The fucking carnival barker is selling perfume now

[LotusBud]

Kiiinda sorta does, though. Emoluments Clause says he can't enrich himself from foreign governments. Doesn't say shit about foreign individuals. So if he was soaking diplomats on bills to their persons -- and, sure, it's splitting hairs, but that is the nature of law, isn't it? -- that's not the same as overcharging the governments that send 'em.

ETA: When we start talking about legalistic shit like the Emoluments Clause, that's the time to bust out the strops and razors, sharpen up, and get down to hairs-splitting. That's where the convo demands absolute precision.

One thing I get on conservatives about, on the regular, is they wanna yelp, "TREEEEEEEEEEason!!!" every time a politician gets so much as a parking ticket, then get all flustered 'n' blustery when I ask 'em which formally declared enemy state we're at war with, and how that politician provided aid and comfort to that enemy state.

If we're gonna throw the first pitch in a game of Lawball, let's not fuck off to a game of Whac-A-Derp immediately afterward.

Do you ever get sick of your sycophantic apologistic predilections with your Orange Daddy?

 

[Murdy]

If, as Trump claims, "they all do it", then they should all face civil litigation for doing it. Or none of them should. No case should ever be brought based on who the target of the case is. That's disqualifying bias, in and of itself.

I’m not denying he could have provided proof this is industry standard to substantiate his defense, but corporate law is pretty clear imho.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

Do you ever get sick of your sycophantic apologistic predilections with your Orange Daddy?

Do you ever find yourself about to DD&B and then think, "Hmmm, nah, I'm not going to engage in sophistry this time"?

 

[Reggie_Essent]

Do you ever get sick of your sycophantic apologistic predilections with your Orange Daddy?

Do you ever have lucid moments?

 

[Jack]

AI:
When alleging corporate fraud, common causes of action include: fraudulent misrepresentation, breach of fiduciary duty, securities fraud, insider trading, mail fraud, wire fraud, racketeering influence and corrupt organizations act (RICO) violations, and unfair and deceptive trade practices; all of which require proving the defendant made a false statement with knowledge of its falsity, intent to deceive, justifiable reliance by the plaintiff, and resulting damages.

 

[LotusBud]

Do you ever have lucid moments?

You meant to ask courier that question, right?

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

I’m not denying he could have provided proof this is industry standard to substantiate his defense, but corporate law is pretty clear imho.

Yes, it is; that's almost beside the point, though. If this is common practice, and broadly known to be so, then singling out one guy to hold civilly liable for it is an instance of clear bias that ought to rise to the level of disqualification.

Imagine that, in your neighborhood, everybody litters. Bob the Beat Cop knows everybody litters -- but he decides to harass you for doing it despite never saying a peep to any of your neighbors. In that metaphor, it isn't littering that Bob has a problem with: he's targeted you.

 

[Murdy]

Yes, it is; that's almost beside the point, though. If this is common practice, and broadly known to be so, then singling out one guy to hold civilly liable for it is an instance of clear bias that ought to rise to the level of disqualification.

Imagine that, in your neighborhood, everybody litters. Bob the Beat Cop knows everybody litters -- but he decides to harass you for doing it despite never saying a peep to any of your neighbors. In that metaphor, it isn't littering that Bob has a problem with: he's targeted you.

“Broadly known to be” constitutes hearsay.

 

[Murdy]

The prosecution had the burden of proof here, which the initial pleading could have been rejected by the court. They clearly made their prima fascia case and the Judgment was entered via motion for summary judgment.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

“Broadly known to be” constitutes hearsay.

Legally, yeah. Call it, 'commonly understood to be standard practice'. But the point still stands: If they could go after anybody in that industry, but only target one guy, that BTFOs the impartiality requirement.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

Anyway, I'm not here to play Alan Shore about it; I'm just pointing out that if the judgment is vacated, here are some ideas as to why that might happen.

 

[Murdy]

Legally, yeah. Call it, 'commonly understood to be standard practice'. But the point still stands: If they could go after anybody in that industry, but only target one guy, that BTFOs the impartiality requirement.

