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<blockquote data-quote="Dove" data-source="post: 307441" data-attributes="member: 535">See dont do this. I understand the road you wanna go down here but hear me for a minute, okay? &nbsp;Would it do me good, if you encountered me during the worst parts of my ptsd where I'm doing hard drugs or drinking to excess to feel somewhat okay.....that that is normal? &nbsp;Or would you rather support me getting help? &nbsp;See how normalizing illness/disorders can harm? &nbsp;How do we really KNOW that suicide rate is because of society? A lot of people feel misfitted....get bullied. &nbsp;I've heard transwomen discuss their dysphoria and its heartbreaking. I cant even fathom what it's like to live like that......but I know its horrifically miserable. I can relate to extreme anxiety. Deep and dark depressions and even wanting to end it. I cannot relate to my own body triggering such unbearable confusion. &nbsp;I fear if we normalize this we would be doing harm. And staying outside the boundaries of biological facts. &nbsp;I'm NOT saying we control these people, or abuse them, or treat them as pariahs. These are human beings and members of our communities. &nbsp;I just dont see how going from one extreme to a whole other extreme is gonna be helpful. &nbsp;And these trans activists who are not even trans.....and the transtrenders muddying waters and adopting an SJW stance and policing people I fear is going to do more harm than good as well. It already is. It just gonna double people down and fuel more division and make people not even want to be bothered.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dove, post: 307441, member: 535"] See dont do this. I understand the road you wanna go down here but hear me for a minute, okay? Would it do me good, if you encountered me during the worst parts of my ptsd where I'm doing hard drugs or drinking to excess to feel somewhat okay.....that that is normal? Or would you rather support me getting help? See how normalizing illness/disorders can harm? How do we really KNOW that suicide rate is because of society? A lot of people feel misfitted....get bullied. I've heard transwomen discuss their dysphoria and its heartbreaking. I cant even fathom what it's like to live like that......but I know its horrifically miserable. I can relate to extreme anxiety. Deep and dark depressions and even wanting to end it. I cannot relate to my own body triggering such unbearable confusion. I fear if we normalize this we would be doing harm. And staying outside the boundaries of biological facts. I'm NOT saying we control these people, or abuse them, or treat them as pariahs. These are human beings and members of our communities. I just dont see how going from one extreme to a whole other extreme is gonna be helpful. And these trans activists who are not even trans.....and the transtrenders muddying waters and adopting an SJW stance and policing people I fear is going to do more harm than good as well. It already is. It just gonna double people down and fuel more division and make people not even want to be bothered. [/QUOTE]

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