So, we DO live in a Multiverse?

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Google on Monday announced Willow, its latest, greatest quantum computing chip. The speed and reliability performance claims Google's made about this chip were newsworthy in themselves, but what really caught the tech industry's attention was an even wilder claim tucked into the blog post about the chip.

Google Quantum AI founder Hartmut Neven
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that this chip was so mind-boggling fast that it must have borrowed computational power from other universes.

Ergo the chip's performance indicates that parallel universes exist and "we live in a multiverse."


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What if any is the difference between a multiverse and the ancient theosophical (or Ouspenskyan) concept of Eternity?
. Just curious.
None a'tall. Psychology arises from materialistic processes. Eternity is just one attempt to articulate that which is genuinely perceived but which, as yet, is not mechanistically measurable.
 
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What if any is the difference between a multiverse and the ancient theosophical (or Ouspenskyan) concept of Eternity?
. Just curious.
Well this is what AI says. (Sorry, I misplaced my 8 BALL)

A multiverse is a hypothetical collection of multiple universes, meaning that beyond the observable universe, there could be other universes existing with potentially different physical laws and properties, essentially suggesting that our universe might not be the only one in existence; this concept is often discussed in cosmology and quantum mechanics, but currently remains unproven and largely theoretical.

Key points about the multiverse:
  • Multiple universes:
    The multiverse idea proposes that there are many separate universes, sometimes called "parallel universes" or "alternate universes", each with its own set of physical laws and conditions.

    • Beyond the observable universe:
      Since we can only observe a limited portion of the universe, the multiverse is thought to exist beyond this observable region.
    • Scientific theories:
      Several scientific theories, like eternal inflation in cosmology and the "many worlds" interpretation in quantum mechanics, could potentially support the existence of a multiverse.
    • No definitive proof:
      Currently, there is no direct evidence to prove the existence of a multiverse, making it a highly speculative concept


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      In Theosophy, "eternity" refers to a timeless, boundless, and immutable reality that underlies all existence, essentially a state beyond the limitations of linear time, where the true Self, or "Monad," exists as an unchanging, eternal aspect of the One Universal Principle, experiencing cycles of reincarnation through different lifetimes within the manifested universe; this concept is often described as "atemporal" rather than simply infinite duration.

      Key points about the Theosophical concept of eternity:
      • Beyond Time:
        Eternity is not simply infinite time, but a state that transcends time altogether, where the concept of "beginning" and "end" does not apply.

      • Universal Unity:
        The eternal aspect of a being is seen as part of a single, universal consciousness, meaning all souls are ultimately one with the divine source.

      • Cyclic Existence:
        While eternal in essence, individual consciousness experiences cyclical existence through reincarnation, where the soul incarnates repeatedly to learn and evolve.

      • Law of Karma:
        The concept of karma plays a key role in the Theosophical view of eternity, as actions in one life influence the experiences in future incarnations.

      How it relates to Theosophy's core principles:
      • The One Reality:
        Theosophy posits a single, underlying reality that is eternal, boundless, and immutable, which all manifested phenomena arise from.

      • Universal Brotherhood:
        The eternal nature of the soul implies a fundamental unity of all beings, regardless of their current physical form.

      • Evolution and Cycles:
        Theosophy views the universe as undergoing continuous cycles of evolution and involution, with eternity representing the unchanging core within these cycles.
 

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Following on from the 'cyclical universe' idea, scientists hypothesize that just as 'Big Bang' is posited as the beginning of the present cycle, the '
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' will terminate the present cycle.

But the Big Bang may have followed from a previous Big Crunch, meaning that, just one way to put it... the universe is breathing.
 

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Well this is what AI says. (Sorry, I misplaced my 8 BALL)

A multiverse is a hypothetical collection of multiple universes, meaning that beyond the observable universe, there could be other universes existing with potentially different physical laws and properties, essentially suggesting that our universe might not be the only one in existence; this concept is often discussed in cosmology and quantum mechanics, but currently remains unproven and largely theoretical.

Key points about the multiverse:
  • Multiple universes:
    The multiverse idea proposes that there are many separate universes, sometimes called "parallel universes" or "alternate universes", each with its own set of physical laws and conditions.

