Employers are using your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you’ll accept

[wizer]

Somewhat related t,o @The Prowler's recent thread about retirement planning where he mentioned him and his wife's early retirement partially to benefit those who need jobs but can't find one so they freed up two spots out of the goodness of their hearts and to align with their path to Sainthood is an article I just read about how prospective employers use personal data and algorithms to pay their new hires the lowest possible salary they will accept.

Key points:

As companies get better at collecting and analyzing personal data, they aren’t just gunning for the money coming out of your wallet — they’re controlling how much goes into it, too.

Companies already try to get new hires to accept the lowest possible wage offer. But while that once meant sizing up a candidate’s experience and credentials against the going market rate, it increasingly means feeding the candidate’s personal data into an algorithm.

Rather than offering a fixed wage, the platforms adjust pay based on what they know about each worker — including how often a nurse accepts shifts, how quickly they respond to postings and what pay they have accepted in the past, according to the Roosevelt Institute report. Nurses interviewed for the report said this often resulted in nurses being paid different amounts for the same work, even within the same facility.

And I thought airlines gouging consumers for higher airline ticket prices based on their browser history was bad.

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[Jack]

Thats happening in retail and food shopping as well...I think they call it "ptrdictive pricing" based on what you've bought in the past, and what you've been willing to pay for it.

Creepy shit

 

[wizer]

Thats happening in retail and food shopping as well...I think they call it "ptrdictive pricing" based on what you've bought in the past, and what you've been willing to pay for it.

Creepy shit

That's mentioned in the article as well.

Using data and algorithms to manipulate people into spending more and getting paid less.

 

[Cookius Monstarius]

this is why I wouldn't tell previous landlords how much money I was making, i didn't want them putting the rent up on their cost assessment of what I needed.

 

[wizer]

this is why I wouldn't tell previous landlords how much money I was making, i didn't want them putting the rent up on their cost assessment of what I needed.

I've been a landlord for more than 3 decades. A couple of studio apartments in various homes I lived in, to help towards the bills when I didn't have money in the early years. Then 2 apartments above my office for about 30 years that routinely saw changeovers between what was probably a dozen or more tenants. A house we moved from became an investment rental for several years before we sold it. Now my condo in the US is rented.

So I've got experience in this regard. A bad tenant is worse than no tenant and it's such a headache to get a nonpaying tenant out of your property so smart landlords do through screenings and decline questionable tenants.

My point that I'm finally getting to is that no smart landlord would accept a prospective tenant without proof of income.

 

[Joe]

Somewhat related t,o @The Prowler's recent thread about retirement planning where he mentioned him and his wife's early retirement partially to benefit those who need jobs but can't find one so they freed up two spots out of the goodness of their hearts and to align with their path to Sainthood.

.....except @The Prowler doesn't care about the younger generation or helping them to find jobs @wizer

He only cares about his personal status in relation to others & whether they stand higher on the social & economic ladder than him. @The Prowler 's insistence that older workers retismre is rooted in deep insecurities about his own status.

He doesn't like it when a contemporary or rival his age is still working, has a prestigious highly paid position because it diminishes his own. Hence that's why he demands that they retire fast....dammit!

"Retire fast because I don't like it when people my age are senior managers or Presidents in positions of power that I could never attain.!" is how the Prowler really feels - intimidated by rivals he can't compete with so he comes to anonymous free forums he is unwilling to support but offer him a vent for his puny self.

That's the rationale behind The Prowler's 'Retire Early' agenda @wizer

 

[The Prowler]

.....except @The Prowler doesn't care about the younger generation or helping them to find jobs @wizer

He only cares about his personal status in relation to others & whether they stand higher on the social & economic ladder than him. @The Prowler 's insistence that older workers retismre is rooted in deep insecurities about his own status.

He doesn't like it when a contemporary or rival his age is still working, has a prestigious highly paid position because it diminishes his own. Hence that's why he demands that they retire fast....dammit!

"Retire fast because I don't like it when people my age are senior managers or Presidents in positions of power that I could never attain.!" is how the Prowler really feels - intimidated by rivals he can't compete with so he comes to anonymous free forums he is unwilling to support but offer him a vent for his puny self.

That's the rationale behind The Prowler's 'Retire Early' agenda @wizer

Are you sobbing?

 

[Joe]

Are you sobbing?

Actually you're the one who's always whining about older workers because you can't stand seeing men your age still working in highly paid positions who enjoy the social prestige & status you could never attain irl Lex @The Prowler .

...don't you have anything better to do with your time?

You often remind me of retired old farts with too much time on their hands, so when they get cranky they have nothing better to do with their lives than gaslighting others.

Find something meaningful to do with your life ffs before it's too late Prowler

 

[Iggy McLulz]

I work for a small business, so I don't have to worry about this. Not bragging, just saying, I'm truly fucking blessed!

 

[The Prowler]

Actually you're the one who

Sits on the Executive Board for a local non-profit that is having their AGM tomorrow evening?

Yeah, that is me.

It is one of several Board of Directors that I sit on for non-profits in my community.

