I Could Not Agree More With Mr Carville

[Holliday1881]

Seriously though - I can't wait till the Blast Jefferson from Mt Rushmore movement gets up steam.
..Many of you know I've been sick of this shit going way back
and just regard special interest politics as a form of conservatism, since it quite plainly isn't Liberalism, but rather a #LookatMe, self interest separatism which I despise. The Squad et al can shove it up their ass.
. So can contard xtians, trumputinists etc, of course.

Anyway - that's my horrible white liberal take on things.

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Democratic strategist James Carville identified Wednesday what he believes is costing his party at the polls: “Stupid wokeness.”

“What went wrong is just stupid wokeness,” he told PBS NewsHour’s Judy Woodruff when she asked what happened Tuesday in Virginia, where Democratic gubernatorial incumbent Terry McAuliffe went down to Republican Glenn Youngkin. “This ‘defund the police’ lunacy, this ‘take Abraham Lincoln’s name off of schools.’ I mean that … people see that.”

He explained that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”

“Some of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”

 

[Lokmar]

No idiot, CONservatism hasnt infected your precious libtard underlings.

 

[LotusBud]

Well, yes. But the wokeness is there because the Dems refuse to address concrete issues, like mandating living wages, curtailing Wall Street's and the military/industrial (tech) complex's stranglehold on the country, and implementing Medicare for All. Dems have consciously chosen, because of their donors, to ignore those crucial issues, so they need something to distinguish them from cons. Identity politics is the solution.

I think Carville stopped short of explaining what's really going on.

 

[Holliday1881]

The Squad et al can shove it up their ass.
. So can contard xtians, trumputinists etc, of course.

...and they can take Joe fucking Manchin with them. Fucking asshole.

 

[Holliday1881]

Well, yes. But the wokeness is there because the Dems refuse to address concrete issues, like mandating living wages, curtailing Wall Street's and the military/industrial (tech) complex's stranglehold on the country, and implementing Medicare for All. Dems have consciously chosen, because of their donors, to ignore those crucial issues, so they need something to distinguish them from cons. Identity politics is the solution.

I think Carville stopped short of explaining what's really going on.

So is Chris Hedges woke? He seems to be able to define problems without the attention whoring shit as accompaniment.
The lethargy and conservatism in the Dem party goes back decades, but you can't oppose it while operating by the same principles of self rather than community (not just your own) interest. I alienates and divides people by differences rather than uniting them by common cause.

Fuck em all - they can all rot.

 

[LotusBud]

Well, yes. But the wokeness is there because the Dems refuse to address concrete issues, like mandating living wages, curtailing Wall Street's and the military/industrial (tech) complex's stranglehold on the country, and implementing Medicare for All. Dems have consciously chosen, because of their donors, to ignore those crucial issues, so they need something to distinguish them from cons. Identity politics is the solution.

I think Carville stopped short of explaining what's really going on.

So is Chris Hedges woke? He seems to be able to define problems without the attention whoring shit as accompaniment.
The lethargy and conservatism in the Dem party goes back decades, but you can't oppose it while operating by the same principles of self rather than community (not just your own) interest. I alienates and divides people by differences rather than uniting them by common cause.

Fuck em all - they can all rot.

Chris Hedges is the opposite of anything the Dem party stands for, imo. He is a true intellectual and progressive. Just a compassionate human being with the power of reason on his side. I know you've admired him for a long time.

Haha. I was just watching something on youtube, and the thing that came up in the cue, just now, as I'm typing this, was a Chris Hedges talk at the New School. It's a talk on his article "Why Liberals Are Useless." LOL

 

[Holliday1881]

 

[Lokmar]

The Squad et al can shove it up their ass.
. So can contard xtians, trumputinists etc, of course.

...and they can take Joe fucking Manchin with them. Fucking asshole.

Fuk that asshole! The last thing my side needs is another RINO!

 

[Blazor]

Put Robert E. Lee back on his pedestal!!!!!

The honorable of Virginia!!!!