    • Beyond the observable universe:
      Since we can only observe a limited portion of the universe, the multiverse is thought to exist beyond this observable region.
    • Scientific theories:
      Several scientific theories, like eternal inflation in cosmology and the "many worlds" interpretation in quantum mechanics, could potentially support the existence of a multiverse.
    • No definitive proof:
      Currently, there is no direct evidence to prove the existence of a multiverse, making it a highly speculative concept


      AI Overview​

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      In Theosophy, "eternity" refers to a timeless, boundless, and immutable reality that underlies all existence, essentially a state beyond the limitations of linear time, where the true Self, or "Monad," exists as an unchanging, eternal aspect of the One Universal Principle, experiencing cycles of reincarnation through different lifetimes within the manifested universe; this concept is often described as "atemporal" rather than simply infinite duration.

      Key points about the Theosophical concept of eternity:
      • Beyond Time:
        Eternity is not simply infinite time, but a state that transcends time altogether, where the concept of "beginning" and "end" does not apply.

      • Universal Unity:
        The eternal aspect of a being is seen as part of a single, universal consciousness, meaning all souls are ultimately one with the divine source.

      • Cyclic Existence:
        While eternal in essence, individual consciousness experiences cyclical existence through reincarnation, where the soul incarnates repeatedly to learn and evolve.

      • Law of Karma:
        The concept of karma plays a key role in the Theosophical view of eternity, as actions in one life influence the experiences in future incarnations.

      How it relates to Theosophy's core principles:
      • The One Reality:
        Theosophy posits a single, underlying reality that is eternal, boundless, and immutable, which all manifested phenomena arise from.

      • Universal Brotherhood:
        The eternal nature of the soul implies a fundamental unity of all beings, regardless of their current physical form.

      • Evolution and Cycles:
        Theosophy views the universe as undergoing continuous cycles of evolution and involution, with eternity representing the unchanging core within these cycles.
So closer to Ouspensky then would you say?
 

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So closer to Ouspensky then would you say?
Pardons - the diagrams did not copy out from pages 1 and 2. Pictures count so please open to view.

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In Ouspensky’s formulation of three dimensions of time1 (New Model of Universe, 3rd edition, p 427), hestarts off with the usual idea of linear time, before-now-after. In studies of time there isa universal issue about our psychological perception of it: we havea ‘present moment’ only as long as a breath and then the moment is gone. If it were not for this quirk of nature, time might appear more like one of the spatial dimensions, with everything in the past in full focus instead of becoming increasingly hazy with the passage of time,and with thefuture laid outas if everything had already happened (at leastas far as the next turn in the road). Ouspensky goes on to consider ‘eternity’: what it is, where it lies. It is not ‘all time’, it is ‘out of time’. He draws thefollowing diagram: At each moment of time there is a perpendicular line of ‘perpetual now’ (nunc stans in medieval Christianity). He calls this perpendicular direction the ‘fifth dimension’. He speculates that parallel to our ‘historical’ line of time there may be other possible lines of time, shown as dotted lines. Each moment brings different possibilitiesand it is possible to swap from one line to the next asa different possibility is realised, so our progress on what is now a plane of thefourth and fifth dimensions is a zig-zag rather than a straight line. Perhaps he means something like thefollowing, where the dotted lines are unrealised possibilities: 1 By coincidence the idea of a second dimension of time is a topical issue

Supposethefull line is your life. If it is uneventful, there is no possibility of changeand it continues on in a straight line. Ata time of decision or crisis, change is possible: you might change your job or partner; maybe the new arrangement is what you should have done years ago; you have now switched to a time-line where this possibility existed but was not realised. Ouspensky goes on to consider the sixth dimension – out of the plane of the paper, in which all possibilities in the moment are realised. That is, only one possible line of time is followed in the fourth dimension, but all the possiblealternativesarefollowed as lines out of the plane of paper in the sixth dimension, so the time-line becomes asolid. Maybe in a previous life you had one job and in the present life another, so both time-lines exist. Hesays subsequently that three dimensionsaresensed by us as direction, duration and velocity. This needs somethought. Arguing that relativity theory shows thatall objects havea separatetimesystem, he writes: Separate time is always a completed circle. We can think of time as a straight line only on the great straight line of the great time. If the great time does not exist, every separate time can only be a circle, that is, a closed curve. But a circle or any closed curve requires two coordinates for its definition. The circle (circumference) is a two dimensional figure. If the second dimension of time is eternity, this means that eternity enters into every circle of time and into every moment of the circle of time. Eternity is the curvature of time. Eternity is also movement, an eternal movement. And if we imagine time as a circle or as any other closed curve, eternity will signify eternal movement along this curve, eternal repetition, eternal recurrence. The fifth dimension is movement in the circle, repetition, recurrence. The sixth dimension is the way out of the circle. If we imaginethat one end of the curve rises from the surface, we visualise thethird dimension of time – the sixth dimension of space. The line of time becomes a spiral.