinking of doing a dumb fuck troll, so I have been reading your posts. You've been very helpful, thanks.
 

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Are you also opposed to the Covid-19 vaccine?
Not necessarilly. What I'm opposed to is the lack of information regarding how long it lasts. I hear the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is a more traditional vaccine so I plan to get that if possible.
 

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I have been thinking of doing a dumb fuck troll, so I have been reading your posts. You've been very helpful, thanks.
LOL! ^^ this tard cannot explain how paper masks with pores and gaps galore stop a virus but the libs are on board so he follows blindly and without any rational thought process! :Confused:
 

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Are you also opposed to the Covid-19 vaccine?
Not necessarilly. What I'm opposed to is the lack of information regarding how long it lasts. I hear the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is a more traditional vaccine so I plan to get that if possible.

I think you shouldn't go by what you hear and consult your physician and/or local health department. It might also be a good idea to take the one that's first available to you. It is possible, maybe even probable, that Covid-19 will be around for time to come and you will need to be vaccinated multiple times as the different strains of it make the rounds.

In that sense, it may be like influenza.
 

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I have been thinking of doing a dumb fuck troll, so I have been reading your posts. You've been very helpful, thanks.
LOL! ^^ this tard cannot explain how paper masks with pores and gaps galore stop a virus but the libs are on board so he follows blindly and without any rational thought process! :Confused:

What kind of paper masks are you talking about? An N95 is a good "paper" mask. Additionally, there is something a lot of people aren't thinking through about masks. In conjunction with not touching your face, washing hands thoroughly and often, and social distancing, individuals will reduce their risk of becoming infected. An all or nothing approach only increases the risk of becoming infected. How you may ask? If you think it's inevitable that you will be infected, your behavior will ensure that you do. You won't do the things that reduce your risk. There are no guarantees of avoiding covid unless you completely avoid contact with other human beings, but who among us wants to do that?
 
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Are you also opposed to the Covid-19 vaccine?
Not necessarilly. What I'm opposed to is the lack of information regarding how long it lasts. I hear the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is a more traditional vaccine so I plan to get that if possible.

I think you shouldn't go by what you hear and consult your physician and/or local health department. It might also be a good idea to take the one that's first available to you. It is possible, maybe even probable, that Covid-19 will be around for time to come and you will need to be vaccinated multiple times as the different strains of it make the rounds.

In that sense, it may be like influenza.
I think its highly likely that people will need vaccinated 2 or more times per year which means 4 vaccinations per year because the doses are spread apart for some variants.

I actually asked my physician about getting tested to see if I had the antibodies 4 months after I was sick and was told I probably wouldnt have any because immunity only lasts 2-3 months. I then very politely asked if that meant that vaccines would be needed every 2-3 months and was met with a look of shock and told that it was still way to early to know. That was back in July or August.
 

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Are you also opposed to the Covid-19 vaccine?
Not necessarilly. What I'm opposed to is the lack of information regarding how long it lasts. I hear the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is a more traditional vaccine so I plan to get that if possible.

I think you shouldn't go by what you hear and consult your physician and/or local health department. It might also be a good idea to take the one that's first available to you. It is possible, maybe even probable, that Covid-19 will be around for time to come and you will need to be vaccinated multiple times as the different strains of it make the rounds.

In that sense, it may be like influenza.
I think its highly likely that people will need vaccinated 2 or more times per year which means 4 vaccinations per year because the doses are spread apart for some variants.

I actually asked my physician about getting tested to see if I had the antibodies 4 months after I was sick and was told I probably wouldnt have any because immunity only lasts 2-3 months. I then very politely asked if that meant that vaccines would be needed every 2-3 months and was met with a look of shock and told that it was still way to early to know. That was back in July or August.

It is too early to tell. Remember these vaccines are being approved on emergency use authorizations because there's a pandemic. Otherwise, a lot more research would need to be done before authorizing their use. Research scientists are learning new things about this disease on a constant basis.

The public gets frustrated with constantly changing information. Well, that is just the way it is. Conditions change, new science comes to light, etc.

The only constant is the standard common sense measures, maintain social distance, wash up, use a mask (N95) is preferable, and shelter in place as required. Eventually, there will be a vaccine that will help us survive covid. For now, just sacrifice a little to save your own skin and those around you.
 

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What kind of paper masks are you talking about? An N95 is a good "paper" mask. Additionally, there is something a lot of people aren't thinking through about masks. In conjunction with not touching your face, washing hands thoroughly and often, and social distancing, individuals will reduce their risk of becoming infected. An all or nothing approach only increases the risk of becoming infected. How you may ask? If you think it's inevitable that you will be infected, your behavior will ensure that you do. You won't do the things that reduce your risk. There are no guarantees of avoiding covid unless you completely avoid contact with other human beings, but who among us wants to do that?