I feel the same way about rapists… but here we are.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

I feel the same way about rapists… but here we are.

That's why I don't call it the 'justice system'; broadly and deeply, it's got exactly fuck-all to do with justice.

 

[Murdy]

That's why I don't call it the 'justice system'; broadly and deeply, it's got exactly fuck-all to do with justice.

Sometimes Lady Justice is hiding and we have to work and fight hard to find her.

 

[oldslowandugly]

All this has been researched and rejected. Why do you think it took so long? The judge did everything by the book, bent over backwards to accommodate the defense, while the orange turd attacked and threatened everyone even remotely associated with the case. Remember the gag orders? If anything, the judge deserves a medal for not banging the asshat in the head with his gavel for all the insults and threats. This is a done deal. The appeals court has one job. To see if the judge made any mistakes, was prejudiced, or there was evidence that was tampered with. If the laughable Habba defense sucked, too bad. That is on him for stiffing so many lawyers that only the asshole-iest will work for him. Forget about thinking he was 'targeted'. This is Shitty City. Financial crimes are an everyday occurrence. And when caught, they get prosecuted. All day long. About time the king of douche bags got caught. And let's not forget the rape/defamation cases. Not a very smart move to continue to commit the same stupid crime against the same victim. The first time was a nice $5 million slap. [the only one he himself posted the bond for the appeal. A billionaire, yeah, right.] The second time is a financial ass fucking. The appeals court may or may not decide the penalty was extreme. What's $355 million to a 'billionaire'? Pocket change. And don't forget that after he installed his blowjob-lipped daughter-in-law as the RNC boss, they robbed the RNC of millions to pay his legal bills. And bankrupted a couple of PACs. Billionaire. My ass.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

All this has been researched and rejected. Why do you think it took so long? The judge did everything by the book, bent over backwards to accommodate the defense, while the orange turd attacked and threatened everyone even remotely associated with the case. Remember the gag orders? If anything, the judge deserves a medal for not banging the asshat in the head with his gavel for all the insults and threats. This is a done deal. The appeals court has one job. To see if the judge made any mistakes, was prejudiced, or there was evidence that was tampered with. If the laughable Habba defense sucked, too bad. That is on him for stiffing so many lawyers that only the asshole-iest will work for him. Forget about thinking he was 'targeted'. This is Shitty City. Financial crimes are an everyday occurrence. And when caught, they get prosecuted. All day long. About time the king of douche bags got caught. And let's not forget the rape/defamation cases. Not a very smart move to continue to commit the same stupid crime against the same victim. The first time was a nice $5 million slap. [the only one he himself posted the bond for the appeal. A billionaire, yeah, right.] The second time is a financial ass fucking. The appeals court may or may not decide the penalty was extreme. What's $355 million to a 'billionaire'? Pocket change. And don't forget that after he installed his blowjob-lipped daughter-in-law as the RNC boss, they robbed the RNC of millions to pay his legal bills. And bankrupted a couple of PACs. Billionaire. My ass.

Are you by chance waiting for a comet to hit the earth?

 

[The New Holliday]

Are you by chance waiting for a comet to hit the earth?

Different guy....and it was a meteor.
. That reminds me. Need to pick up some sardines. LoLz

 

[Reggie_Essent]

Different guy....and it was a meteor.
. That reminds me. Need to pick up some sardines. LoLz

I guess cantankerous old fucks are all the same then. ;)

 

[Jack]