 

[Holliday1881]

Identity politics is the solution

I couldn't disagree more.

 

[Dove]

The Squad et al can shove it up their ass.
. So can contard xtians, trumputinists etc, of course.

...and they can take Joe fucking Manchin with them. Fucking asshole.

Fuk that asshole! The last thing my side needs is another RINO!

It's funny how the fake "liberals" who are not liberal at all openly list all the people they dont think should have a say in anything or even be regarded at citizens without any awareness of the irony.

"People who dont agree with me or see the world how I do....or see it in a way I like....are detestable and need to fuck off. I'm too open minded and enlightened and shouldnt have to deal with opposition, and by default this country is more for me and doesnt have room for them. They need to shut up and just keep working to fund bullshit I like".

But then they will actually tell other people to leave thier "bubbles". Its astounding.

 

[Lokmar]

The Squad et al can shove it up their ass.
. So can contard xtians, trumputinists etc, of course.

...and they can take Joe fucking Manchin with them. Fucking asshole.

Fuk that asshole! The last thing my side needs is another RINO!

It's funny how the fake "liberals" who are not liberal at all openly list all the people they dont think should have a say in anything or even be regarded at citizens without any awareness of the irony.

"People who dont agree with me or see the world how I do....or see it in a way I like....are detestable and need to fuck off. I'm too open minded and enlightened and shouldnt have to deal with opposition, and by default this country is more for me and doesnt have room for them. They need to shut up and just keep working to fund bullshit I like".

But then they will actually tell other people to leave thier "bubbles". Its astounding.

We've all gone to our corners. Its just a matter of time before the shoosting begins.

 

[Dove]

The Squad et al can shove it up their ass.
. So can contard xtians, trumputinists etc, of course.

...and they can take Joe fucking Manchin with them. Fucking asshole.

Fuk that asshole! The last thing my side needs is another RINO!

It's funny how the fake "liberals" who are not liberal at all openly list all the people they dont think should have a say in anything or even be regarded at citizens without any awareness of the irony.

"People who dont agree with me or see the world how I do....or see it in a way I like....are detestable and need to fuck off. I'm too open minded and enlightened and shouldnt have to deal with opposition, and by default this country is more for me and doesnt have room for them. They need to shut up and just keep working to fund bullshit I like".

But then they will actually tell other people to leave thier "bubbles". Its astounding.

We've all gone to our corners. Its just a matter of time before the shoosting begins.

I just want a peaceful community where our individual rights and liberties are still our core values and where they people run the government instead of govco running the people.

You know, the Constitutional Republic we were supposed to be. :(

It would be best to have a national divorce. Its past time to give up and go separate ways.

 

[Lokmar]

The Squad et al can shove it up their ass.
. So can contard xtians, trumputinists etc, of course.

...and they can take Joe fucking Manchin with them. Fucking asshole.

Fuk that asshole! The last thing my side needs is another RINO!

It's funny how the fake "liberals" who are not liberal at all openly list all the people they dont think should have a say in anything or even be regarded at citizens without any awareness of the irony.

"People who dont agree with me or see the world how I do....or see it in a way I like....are detestable and need to fuck off. I'm too open minded and enlightened and shouldnt have to deal with opposition, and by default this country is more for me and doesnt have room for them. They need to shut up and just keep working to fund bullshit I like".

But then they will actually tell other people to leave thier "bubbles". Its astounding.

We've all gone to our corners. Its just a matter of time before the shoosting begins.

I just want a peaceful community where our individual rights and liberties are still our core values and where they people run the government instead of govco running the people.

You know, the Constitutional Republic we were supposed to be. :(

It would be best to have a national divorce. Its past time to give up and go separate ways.

