Manchin prefers not to

[Dove]

Uuuhhh because that "one man" represents actual thousands of Americans and in a healthy representative democracy you cant just plow down other Americans.

This is not a majority mob rule country no matter how much you guys want it to be. The people actually have to agree on things like this. We ALL are paying for it.

SMDH.

Civil discourse and a proper understanding of the needs and positions of the people just MIGHT be a bit important. Just might. I know that's an alien concept to pretentious fuckbags who just want to demand their way and spew hatred at other Americans and basically take over and force their ideology on everyone....but that's not the kind of country we live in, thank fuck. And it's never going to be. A shame it cant be preserved peacefully and it's already horribly compromised.

 

[Jeannie]

that should settle the argument once and for all lol

 

[Joe]

"Many Democrats feel the bill is essential to the party's chances of maintaining control of Congress in next year's elections."

Which is all they will ever actually care about. Control. They dont care about how this could impact and harm regular people.

And the whole "common ground" bullshit they use to make it seem like it's the people who dont support what they want to do are the problem. Its them who refuse the "common ground". They all think like this and use this same manipulation tactic.

Even the voters who support these shit bags use that tactic. If you oppose them, YOU are being divisive. YOU are the problem. They say Trump is divisive and blame him for their responses to him. Basically by disagreeing with democrats....no matter how valid the reason, they get nasty and blame the one disagreeing of failing to have a "common ground".

Did Manchin's refusal to back this bill nullify or kill the previous trillion dollar infrastructure bill?




Or is this a separate social spending bill from the previous infrastructure bill that Biden had signed into law a month or 2 ago?

I was a bit confused by the reports.

Because it seemed to me that Manchin along with many Republicans did support an infrastructure bill to improve highways and telecommunications in the US.

Wasn't that part of it already signed into law?

They were always separate bills and the fake ass infrastructure bill was already signed into law. De operate leadership tried to hold the fake ass infrastructure bill (of which only 8% is actually infrastructure) hostage in order to demand passage of the garbage $4.5 trillion magical omnibus grab bag of partisan pork. Thankfully, that failed.

Actually a big flaw I can see in the Democrats bill was that they tried to pack too much into one. They should have broken it up into several, and maybe then parts of it would have had a chance to pass and get Manchin's approval.

It seems rather absurd that this Better Buy Back legislation was twice as large as the Infrastructure bill.

Really?

More like if the Democrats had proposed an additional $1 trillion in spending as opposed to $2 trillion it would have had a better chance of passing.

And it would have been much closer to Manchin's $1.5-1.75 trillion target.

That way they probably could have gotten him to go along with it.

 

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Apparently incivility has consequences! This is what the most strident leftists need to understand.

 

[Lokmar]

"Many Democrats feel the bill is essential to the party's chances of maintaining control of Congress in next year's elections."

Which is all they will ever actually care about. Control. They dont care about how this could impact and harm regular people.

And the whole "common ground" bullshit they use to make it seem like it's the people who dont support what they want to do are the problem. Its them who refuse the "common ground". They all think like this and use this same manipulation tactic.

Even the voters who support these shit bags use that tactic. If you oppose them, YOU are being divisive. YOU are the problem. They say Trump is divisive and blame him for their responses to him. Basically by disagreeing with democrats....no matter how valid the reason, they get nasty and blame the one disagreeing of failing to have a "common ground".

Did Manchin's refusal to back this bill nullify or kill the previous trillion dollar infrastructure bill?




Or is this a separate social spending bill from the previous infrastructure bill that Biden had signed into law a month or 2 ago?

I was a bit confused by the reports.

Because it seemed to me that Manchin along with many Republicans did support an infrastructure bill to improve highways and telecommunications in the US.

Wasn't that part of it already signed into law?

They were always separate bills and the fake ass infrastructure bill was already signed into law. De operate leadership tried to hold the fake ass infrastructure bill (of which only 8% is actually infrastructure) hostage in order to demand passage of the garbage $4.5 trillion magical omnibus grab bag of partisan pork. Thankfully, that failed.

Actually a big flaw I can see in the Democrats bill was that they tried to pack too much into one. They should have broken it up into several, and maybe then parts of it would have had a chance to pass and get Manchin's approval.

It seems rather absurd that this Better Buy Back legislation was twice as large as the Infrastructure bill.

Really?

More like if the Democrats had proposed an additional $1 trillion in spending as opposed to $2 trillion it would have had a better chance of passing.

And it would have been much closer to Manchin's $1.5-1.75 trillion target.

That way they probably could have gotten him to go along with it.

Hey dumb ass, they always go for broke. Its the democRAT way.

 

[Dove]

"Many Democrats feel the bill is essential to the party's chances of maintaining control of Congress in next year's elections."

Which is all they will ever actually care about. Control. They dont care about how this could impact and harm regular people.