All this has been researched and rejected. Why do you think it took so long? The judge did everything by the book, bent over backwards to accommodate the defense, while the orange turd attacked and threatened everyone even remotely associated with the case. Remember the gag orders? If anything, the judge deserves a medal for not banging the asshat in the head with his gavel for all the insults and threats. This is a done deal. The appeals court has one job. To see if the judge made any mistakes, was prejudiced, or there was evidence that was tampered with. If the laughable Habba defense sucked, too bad. That is on him for stiffing so many lawyers that only the asshole-iest will work for him. Forget about thinking he was 'targeted'. This is Shitty City. Financial crimes are an everyday occurrence. And when caught, they get prosecuted. All day long. About time the king of douche bags got caught. And let's not forget the rape/defamation cases. Not a very smart move to continue to commit the same stupid crime against the same victim. The first time was a nice $5 million slap. [the only one he himself posted the bond for the appeal. A billionaire, yeah, right.] The second time is a financial ass fucking. The appeals court may or may not decide the penalty was extreme. What's $355 million to a 'billionaire'? Pocket change. And don't forget that after he installed his blowjob-lipped daughter-in-law as the RNC boss, they robbed the RNC of millions to pay his legal bills. And bankrupted a couple of PACs. Billionaire. My ass.

Taylor Swift could have paid it in full.

 

[Lily]

Taylor Swift could have paid it in full.

The Emperor has no clothes

 

[LotusBud]

That's why I don't call it the 'justice system'; broadly and deeply, it's got exactly fuck-all to do with justice.

Yup. Campbell can kill thousands with impunity, but Luigi goes to prison for killing Campbell. Justice, my ass.

 

[Lily]

Yup. Campbell can kill thousands with impunity, but Luigi goes to prison for killing Campbell. Justice, my ass.

We live in a country that thrives on legal corruption, for now. Look at the incoming administration. They're going to make Nixon's corruption look like child's play.

The whole system is rigged. Look at the levers of power. Whose hands are they in? Every branch of government. The system of checks and balances is gone...at least for 2 years...and maybe for much longer.

The morons refuse to see it. Big daddy just admitted that food prices will be too difficult to decrease. That's just one lie exposed before he even takes office.

We are living in precarious times. I hope the MAGAts enjoy eating "gloat"...that may be all they have that they can afford.

 

[Murdy]

We live in a country that thrives on legal corruption, for now. Look at the incoming administration. They're going to make Nixon's corruption look like child's play.

The whole system is rigged. Look at the levers of power. Whose hands are they in? Every branch of government. The system of checks and balances is gone...at least for 2 years...and maybe for much longer.

The morons refuse to see it. Big daddy just admitted that food prices will be too difficult to decrease. That's just one lie exposed before he even takes office.

We are living in precarious times. I hope the MAGAts enjoy eating "gloat"...that may be all they have that they can afford.

the problem is ALL those in power are taking advantage of the system, which any system has loopholes... this is why corporations hire watchdogs aka managers who terrorize staff to avoid these complications.

Whooooo DAFUQ is watching these assholes?????

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

going to

 

[Murdy]

OMG this is like watching a televangelist mesmerize his audience into subservient, lucrative obedience.

SMH

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

OMG this is like watching a televangelist mesmerize his audience into subservient, lucrative obedience.

SMH

I don't know that the incoming administration will be corrupt. I don't know that it won't be.

And, crucially: Neither does anyone else, until one or the other actually happens.

 

[Murdy]

I don't know that the incoming administration will be corrupt. I don't know that it won't be.

And, crucially: Neither does anyone else, until one or the other actually happens.

But unlike you... I didn't BANK on it.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

But unlike you... I didn't BANK on it.

How is that unlike me?

 

[Admin.]

I don't know that the incoming administration will be corrupt. I don't know that it won't be.

And, crucially: Neither does anyone else, until one or the other actually happens.

Trump has always been a con man, what makes you think that at 78 Years he is suddenly going stop cold turkey not being a conman (have you paid any attention to the pack of stooges he is nominating?) think for one small example grocery prices.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

Trump has always been a con man, what makes you think that at 78 Years he is suddenly going stop cold turkey not being a conman (have you paid any attention to the pack of stooges he is nominating?) think for one small example grocery prices.

That would have quite a lot more persuasive power if we hadn't all been alive from 2016-2020.

As it stands, though, the worry is based on assumptions not in evidence. And you're free to worry on that basis if you want to.

As for me, I find assumptions not in evidence to be an unnecessary and counterproductive stress vector.