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Now show me the historical record where Jesus is emboldened in truth.

It's not theology, it's history.

Show us all??????
 

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You never once answered the question...what do you fink aboot black and brown peeps?

Reading is critical. This is why people mock you and those like you. None of us BELIEVE you are intelligent.

It's either stupidity or delusion....or both. No one who says "millions died trying to prove Jesus was white" should ever claim to value "facts".

Delusional, ignorant and dishonest. Desperately trying to justify hatred.

FYI.....facts are communism is garbage. You support and defend a preverse imitation of Gods kingdom, it never has and never will work. You support suffering and death. Your mind is reprobate.


See. We can agree. Your Jesus absolved us all of sin. Not just the whites.

Well that isnt true at all.

Your first error here is inserting a race narrative. The bible says in many places to not judge by outward appearances. That vanity is a sin. God chose the Jewish people as the vehicle to bring forth the Messiah and accomplish the gospel. Beyond that race and skin color are irrelevant. And since then, that has extended well beyond jew or gentile. God is no respector of persons. Every living thing was made by God. You see birds and insects and fish all in a vast variety. Humans are no different in that regard. All various skin color and features show is that God enjoys variety in His creation.

Race is actually a sinful man made construct where what God made for good, humans use for evil. We see race being used for evil all the time. And you are part of that evil. Focusing on and using something as silly as skin tone to be hateful and divisive and tear people down. It's disgusting and sinful and it's a problem you should try to grow past. You wont....you enjoy using it as a partisan weapon because you dont have the sense to argue policy and you want to justify your own toxic hate of other human beings.

Christ absolved those who hear the words of their Shepard in the gospel. It's not everyone. Unless you believe and trust that Christ has covered you and you set about a life of repentance and turning away from sin you are not going to be in the flock. This is also said several times in the bible and by Christ Himself.

Scripture is not quotable as fact.

It IS when the topic is scripture and Christ and faith.

Your attempts to convolute this into some racist fantasy is delusion and ignorance.

Convolute what, your inability to physically reference Jesus historically without going full scripture?

See now this wasnt even the topic.


You keep flopping all over the place and jumping around from one point to the next.

It's not my job to help you follow exchanges.
 

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Literally fucking Google it, and show us the evidence as referenced in the greatest library since Alexandria Dovey...the evidence of your faith???????
 

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If Jesus was a Jew......would that mean He knew Mosiac and Levitical LAW?

Do you think He celebrated.......PASSOVER?

I'm floored. Absolutely FLOORED. Floored I say!!!

Not to be too picky here, Dovey, but there's a big difference between "Mosiac" and "Mosaic."

The former (actually, "Moshiach") refers to a future Jewish messiah whereas the latter refers to the laws set down by a Jew wandering in the desert with two stone tablets, a singed beard, and repetitive strain injury.

Was my context confusing? :D

No, but your subtext was.
 

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Let me assure everyone here of one simple undisputed historical fact. Jesus never existed.

Do you know much about the role of the Garter King of Arms in Scotland, as an historian?


I know much about Scotland, and I know much of it is more Hollywood Braveheart than the actual English Garter Kings.

I'm not keen to give you a sales job, but the Garter King of Arms holds the office of the Jacobite Historiographer Royal of the Royal House of Stewart. Here's a link to a 25 year old impeccably researched and footnoted book by one of them, about the aforementioned Jesus. If you want some "historical proof" this is probably as close to that discussion as you'll ever get.

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Let me assure everyone here of one simple undisputed historical fact. Jesus never existed.

Do you know much about the role of the Garter King of Arms in Scotland, as an historian?


I know much about Scotland, and I know much of it is more Hollywood Braveheart than the actual English Garter Kings.

I'm not keen to give you a sales job, but the Garter King of Arms holds the office of the Jacobite Historiographer Royal of the Royal House of Stewart. Here's a link to a 25 year old impeccably researched and footnoted book by one of them, about the aforementioned Jesus. If you want some "historical proof" this is probably as close to that discussion as you'll ever get.




And I have no desire to offend ye, I enjoy your work, but Jacobean heritage and heraldry and the continued lineage of the Tudor Kings, has fuck all to do wiff da Stuarts. The key is in continuation of English traditions, not Scottish via dat lineage.

Not even going to respond to the Holy Grail shite.
 

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"Virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that a historical human Jesus existed.
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Wiki is not a great source but there is so much info on this that Bland really has no excuse to show up claiming there was never a Jesus who walked the earth. The argument is was He divine. Did He really resurrect.