I think thats a very valid point!

Specifically, I'm talking about the blue and/or yellow pleated paper masks, and I'm also talking about the cloth masks. These do extremely little to capture a virus. So little in fact, that you may as well have nothing at all.

My son-in-law is a MD and works in an ER. He has told me that its common medical knowledge that paper type masks are for catching sputum and filtering the majority of bacteria in a surgical setting where you dont want to be compromising the sterile field. These paper masks are useful for a single use and for a very limited amount of time. They are in no way rated to stop or mitigate the spread of a virus. After their initial use, they are compromised and must be discarded. In the ER, he uses a full face respirator that seals to his face and he shaves daily to ensure a good seal. The replaceable filters get changed every shift.

My ex was a cardiac nurse at St Johns in Spfld, IL and the nurses knew there were some cardiac surgeons who had a high rate of MRSA infection AFTER surgery in the patients they treated. It was speculated that these doctors were carriers and possibly didnt practice proper proceedures to mitigate infection. It also could be that the paper surgical masks didnt work good enough at capturing bacteria. This was in the 90's

I also talked to my son-in-law about N-95 masks. He said these are many magnitudes better than the other masks but they still have a life that is measured in hours of use. Virus' still penetrate N95's although the vast majority get captured for the first several hours of use. After a certain amount of time, a virus will penetrate. The N-95's with the valves in them do NOTHING to stop or slow the spead of anything, they only protect the wearer! It is not possible to properly supply the public with proper N-95 masks due to both cost and ability to produce.

Looking at all of this in practice, the vast majority, 80% or more I would say, of people wearing masks wear paper or cloth which do nothing. Further, the vast majority re-use these for days, weeks, or more. I see maybe 15% wear the non valved N-95 type. I'm willing to bet that with the added cost, they get reused more than the paper ones. The valved N-95's seemed to be more prevalent months ago but not so much anymore. I'd say 5% or less of the people I see have those now.
 

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N95's need only last for hours of use. Most people aren't supposed to be out and about for hours. We should only go out to conduct important matters. This isn't the time to pretend everything is normal. If you go out for groceries, you needn't be out all day.

I have things delivered. It's worth it to me because for a few bucks I can even get my cat food delivered now.

Back to masks, something is better than nothing. People should stop focusing only on themselves and see this as a community problem. The sooner we do things for others, we help ourselves as well.
 

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N95's need only last for hours of use. Most people aren't supposed to be out and about for hours. We should only go out to conduct important matters. This isn't the time to pretend everything is normal. If you go out for groceries, you needn't be out all day.

I have things delivered. It's worth it to me because for a few bucks I can even get my cat food delivered now.

Back to masks, something is better than nothing. People should stop focusing only on themselves and see this as a community problem. The sooner we do things for others, we help ourselves as well.
We simply disagree on this. A standard paper mask doesnt protect other than to stop a direct projection of sputum from a cough. Even in that case, a large portion of the spray of sputum is directed around/through the mask gaps from a cough. IF everyone was issued valveless N95's and they were used ONCE and then discarded, THEN you would have protection.
 

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N95's need only last for hours of use. Most people aren't supposed to be out and about for hours. We should only go out to conduct important matters. This isn't the time to pretend everything is normal. If you go out for groceries, you needn't be out all day.

I have things delivered. It's worth it to me because for a few bucks I can even get my cat food delivered now.

Back to masks, something is better than nothing. People should stop focusing only on themselves and see this as a community problem. The sooner we do things for others, we help ourselves as well.
We simply disagree on this. A standard paper mask doesnt protect other than to stop a direct projection of sputum from a cough. Even in that case, a large portion of the spray of sputum is directed around/through the mask gaps from a cough. IF everyone was issued valveless N95's and they were used ONCE and then discarded, THEN you would have protection.

Yeah, we can disagree. It doesn't make you right though.
 

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N95's need only last for hours of use. Most people aren't supposed to be out and about for hours. We should only go out to conduct important matters. This isn't the time to pretend everything is normal. If you go out for groceries, you needn't be out all day.

I have things delivered. It's worth it to me because for a few bucks I can even get my cat food delivered now.

Back to masks, something is better than nothing. People should stop focusing only on themselves and see this as a community problem. The sooner we do things for others, we help ourselves as well.
We simply disagree on this. A standard paper mask doesnt protect other than to stop a direct projection of sputum from a cough. Even in that case, a large portion of the spray of sputum is directed around/through the mask gaps from a cough. IF everyone was issued valveless N95's and they were used ONCE and then discarded, THEN you would have protection.

Yeah, we can disagree. It doesn't make you right though.
No, but the part about paper masks didnt originate from me, it came from someone in the medical field.
 

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N95's need only last for hours of use. Most people aren't supposed to be out and about for hours. We should only go out to conduct important matters. This isn't the time to pretend everything is normal. If you go out for groceries, you needn't be out all day.