While you are keeping a young person unemployed because of your poor retirement planning, I am volunteering my time and expertise to organizations that benefit my local community at levels most people cannot fathom.

Some would say that I am a hero.

And who am I to argue?

 

[Joe]

Sits on the Executive Board for a local non-profit that is having their AGM tomorrow evening?

Yeah, that is me.

It is one of several Board of Directors that I sit on for non-profits in my community.

While you are keeping a young person unemployed because of your poor retirement planning, I am volunteering my time and expertise to organizations that benefit my local community at levels most people cannot fathom.

Some would say that I am a hero.

And who am I to argue?

So what are the names of these organizations ?

Got any proof they exist?

Links?

Websites?

Your full name & the position(s) & duties listed?

i'll be delighted when post them Lex @The Prowler .

Post them for everyone in this forum to see.

Thanks for your cooperation

Appreciate it.

 

[Cookius Monstarius]

I've been a landlord for more than 3 decades. A couple of studio apartments in various homes I lived in, to help towards the bills when I didn't have money in the early years. Then 2 apartments above my office for about 30 years that routinely saw changeovers between what was probably a dozen or more tenants. A house we moved from became an investment rental for several years before we sold it. Now my condo in the US is rented.

So I've got experience in this regard. A bad tenant is worse than no tenant and it's such a headache to get a nonpaying tenant out of your property so smart landlords do through screenings and decline questionable tenants.

My point that I'm finally getting to is that no smart landlord would accept a prospective tenant without proof of income.

I'm talking a multiple years rent on time tenancy, was late a couple of times in the first year. When started doing some new work "How much are you getting paid for that", not enough my reply. Maybe ask for references if your worried about non payments.

 

[The Prowler]

So what are the names of these organizations ?

Hmmm, I wonder if I should tell you....

Got any proof they exist?

Of course, you dopey stooge!!!

Links?

Of course I could provide links to Web sites.

Websites?

Wait.

What did you want links to if not Web sites?!?!!!?!

Your full name & the position(s) & duties listed?

Yes, my full name is on some Web sites along with my positions.

The list of duties is detailed in other documents that are online in some cases.

i'll be delighted when post them Lex @The Prowler .

Hmmmm.....I wonder if I want you to be delighted.

Post them for everyone in this forum to see.

That almost sounds like a bad idea.

Thanks for your cooperation

Appreciate it.

It seems like you failed, Senile @Joe .

Par.

For the course.

 

[wizer]

I'm talking a multiple years rent on time tenancy, was late a couple of times in the first year. When started doing some new work "How much are you getting paid for that", not enough my reply. Maybe ask for references if your worried about non payments.

Your reply doesn't make sense. Once you're accepted as a tenant you won't be asked about your income, or if you've changed jobs and are making more or less money. Being late on the rent is a big red flag and will almost definitely be mentioned if your landlord is ever asked about you as a reference. It doesn't matter if you've paid on time for many years, several late payments in a row is a non starter for a new landlord. It's like a credit report. Late or nonpayments on balances are a credit killer, for good reason.

I thought I was clear in my post that I thoroughly screen prospective tenants and of course that includes references (and complete background checks at their expense), primarily by reaching out to prior landlords and job supervisors. And I actually call them. What they can tell me is limited by law, although some don't know this and it's important to ask the right questions such as "would you rent to this person again" or "would you hire this person if you knew as much about them then as you do now". People are eager to either support a person they like or "get even" by saying "no fucking way".

However- if the applicant in question is still living at the prior landlord's apartment, the reference may be motivated by their own self interests to give a good reference even if the tenant is horrible so that's something to watch out for.

As you can see I've been down this road many times.

 

[Cookius Monstarius]

Your reply doesn't make sense. Once you're accepted as a tenant you won't be asked about your income, or if you've changed jobs and are making more or less money. Being late on the rent is a big red flag and will almost definitely be mentioned if your landlord is ever asked about you as a reference. It doesn't matter if you've paid on time for many years, several late payments in a row is a non starter for a new landlord. It's like a credit report. Late or nonpayments on balances are a credit killer, for good reason.

I thought I was clear in my post that I thoroughly screen prospective tenants and of course that includes references (and complete background checks at their expense), primarily by reaching out to prior landlords and job supervisors. And I actually call them. What they can tell me is limited by law, although some don't know this and it's important to ask the right questions such as "would you rent to this person again" or "would you hire this person if you knew as much about them then as you do now". People are eager to either support a person they like or "get even" by saying "no fucking way".

However- if the applicant in question is still living at the prior landlord's apartment, the reference may be motivated by their own self interests to give a good reference even if the tenant is horrible so that's something to watch out for.

As you can see I've been down this road many times.

He was a live in landlord who made the impertinent question during a conversation. He was dodgy AF.

 

[wizer]

He was a live in landlord who made the impertinent question during a conversation. He was dodgy AF.

As you suggested you're under no obligation to provide any further information once you've been accepted as a tenant.

If it's time to renew the lease and you want to stay on but the landlord wants to update your information that may be another matter entirely. Especially if there have been late payments and they have concerns.