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<blockquote data-quote="Frood" data-source="post: 374906" data-attributes="member: 37">I never got a degree in engineering or welding, yet I did those things as part of my jobs and I listened to other people doing those jobs to arrive at a point where I was semi-confident of what I was doing. My one grandfather was a white collar engineer and the other one was a blue collar welder...that's all he did. My father was a blue collar engineer that turned white collar through a surveying apprenticeship in the early 70's... The guy who taught me to mig and tig weld imparted one lasting lesson.... listen and look. Listen to the sound first, then look. Listen to the burn rate...so to speak. It was why I could manually weld semi-trailer axles&nbsp; or mend them without getting porosity in them. We had so many &quot;qualified&quot; welders on a shift, yet they got me to man the robotic scrap yard where something happened during robotics and it required a grind back then re-weld. I got to the point of welding new axles by hand which were indistinguishable from the robot welder. It was that sound and a certain colour glow which said it was a 110%... nothing I ever welded came back in the last 25 years of use. It's much the same as surgery.......and much the same as medical practioners. If you have a knack for something in a job or even an attention to detail, you will go far in whatever you do. ...and going to university should be your last concern if the pathways exist otherwise. Going directly to university after high school may be in fact a sign that you're stupid.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frood, post: 374906, member: 37"] I never got a degree in engineering or welding, yet I did those things as part of my jobs and I listened to other people doing those jobs to arrive at a point where I was semi-confident of what I was doing. My one grandfather was a white collar engineer and the other one was a blue collar welder...that's all he did. My father was a blue collar engineer that turned white collar through a surveying apprenticeship in the early 70's... The guy who taught me to mig and tig weld imparted one lasting lesson.... listen and look. Listen to the sound first, then look. Listen to the burn rate...so to speak. It was why I could manually weld semi-trailer axles or mend them without getting porosity in them. We had so many "qualified" welders on a shift, yet they got me to man the robotic scrap yard where something happened during robotics and it required a grind back then re-weld. I got to the point of welding new axles by hand which were indistinguishable from the robot welder. It was that sound and a certain colour glow which said it was a 110%... nothing I ever welded came back in the last 25 years of use. It's much the same as surgery.... ...and much the same as medical practioners. If you have a knack for something in a job or even an attention to detail, you will go far in whatever you do. ...and going to university should be your last concern if the pathways exist otherwise. Going directly to university after high school may be in fact a sign that you're stupid. [/QUOTE]

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