I have things delivered. It's worth it to me because for a few bucks I can even get my cat food delivered now.

Back to masks, something is better than nothing. People should stop focusing only on themselves and see this as a community problem. The sooner we do things for others, we help ourselves as well.
We simply disagree on this. A standard paper mask doesnt protect other than to stop a direct projection of sputum from a cough. Even in that case, a large portion of the spray of sputum is directed around/through the mask gaps from a cough. IF everyone was issued valveless N95's and they were used ONCE and then discarded, THEN you would have protection.

Yeah, we can disagree. It doesn't make you right though.
No, but the part about paper masks didnt originate from me, it came from someone in the medical field.

And I'm telling you from a public health perspective, that anything you can do to reduce your risk is better than doing nothing at all.

Does it guarantee that you won't get covid? Of course not. But the general public could be helped. A doctor, nurse or other clinical personnel are dealing with different set of circumstances. They're not at the grocery store or pharmacy for a short stint.

They are getting exposed for hours on end with people that we all KNOW are actually sick. It's why they are getting the vaccine first.

Comparing apples to oranges is useless.
 

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N95's need only last for hours of use. Most people aren't supposed to be out and about for hours. We should only go out to conduct important matters. This isn't the time to pretend everything is normal. If you go out for groceries, you needn't be out all day.

I have things delivered. It's worth it to me because for a few bucks I can even get my cat food delivered now.

Back to masks, something is better than nothing. People should stop focusing only on themselves and see this as a community problem. The sooner we do things for others, we help ourselves as well.
We simply disagree on this. A standard paper mask doesnt protect other than to stop a direct projection of sputum from a cough. Even in that case, a large portion of the spray of sputum is directed around/through the mask gaps from a cough. IF everyone was issued valveless N95's and they were used ONCE and then discarded, THEN you would have protection.

Yeah, we can disagree. It doesn't make you right though.
No, but the part about paper masks didnt originate from me, it came from someone in the medical field.

And I'm telling you from a public health perspective, that anything you can do to reduce your risk is better than doing nothing at all.

Does it guarantee that you won't get covid? Of course not. But the general public could be helped. A doctor, nurse or other clinical personnel are dealing with different set of circumstances. They're not at the grocery store or pharmacy for a short stint.

They are getting exposed for hours on end with people that we all KNOW are actually sick. It's why they are getting the vaccine first.

Comparing apples to oranges is useless.
I dont think kabuki theater does the public good. If N95's are the way toward mitigation, which I agree they are, lets just be honest about it. Giving people false hope by telling them paper and worse yet, cloth masks offer protection is morally wrong.
 

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Why are there 2 people on the image NOT wearing a mask and one doing it wrong? :SadFace:
Paper masks dont stop a virus, moron. Its called, science.
Stop spreading lies. Start reading and try to understand the words. Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.
Oh, "real scientists" developed paper masks that stop virus', ehh? Cool story bro! I once stopped a swarm of mosquitos with a chain link fence. I used "science"! PWN3D!
Stop twisting my words. I said: Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.

You're just a troll trying to fuck up decent threads. Do you understand that your trolling can cost human lives?
Nah, I'm just talking to someone who is too dumb, I can spend my time better
 

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Are you also opposed to the Covid-19 vaccine?
Not necessarilly. What I'm opposed to is the lack of information regarding how long it lasts. I hear the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is a more traditional vaccine so I plan to get that if possible.
I suggest you try drinking bleach. Some people on 4chan said it worked great!
 

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I have been thinking of doing a dumb fuck troll, so I have been reading your posts. You've been very helpful, thanks.
LOL! ^^ this tard cannot explain how paper masks with pores and gaps galore stop a virus but the libs are on board so he follows blindly and without any rational thought process! :Confused:
Reading AND understanding the meaning of the words is hard, I know.... Please give it a try BEFORE replying. It helps to compose a decent reply. You keep twisting people's words, just to troll or out of pure stupidity. I wonder what it is.
 

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Stop twisting my words. I said: Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.

You're just a troll trying to fuck up decent threads. Do you understand that your trolling can cost human lives?
Nah, I'm just talking to someone who is too dumb, I can spend my time better
What masks, bonehead? If you're saying paper and cloth masks make a difference, you're dead wrong. Science doesnt support that at all. In Illinois, we've had mask mandates for MONTHS and guess what, the infection rate went off the hook as soon as it started to cool off. Face it, there's ZERO scientific evidence supporting paper masks mitigating infection from COVID.
 

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Stop twisting my words. I said: Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.