Kinda funny how many people were willing to claim as much and completely turn their back on their entire system and be ostracized and persecuted for it.
 

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Wiki is not a great source but there is so much info on this that Bland really has no excuse to show up claiming there was never a Jesus who walked the earth. The argument is was He divine. Did He really resurrect.

Kinda funny how many people were willing to claim as much and completely turn their back on their entire system and be ostracized and persecuted for it.


Listen lassie, I'm not asking for a cure fur cancer, just asking ye to post proof that the son of yer God existed.
 

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Who is US? Even people here who are NOT professing Christian's are telling you that you are wrong on this.

I have no clue if Foxy is a believer and it's not my place to ask if he hasnt offered that info....but even he is telling you it's not a debate.

Your mind is darkened. Truly.
 

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Let me assure everyone here of one simple undisputed historical fact. Jesus never existed.

Do you know much about the role of the Garter King of Arms in Scotland, as an historian?


I know much about Scotland, and I know much of it is more Hollywood Braveheart than the actual English Garter Kings.

I'm not keen to give you a sales job, but the Garter King of Arms holds the office of the Jacobite Historiographer Royal of the Royal House of Stewart. Here's a link to a 25 year old impeccably researched and footnoted book by one of them, about the aforementioned Jesus. If you want some "historical proof" this is probably as close to that discussion as you'll ever get.




And I have no desire to offend ye, I enjoy your work, but Jacobean heritage and heraldry and the continued lineage of the Tudor Kings, has fuck all to do wiff da Stuarts. The key is in continuation of English traditions, not Scottish via dat lineage.

Not even going to respond to the Holy Grail shite.


That's fine, and I have little interest in such matters either although I think there's substance to the notion of the Sangreal.

I'm recommending the book because it also includes a methodical search of historical record as to the core question, did Jesus exist.
 

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So I have a lass that has fucking immersed herself in a religion that she is now attempting to prove via Wikipedia?
 

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Wiki is not a great source but there is so much info on this that Bland really has no excuse to show up claiming there was never a Jesus who walked the earth. The argument is was He divine. Did He really resurrect.

Kinda funny how many people were willing to claim as much and completely turn their back on their entire system and be ostracized and persecuted for it.


Listen lassie, I'm not asking for a cure fur cancer, just asking ye to post proof that the son of yer God existed.

Yep. Asks for info. Gets a starting point. Completely ignores he was given a starting point.

As I said, God could legit tell you directly and youd still be denial.
 

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So I have a lass that has fucking immersed herself in a religion that she is now attempting to prove via Wikipedia?

Another goal post move.

You didnt ask for "proof" of any religion. Your dumb claim was that Jesus never existed. You are a certified idiot. And a gaslighter.
 

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Not sure here if the historicity of Jesus is even relevant.

The historicity of religious figures throughout the world--from Zhouang Zhou to Muhammad to Siddharta Gautama--impinges little on their respective doctrines. The life and times of highly hailed "illuminated persons" throughout history tend to be embellished and mythologized. To a man, they would urge followers to hew the message rather than to the messenger. This is also true in the context of politics and the other, rather more prosaic affairs, of humanity.
 

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One thing's for sure, ShekelScape doesn't say "Dat" irl or he'd get his cunt kicked in for talking like a prick up here... FACT! One of you bastards brought him here, THANKS! =(
 

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Not sure here if the historicity of Jesus is even relevant.

The historicity of religious figures throughout the world--from Zhouang Zhou to Muhammad to Siddharta Gautama--impinges little on their respective doctrines. The life and times of highly hailed "illuminated persons" throughout history tend to be embellished and mythologized. To a man, they would urge followers to hew the message rather than to the messenger. This is also true in the context of politics and the other, rather more prosaic affairs, of humanity.
Muhammad was a peado though, that's historical fact...
 

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You are a certified idiot. And a gaslighter.
so basically he's a liberal

Yep.

Asks where there is historical evidence of Jesus existing. Gets shown a source that leads to other known sources about the historical evidence of Jesus existing.

Says..... "tHiS dOeSnT pRovE uR rElIgIon!!"

These are the people who think they are intellectually superior :LOL3:

Just liars and gaslighters who just wanna hate other people.
 

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So I have a lass that has fucking immersed herself in a religion that she is now attempting to prove via Wikipedia?

Another goal post move.

You didnt ask for "proof" of any religion. Your dumb claim was that Jesus never existed. You are a certified idiot. And a gaslighter.


It could never be construed by anyone but you that asking you for proof of the very person your religious faith is based on could be construed as anything but a false positive?