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The almost general Mediocrity of Fortune that prevails in America obliging its People to follow some
Business for Subsistence, those Vices that arise usually from Idleness are in a great Measure prevented.
Industry and constant Employment are great Preservatives of the Morals and Virtue of a Nation. Hence
bad Examples to Youth are more rare in America, which must be a comfortable Consideration to Parents.
To this may be truly added that serious Religion under its various Denominations is not only tolerated but
respected and practiced. Atheism is unknown there, Infidelity rare & secret, so that Persons may live to a
great Age in that Country without having their Piety shock’d by meeting with either an Atheist or an
Infidel. And the Divine Being seems to have manifested his Approbation [approval] of the mutual
Forbearance and Kindness with which the different Sects treat each other, by the remarkable Prosperity
with which he has been pleased to favor the whole Country.

The problem is the rejection of God and acceptance of degeneracy.

 

[Holliday1881]

of the mutual
Forbearance and Kindness with which the different Sects treat each other, by the remarkable Prosperity
with which he has been pleased to favor the whole Country.

LoLz - "for many will come in my name".

One wonders which of these many gives the true teachings. None is a good guess.
.So here is a country which it is proposed be held together by lies and misinterpretations, often deliberate, to preserve power among the few.

...and don't even get me started on the police and all of the laws spawned by the Constitution of this Country that all must live by. How authoritarian is that, ayyy?

Liberalism is not anarchy - it is a cooperative effort in which each individual places the good of the whole above their full autonomy. Freedom does not mean do whatever you wish w/o regard for your neighbor - that's FREEDUMB!.

 

[Dove]

of the mutual
Forbearance and Kindness with which the different Sects treat each other, by the remarkable Prosperity
with which he has been pleased to favor the whole Country.

LoLz - "for many will come in my name".

One wonders which of these many gives the true teachings. None is a good guess.
.So here is a country which it is proposed be held together by lies and misinterpretations, often deliberate, to preserve power among the few.

...and don't even get me started on the police and all of the laws spawned by the Constitution of this Country that all must live by. How authoritarian is that, ayyy?

Liberalism is not anarchy - it is a cooperative effort in which each individual places the good of the whole above their full autonomy. Freedom does not mean do whatever you wish w/o regard for your neighbor - that's FREEDUMB!.

You are absolutely not a liberal.

Especailly when you dont even understand what the Constitution IS. And you clearly showed that with this post.

 

[Lily]

Identity politics is the solution

I couldn't disagree more.

"Identity" politics wouldn't be an issue if the "liberals" power shared with all people under the "Big Tent", yanno?

I agree otherwise with James Carville. I don't believe in cancelling from our history, rather I believe in including others, many of whom have always been a part of it, in our history.

It's about including into the coalition rather than maintaining power with the same old group. That was Hillary Clinton's problem. By the time she ran, more was expected of her.

 

[Holliday1881]

Identity politics is the solution

I couldn't disagree more.

"Identity" politics wouldn't be an issue if the "liberals" power shared with all people under the "Big Tent", yanno?

I agree otherwise with James Carville. I don't believe in cancelling from our history, rather I believe in including others, many of whom have always been a part of it, in our history.

It's about including into the coalition rather than maintaining power with the same old group. That was Hillary Clinton's problem. By the time she ran, more was expected of her.

You didn't describe or mention by name any Liberals, yanno. Just conservatives.

 

[Oerdin]

Speaking of wokeness... The mother of the transvestite rapist in Loudoun County, Virginia tries to blame the two different girls for getting raped instead of her mentally ill transvestite son who raped them.

 

[Lily]

Identity politics is the solution

I couldn't disagree more.

"Identity" politics wouldn't be an issue if the "liberals" power shared with all people under the "Big Tent", yanno?

I agree otherwise with James Carville. I don't believe in cancelling from our history, rather I believe in including others, many of whom have always been a part of it, in our history.

It's about including into the coalition rather than maintaining power with the same old group. That was Hillary Clinton's problem. By the time she ran, more was expected of her.

You didn't describe or mention by name any Liberals, yanno. Just conservatives.

I only used one name and may I suggest another reason the "left" isn't successful? It's because of arguing over every fucking thing they can and not trying to find common ground with people that they agree with on more than they disagree on. And that's a fact.

 

[Oerdin]

Speaking of the left...