You're just a troll trying to fuck up decent threads. Do you understand that your trolling can cost human lives?
Nah, I'm just talking to someone who is too dumb, I can spend my time better
What masks, bonehead? If you're saying paper and cloth masks make a difference, you're dead wrong. Science doesnt support that at all. In Illinois, we've had mask mandates for MONTHS and guess what, the infection rate went off the hook as soon as it started to cool off. Face it, there's ZERO scientific evidence supporting paper masks mitigating infection from COVID.
Stop blabbering. Replying to you is useless, I will try to control myself from the urge to teach you something
 

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Stop twisting my words. I said: Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.

You're just a troll trying to fuck up decent threads. Do you understand that your trolling can cost human lives?
Nah, I'm just talking to someone who is too dumb, I can spend my time better
What masks, bonehead? If you're saying paper and cloth masks make a difference, you're dead wrong. Science doesnt support that at all. In Illinois, we've had mask mandates for MONTHS and guess what, the infection rate went off the hook as soon as it started to cool off. Face it, there's ZERO scientific evidence supporting paper masks mitigating infection from COVID.
Stop blabbering. Replying to you is useless, I will try to control myself from the urge to teach you something
lemme know when you can prove that these lame assed paper masks magically filter virus', ass clown.
 

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Stop twisting my words. I said: Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.

You're just a troll trying to fuck up decent threads. Do you understand that your trolling can cost human lives?
Nah, I'm just talking to someone who is too dumb, I can spend my time better
What masks, bonehead? If you're saying paper and cloth masks make a difference, you're dead wrong. Science doesnt support that at all. In Illinois, we've had mask mandates for MONTHS and guess what, the infection rate went off the hook as soon as it started to cool off. Face it, there's ZERO scientific evidence supporting paper masks mitigating infection from COVID.
Stop blabbering. Replying to you is useless, I will try to control myself from the urge to teach you something
lemme know when you can prove that these lame assed paper masks magically filter virus', ass clown.
Fucktards gonna fucktard.
 

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Stop twisting my words. I said: Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.

You're just a troll trying to fuck up decent threads. Do you understand that your trolling can cost human lives?
Nah, I'm just talking to someone who is too dumb, I can spend my time better
What masks, bonehead? If you're saying paper and cloth masks make a difference, you're dead wrong. Science doesnt support that at all. In Illinois, we've had mask mandates for MONTHS and guess what, the infection rate went off the hook as soon as it started to cool off. Face it, there's ZERO scientific evidence supporting paper masks mitigating infection from COVID.
Stop blabbering. Replying to you is useless, I will try to control myself from the urge to teach you something
lemme know when you can prove that these lame assed paper masks magically filter virus', ass clown.
Fucktards gonna fucktard.
I know you do! (NO YUO!")
 

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Stop twisting my words. I said: Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.

You're just a troll trying to fuck up decent threads. Do you understand that your trolling can cost human lives?
Nah, I'm just talking to someone who is too dumb, I can spend my time better
What masks, bonehead? If you're saying paper and cloth masks make a difference, you're dead wrong. Science doesnt support that at all. In Illinois, we've had mask mandates for MONTHS and guess what, the infection rate went off the hook as soon as it started to cool off. Face it, there's ZERO scientific evidence supporting paper masks mitigating infection from COVID.
Stop blabbering. Replying to you is useless, I will try to control myself from the urge to teach you something
lemme know when you can prove that these lame assed paper masks magically filter virus', ass clown.
Fucktards gonna fucktard.
I know you do! (NO YUO!")
I've bookmarked this thread for when need medical advice. Because you are clearly more smarter than all those Doctors and Science geeks!
 

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Stop twisting my words. I said: Masks DO make a difference. That's what the real scientists say, not the "Q" dude on 4chan.

You're just a troll trying to fuck up decent threads. Do you understand that your trolling can cost human lives?
Nah, I'm just talking to someone who is too dumb, I can spend my time better
What masks, bonehead? If you're saying paper and cloth masks make a difference, you're dead wrong. Science doesnt support that at all. In Illinois, we've had mask mandates for MONTHS and guess what, the infection rate went off the hook as soon as it started to cool off. Face it, there's ZERO scientific evidence supporting paper masks mitigating infection from COVID.
Stop blabbering. Replying to you is useless, I will try to control myself from the urge to teach you something
lemme know when you can prove that these lame assed paper masks magically filter virus', ass clown.
Stop blabbering. Replying to you is useless, I will try to control myself from the urge to teach you something
 

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paper and cloth dont stop virus', tards. I'm sorry that scientific fact touched you on your nono parts! :LOL1:
Stop blabbering. Replying to you is useless, I will try to control myself from the urge to teach you something
 

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paper and cloth dont stop virus', tards. I'm sorry that scientific fact touched you on your nono parts! :LOL1:
Stop blabbering. Replying to you is useless, I will try to control myself from the urge to teach you something
NO YUO! Why lie to the people? It doesnt matter though, most people realize these flimsy cloth and paper masks do about jack shit.