And the whole "common ground" bullshit they use to make it seem like it's the people who dont support what they want to do are the problem. Its them who refuse the "common ground". They all think like this and use this same manipulation tactic.

Even the voters who support these shit bags use that tactic. If you oppose them, YOU are being divisive. YOU are the problem. They say Trump is divisive and blame him for their responses to him. Basically by disagreeing with democrats....no matter how valid the reason, they get nasty and blame the one disagreeing of failing to have a "common ground".

Did Manchin's refusal to back this bill nullify or kill the previous trillion dollar infrastructure bill?




Or is this a separate social spending bill from the previous infrastructure bill that Biden had signed into law a month or 2 ago?

I was a bit confused by the reports.

Because it seemed to me that Manchin along with many Republicans did support an infrastructure bill to improve highways and telecommunications in the US.

Wasn't that part of it already signed into law?

They were always separate bills and the fake ass infrastructure bill was already signed into law. De operate leadership tried to hold the fake ass infrastructure bill (of which only 8% is actually infrastructure) hostage in order to demand passage of the garbage $4.5 trillion magical omnibus grab bag of partisan pork. Thankfully, that failed.

Actually a big flaw I can see in the Democrats bill was that they tried to pack too much into one. They should have broken it up into several, and maybe then parts of it would have had a chance to pass and get Manchin's approval.

It seems rather absurd that this Better Buy Back legislation was twice as large as the Infrastructure bill.

Really?

More like if the Democrats had proposed an additional $1 trillion in spending as opposed to $2 trillion it would have had a better chance of passing.

And it would have been much closer to Manchin's $1.5-1.75 trillion target.

That way they probably could have gotten him to go along with it.

Your mistake is in thinking they care. They demand what they want no matter what, are not interested in being reasonable and then they blame and smear anyone who blocks it or tries to compromise.

This whole "never compromise" attitude is sold as some heroic fight for the people when it's really fucking not. It's actually a middle finger and divisive attack on the people, and there are hundreds of thousands of tax paying people who have a right to representation as well.

They dont understand or foster civility or compromise or care or any true progress. They are just unreasonable over bearing bullies who are far more invested in creating these situations they know wont pass and then using that to paint the other people in the country in a poor light. It's all about politics and manipulation. It's absolutely not about any of us or working to make the country better for citizens. It's all optics and their followers eat it up.

It's not about the people or bothering the country and it hasnt been for a while now. It's all about power and control.

 

[Oerdin]

It wasn't one man, you fucking cretinous mongoloid. Why do all you fucktards not understand that 51 votes are bigger than 49 votes? BTW there were at least six other democrat senators who didn't want to vote for it because they knew it was a disaster. So really we are talking about 44 votes to 56 votes.

You retards are just bad at basic math.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

THE TEARS ARE DELICIOUS

 

[Oerdin]

"Many Democrats feel the bill is essential to the party's chances of maintaining control of Congress in next year's elections."

Which is all they will ever actually care about. Control. They dont care about how this could impact and harm regular people.

And the whole "common ground" bullshit they use to make it seem like it's the people who dont support what they want to do are the problem. Its them who refuse the "common ground". They all think like this and use this same manipulation tactic.

Even the voters who support these shit bags use that tactic. If you oppose them, YOU are being divisive. YOU are the problem. They say Trump is divisive and blame him for their responses to him. Basically by disagreeing with democrats....no matter how valid the reason, they get nasty and blame the one disagreeing of failing to have a "common ground".

Did Manchin's refusal to back this bill nullify or kill the previous trillion dollar infrastructure bill?




Or is this a separate social spending bill from the previous infrastructure bill that Biden had signed into law a month or 2 ago?

I was a bit confused by the reports.

Because it seemed to me that Manchin along with many Republicans did support an infrastructure bill to improve highways and telecommunications in the US.

Wasn't that part of it already signed into law?

They were always separate bills and the fake ass infrastructure bill was already signed into law. De operate leadership tried to hold the fake ass infrastructure bill (of which only 8% is actually infrastructure) hostage in order to demand passage of the garbage $4.5 trillion magical omnibus grab bag of partisan pork. Thankfully, that failed.

Actually a big flaw I can see in the Democrats bill was that they tried to pack too much into one. They should have broken it up into several, and maybe then parts of it would have had a chance to pass and get Manchin's approval.

It seems rather absurd that this Better Buy Back legislation was twice as large as the Infrastructure bill.

Really?

More like if the Democrats had proposed an additional $1 trillion in spending as opposed to $2 trillion it would have had a better chance of passing.

And it would have been much closer to Manchin's $1.5-1.75 trillion target.

That way they probably could have gotten him to go along with it.

The problem for the dems is they were trying to do it all, and it was according to the CBO a $4.5 trillion porkulous bill, in a budget reconciliation bill to avoid the filibuster. It neverbshould reached this far because it was an inflation causing monster.