 

[Holliday1881]

Identity politics is the solution

I couldn't disagree more.

"Identity" politics wouldn't be an issue if the "liberals" power shared with all people under the "Big Tent", yanno?

I agree otherwise with James Carville. I don't believe in cancelling from our history, rather I believe in including others, many of whom have always been a part of it, in our history.

It's about including into the coalition rather than maintaining power with the same old group. That was Hillary Clinton's problem. By the time she ran, more was expected of her.

You didn't describe or mention by name any Liberals, yanno. Just conservatives.

I only used one name and may I suggest another reason the "left" isn't successful? It's because of arguing over every fucking thing they can and not trying to find common ground with people that they agree with on more than they disagree on. And that's a fact.

What I have said right along is that uniting behind Liberal principles is what is needed, not addressing each individual grievance in the uniform of the aggrieved (sure it can be a noun).
This, actually, is what Hedges says in the above video interview - which I appreciate is far too long at 40 minutes for anyone to interrupt their day of posting or honing trumptardian rhetoric.
He, of course, uses the term Liberal in the modern/pop sense - what I call Lib - though if one were to read his book The Death of the Liberal Class, you'd have to ask who exhumed them. Clearly he isn't describing Liberals when he speaks of Pelosi and the Corporate Wing of Dems, but rather conservatives.

The fractionalization of those who might be united by Liberal principles by identity politics is what ultimately keeps the system as it is. A united front doesn't come from groups yelling to be heard over each other. United front - That all disappeared in the early 70s.

..of course you can't even address such things with people that think Liberalism = anarchy, or
believe that in a Liberal democracy (that described in the US Constitution), that government only functions to preserve a set of rights of the individual, while citizens have no responsibility to the nation or their fellow citizens.
. Such dullards.

 

[Lily]

Identity politics is the solution

I couldn't disagree more.

"Identity" politics wouldn't be an issue if the "liberals" power shared with all people under the "Big Tent", yanno?

I agree otherwise with James Carville. I don't believe in cancelling from our history, rather I believe in including others, many of whom have always been a part of it, in our history.

It's about including into the coalition rather than maintaining power with the same old group. That was Hillary Clinton's problem. By the time she ran, more was expected of her.

You didn't describe or mention by name any Liberals, yanno. Just conservatives.

I only used one name and may I suggest another reason the "left" isn't successful? It's because of arguing over every fucking thing they can and not trying to find common ground with people that they agree with on more than they disagree on. And that's a fact.

What I have said right along is that uniting behind Liberal principles is what is needed, not addressing each individual grievance in the uniform of the aggrieved (sure it can be a noun).
This, actually, is what Hedges says in the above video interview - which I appreciate is far to long at 40 minutes for anyone to interrupt their day of posting or honing trumptardian rhetoric.
He, of course, uses the term Liberal in the modern/pop sense - what I call Lib - though if one were to read his book The Death of the Liberal Class, you'd have to ask who exhumed them. Clearly he isn't describing Liberals when he speaks of Pelosi and the Corporate Wing of Dems, but rather conservatives.

The fractionalization of those who might be united by Liberal principles by identity politics is what ultimately keeps the system as it is. A united front doesn't come from groups yelling to be heard over each other. United front - That all disappeared in the early 70s.

..of course you can't even address such things with people that think Liberalism = anarchy, or
believe that in a Liberal democracy (that described in the US Constitution), that government only functions to preserve a set of rights of the individual, while citizens have no responsibility to the nation or their fellow citizens.
. Such dullards.

He doesn't address the imbalance of power, within the "liberal" side of the aisle as you describe him. I get it, you're not part of the groups that have been historically disempowered, neither has he. Until people SHARE power and decision-making under those principles we're going to keep losing to the right.

And they too have a power imbalance, but it's so vast, they can only maintain power by stoking division in the country as a whole.

We don't have to agree, but it is to our downfall when we don't try. The reason you have the squad is because of this unwillingness to even listen. They did not appear in a vacuum.

