Presidential rankings

[Lily]

Even among Republicans Trump ranks 41st while he ranks 45th among Democrats.

"Ronald Reagan,

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and Trump were more likely to be ranked higher by conservatives or Republicans, with Reagan being ranked an average of 5th by Republicans respondents, Bush 19th and Trump 41st. Among Democrat respondents, Reagan was rated an average of 18th, Bush 33rd and Trump 45th.

There is a basic consensus in America that Trump sucks stinky balls.

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[Joe]

Your very worst by far was George W Bush @Lily

Unqualified, inexperienced, undeserving, inept and a recovering alcoholic.

Any guy who takes a country at its height, at peace with the world, recording massive budgetary surpluses, lowest jobless rate and destroys it all in 8 short years gets the nod imho. All the presidents before him, the USA was on an upward trajectory. Ironically, this is the prosperity men like his father HW Bush actually helped to create and maintain.

I think this happens because apart from raping the treasury, there are always reactionaries like W Bush who hate the prosperity the majority enjoy, because it's not their peace or prosperity. So they wanna remake it in their own image because they have some deluded notion that they can do better. But in the process, they wreck it and tear it down.

This has happened again and again throughout history with every Empire.

And there's always some Village Idiot like W Bush that comes along and tears it down.

"Why couldn't Rome stay on top?"

Recent events in history shed light on Rome's decline and fall.

If your country is having such a shit time, blame Dubya

 

[Lily]

Your very worst by far was George W Bush @Lily

Unqualified, inexperienced, undeserving, inept and a recovering alcoholic.

Any guy who takes a country at its height, at peace with the world, recording massive budgetary surpluses, lowest jobless rate and destroys it all in 8 short years gets the nod imho. All the presidents before him, the USA was on an upward trajectory. Ironically, this is the prosperity men like his father HW Bush actually helped to create and maintain.

I think this happens because apart from raping the treasury, there are always reactionaries like W Bush who hate the prosperity the majority enjoy, because it's not their peace or prosperity. So they wanna remake it in their own image because they have some deluded notion that they can do better. But in the process, they wreck it and tear it down.

This has happened again and again throughout history with every Empire.

And there's always some Village Idiot like W Bush that comes along and tears it down.

"Why couldn't Rome stay on top?"

Recent events in history shed light on Rome's decline and fall.

If your country is having such a shit time, blame Dubya

I would argue that Reagan would be among the top of worst Presidents.

So many things that we're dealing with now were introduced so many things that have broken this country.

 

[Joe]

I would argue that Reagan would be among the top of worst Presidents.

So many things that we're dealing with now were introduced so many things that have broken this country.

I didn't like Reagan all that much @Lily or his ideology either.

His policies did great harm to American society & helped create many of the social disparity we see today in the US.

However, he did not destroy the US.

In some respects he made the US considerably stronger & deserves credit for bringing down the Soviet Union & ending the Cold War which made the US the unquestioned supreme economic and military power in the world.

Even tho I don't like the way he did it, he succeeded in that regard.

Likewise, I'm not fond of Trump either. Yet he had some successes as well.

He shed light on China, exposed it for the lie that it is & was instrumental in ending globalization as we knew it. ....and that the economic arrangrment forged by his predecessors was not healthy for the American Worker or favorable to US economic interests.

 

[Joe]

Here's a list ranking the US Presidents:

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[Joe]

Ironically, the one who was ranked 43rd near the bottom, Andrew Johnson, isn't given any credit for the Alaska purchase. And it came at Canada's expense. Alaska would be part of Canada today had it not been for Johnson.

Alaska made the USA considerably richer and by any historical measure, its purchase was a stroke of genius.

The Alaska purchase from Russia wasn't even acquired with a drop of bloodshed.

Johnson just bought it from the Russians.

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The Senate approved the treaty of purchase on April 9; President Andrew Johnson signed the treaty on May 28, and Alaska was formally transferred to the United States on October 18, 1867. This purchase ended Russia’s presence in North America and ensured U.S. access to the Pacific northern rim.​

Today it contains some of the highest gas and mineral deposits in the world which the US has benefited immensely.

Barely literate, as an apprenticed Tailor, Johnson was not terribly educated. Maybe by today's standards he'd be considered to have a Grade 4 education - which was probably the average American at the time.

I'd say given his legacy and that he achieved it by peaceful means, Andrew Johnson was one of your best & farsighted @Lily. Given that achievement there ought to be a revision in the rankings and Johnson should be placed in no less than the top 10.

He was certainly a lot better than that idiot George W Bush.

 

[Lily]

I didn't like Reagan all that much @Lily or his ideology either.

His policies did great harm to American society & helped create many of the social disparity we see today in the US.

However, he did not destroy the US.

In some respects he made the US considerably stronger & deserves credit for bringing down the Soviet Union & ending the Cold War which made the US the unquestioned supreme economic and military power in the world.

Even tho I don't like the way he did it, he succeeded in that regard.

Likewise, I'm not fond of Trump either. Yet he had some successes as well.

He shed light on China, exposed it for the lie that it is & was instrumental in ending globalization as we knew it. ....and that the economic arrangrment forged by his predecessors was not healthy for the American Worker or favorable to US economic interests.

I beg to differ. He reduced taxation on the wealthy, while simultaneously increasing money on the military.. He broke unions. He was involved in several military campaigns that brought many immigrants to the US after we screwed their countries over. He introduced the Moral Majority and brought religious conservatism to the forefront.

He was the leader of the mess we're in now. He started it all.

 

[Garraty_47]

Obama doesn't belong in the top ten.