 

[Holliday1881]

He doesn't address the imbalance of power, within the "liberal" side of the aisle as you describe him.

. Oh - he exactly does. He's quite clear about who holds the reigns and why.
No one should assume too much about other people's personal history and empowerments.

If a person is advocating only for themselves then they are just another selfish conservative.
.Certainly nothing Liberal about that. It's just action rooted purely in self interest, not in any belief in principles of equality

 

[Lokmar]

of the mutual
Forbearance and Kindness with which the different Sects treat each other, by the remarkable Prosperity
with which he has been pleased to favor the whole Country.

LoLz - "for many will come in my name".

One wonders which of these many gives the true teachings. None is a good guess.
.So here is a country which it is proposed be held together by lies and misinterpretations, often deliberate, to preserve power among the few.

...and don't even get me started on the police and all of the laws spawned by the Constitution of this Country that all must live by. How authoritarian is that, ayyy?

Liberalism is not anarchy - it is a cooperative effort in which each individual places the good of the whole above their full autonomy. Freedom does not mean do whatever you wish w/o regard for your neighbor - that's FREEDUMB!.

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.

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[Joe]

It's funny how the fake "liberals" who are not liberal at all openly list all the people they dont think should have a say in anything or even be regarded at citizens without any awareness of the irony.

I think what's wrong with certain factions within the American Democratic party is they don't want to make any concessions to get what they want. They want their Utopia but don't seem to realize that there are roadblocks on the way there. In some ways it's like a video game with trap doors on the way to the prize jackpot. But the Progressives think they can get the prize without sacrificing something or passing through these obstacles.

Some examples are Keystone XL & Maine's rejection of a hydropower project from Canada. Even the Liberal party of Canada endorsed these projects. So the Progressives in the US are more like the Green Party wallowing in idealism but with no tangible results.

As one Democratic Congresswoman warned AOC last year, these policies would probably cost the Democrats the Congress in 2022 & quite possibly the presidency in 2024.

 

[Lokmar]

Speaking of wokeness... The mother of the transvestite rapist in Loudoun County, Virginia tries to blame the two different girls for getting raped instead of her mentally ill transvestite son who raped them.

That cunt should be burned at the stake along with her kid.

 

[Dove]

Speaking of wokeness... The mother of the transvestite rapist in Loudoun County, Virginia tries to blame the two different girls for getting raped instead of her mentally ill transvestite son who raped them.

Fucking disgusting cunt. Raised a rapist and blames an innocent girl her fucked son victimized.

She should thank whatever demon shes possessed with that she doesnt have to deal with ME. Because I would DESTROY her.

 

[Holliday1881]

Speaking of wokeness... The mother of the transvestite rapist in Loudoun County, Virginia tries to blame the two different girls for getting raped instead of her mentally ill transvestite son who raped them.

That cunt should be burned at the stake along with her kid.

Is that an example of the charity, tolerance and cooperation you preach?

Always interesting to hear the violent ravings of the religious-right.

 

[Dove]

Identity politics is the solution

I couldn't disagree more.

"Identity" politics wouldn't be an issue if the "liberals" power shared with all people under the "Big Tent", yanno?

I agree otherwise with James Carville. I don't believe in cancelling from our history, rather I believe in including others, many of whom have always been a part of it, in our history.

It's about including into the coalition rather than maintaining power with the same old group. That was Hillary Clinton's problem. By the time she ran, more was expected of her.

You didn't describe or mention by name any Liberals, yanno. Just conservatives.

No, I'm saying YOU are not liberal. You are actually labeling liberals "conservatives" and leaning on some mischaracterizing of what conservatives actually ARE.

You dont understand them, fine. People fear what they dont understand. But going full blown authoritarian and enjoying the spread of division and hate is not ever going to be okay.

If you are okay with coercion and force of a vaccine, go sit in the corner with your Mengele cap on and stop pretending to be liberal.....Mr. "if I don't think you belong in a certain location, you dont have a right to defend yourself from attackers cuz you shoulda stayed home" authoritarian.