He broke all his promises including codifying Roe and a public health care option, installed a cabinet recommended to him by CitiBank, took us from two wars to seven, repealed habeus corpus, didn't prosecute any of the Iraq war criminals (despite admitting "we tortured some folks"), he and Hillary assassinated Qaddafi- turning Libya from one of the most advanced nations in Africa to a failed state with open-air slave markets, bailed out wall street to the tune of trillions while letting main street suffer, put on a charade of "drinking" Flint water instead of fixing the damn problem, said "let this play out" at Standing Rock while water protectors were hosed at sub-freezing temperatures and attacked by dogs, he built the cages for migrants that were later used to vilify Trump (although after Joe got elected they suddenly weren't an issue anymore, apparently)...

...and those are only the ones I can remember off the top of my head.

Since leaving office he's interfered to break strikes and rig DNC primaries but otherwise has done fuckall for the people of 'Murica.

*spit*

 

[Seamajor]

History will show Obama was one of the finest presidents ever. Maybe not in W. Virginia. Just another socialist state in the South.

 

[Joe]

History will show Obama was one of the finest presidents ever. Maybe not in W. Virginia. Just another socialist state in the South.

I don't think Obama was a Great President @Seamajor.
He was about average and @Garraty_47 pointed out some his shortcomings.

However, I do give him credit for orchestrating a rescue plan after the shitstorm his predicessor George W Bush had created. It was left up to the Obama administration to dig the US out of a major financial black hole left by his predecessor.

Those dolts over at TBC constantly deny that W Bush was not to blame, but a lot sure fell apart under his watch. Even leading Republicans such as Hank Paulson admitted that the World economy was in dire straits during the Bush administration:



I mean...it could be very well be that giving tax cuts out that a nation cant afford, starting all those major wars which had to be paid for, and then refusing to raise taxes at all costs had a lot to do with that financial collapse too

Oh, and turning a blind eye to the excesses of those on Wall Street and the Elites in his country as well.

Message to TBC - The Great 2008 Financial Crisis was NOT Clinton's fault.

 

[Admin.]

 

[Joe]

While I'm no fan of Trump I don't think he's to blame for the malaise in your country today @Admin.

He's a more a symptom of things gone wrong & if the festering problems had been addressed, Trump might not ever have come to power.

In spite of his transgressions, I don't think Trump was the worst President the US ever had.

 

[Admin.]

While I'm no fan of Trump I don't think he's to blame for the malaise in your country today @Admin.

He's a more a symptom of things gone wrong & if the festering problems had been addressed, Trump might not ever have come to power.

I agree, except for these "festering" problems are not insurmountable and Trump is not the guy that can fix them and he is a disgrace, as he represents the worst of our Country

 

[Weeg]

History will show Obama was one of the finest presidents ever. Maybe not in W. Virginia. Just another socialist state in the South.

Obama stated all the division! WORST EVER!!

 

[Admin.]

Obama stated all the division! WORST EVER!!

Why do you refuse to post your long form birth certificate?

 

[Lily]

Obama stated all the division! WORST EVER!!

Right?! He should have never been born black. Damn him.

 

[Joe]

Those presidential rankings are laden with political bias @Lily.

ie - George Washington was an unapologetic slaveowner who believed Blacks belonged on the plantation, and yet he gets this god-like status as the founder of your country.

Plus he didn't think anything of wiping out Native Americans or stealing their lands.

I believe as a soldier in the British Army he was involved in military campaigns to do so.

In other words, he didn't have much of a social conscience nor reflected the clause that "All Men are created Equal"

 

[Admin.]

Those presidential rankings are laden with political bias @Lily.

ie - George Washington was an unapologetic slaveowner who believed Blacks belonged on the plantation, and yet he gets this god-like status as the founder of your country.

Plus he didn't think anything of wiping out Native Americans or stealing their lands.

I believe as a soldier in the British Army he was involved in military campaigns to do so.

In other words, he didn't have much of a social conscience nor reflected the clause that "All Men are created Equal"

Ranking stuff is bias.

 

[Lily]

Those presidential rankings are laden with political bias @Lily.

ie - George Washington was an unapologetic slaveowner who believed Blacks belonged on the plantation, and yet he gets this god-like status as the founder of your country.

Plus he didn't think anything of wiping out Native Americans or stealing their lands.

I believe as a soldier in the British Army he was involved in military campaigns to do so.

In other words, he didn't have much of a social conscience nor reflected the clause that "All Men are created Equal"

Sure, it's opinion. True George Washington was a slaveowner and a colonist and behaved as such.

The most interesting part is that both Republicans and Democrats involved in the ranking, ranked Trump among the worst.

 

[Weeg]

Why do you refuse to post your long form birth certificate?

The Great Divider!!

 

[Lily]

The Great Divider!!

What did he do to divide Americans? Was it the tan suit?

 

[Admin.]

What did he do to divide Americans? Was it the tan suit?

No it was far worse than that, it was the mom jeans that divided the country!

 

[Lily]

No it was far worse than that, it was the mom jeans that divided the country!

Why come @Weeg makes statements and can never back them up with any narrative? Right, wrong, up, down...nothing.

 

[X]

Why come @Weeg makes statements and can never back them up with any narrative? Right, wrong, up, down...nothing.

It’s the hormones he takes to make his man-poosy …they make him loopy LOL

 

[Lily]

No it was far worse than that, it was the mom jeans that divided the country!

Michelle wore those shorts that one time. 'Member that?

 

[Admin.]

Michelle wore those shorts that one time. 'Member that?

And bared her shoulders!

 

[Ativan]

it won't matter who the president will be this country is fucked. may as well get used to it.

 

[Lily]

it won't matter who the president will be this country is fucked. may as well get used to it.

You're a cheerful sort.

 

[Alien Nosferatu]

We Niners like US presidents like Trump Reagan and Bush Jr. They created generations of lost unwanted humans that no one cares about when they go missing.

 

[Admin.]

At this new price they won't last, get yours now!