The Rich Don't Pay Their Fair Share

[Lily]

The incredible shrinking face!

Lol...so.much forehead and the gumline...

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Dude, you are just as much to blame as anyone in this thread for losing focus.

That is one of the things I love about this place. Nobody is able to have a proper debate because somebody is always going off on tangents.

It makes me laugh (in a condescending way).

The upper class is majority dem by almost 10% more so when Bernie Sanders says billionaires don't pay enough. He's talking about fellow democrats like himself.

What other focus is there? I already made my point.

 

[Lily]

The upper class is majority dem by almost 10% more so when Bernie Sanders says billionaires don't pay enough. He's talking about fellow democrats like himself.

What other focus is there? I already made my point.

He's not in the billionaire class. Geez, that was a quick fall on your face.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Churches don't only feed the poor with those funds. And isn't it their obligation to do so?

It's in the Gospel of Matthew, dude.

So you deflect conservatives donating more by saying donating to churches doesn't really count because even though they feed the poor they also do other things with the money?

ALLLLLLRRRIIIIIIIIGHTYYYYYY THHHHHHEEEEENNN.

You got me. My point stands. Oh yeah, they could also give some money to youth programs.

Those evil fucking stupid churches!

 

[Lily]

So you deflect conservatives donating more by saying donating to churches doesn't really count because even though they feed the poor they also do other things with the money?

ALLLLLLRRRIIIIIIIIGHTYYYYYY THHHHHHEEEEENNN.

You got me. My point stands. Oh yeah, they could also give some money to youth programs.

Those evil fucking stupid churches!

There are plenty of people that conservatives could help that may not go to churches.

Like kids aging out of foster care, homeless programs, domestic violence prevention organizations, etc,

That's what I meant. They could help more people...lots more, actually.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Sure, Slopey. I believe you. A lot of Electricians have a very refined, cultured and moneyed taste in Persian rugs, fine ceramics, beautiful sail boats and walled compounds in Costa Rica ... and Bromeliads.

The Bromeliads and Cacti were a tell, you know.

Are you implying SeaMajor liking poseys means he might be a gay?

That in addition to a pegleg he appreciates a pegging?

You can't flame here.

This is a very refined shithole.

Nice try though!

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Why do you choose to be obtuse? No one said the churches are stupid for helping poor people -- the ones that do actually do that, anyway. The point is, it isn't the fucking churches' responsibility, and leaving it to churches is perverse and evil.

Tell that to the 8 or so Democrats that shut down the government for 40 days so illegals could have health insurance or whatever other fairy tale they are currently pushing.

Meanwhile I have friends working in gov't who unlike reps & senators didn't get paid for 40 fucking days thanks to idiots who sit on carpets over gun legislation or wear white for state of unions, who kneel with kente cloth scarves over george floyd. The clowns of this reality.

Can they roll up their sleeves and actually get to work or just sit on their fucking hands & protest everything under the sun? I'm over it.

These people you vote for are like tik tok influencers with no value add. The audience of 'The View' even booed John Fetterman. A guy who recovered from a stroke has more sense than some of these useless idiots.

This is why I will always lean conservative.

Because substance beats style every day of the week & twice on Sundays.

These people dress up to be fake. Some republicans aren't any better but you wanna know what? Republicans aren't clones. They won't all sit on a dirty carpet to be ONE with each other to curry votes & virtue signal.

You make fun of churches & people who go to them as hypocrites who sin while attending church, forgetting your dem friends claim to work for working people while allowing them to go without pay for 40 days.

This is why democrats aren't as funny. They don't truly understand IRONY.

Rant over.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

He's not in the billionaire class. Geez, that was a quick fall on your face.

I didn't say Bernie was.

I said. Bernie said. Billionaires. Aren't. Paying. Their. Fair. Share.

Billionaires. Are. Majority. Democrats.

Physician. Heal. Thyself.

@The Prowler thinks I made this thread to debate.

I. Did. Not.

I made it as a statement in fact.

 

[Lily]

Tell that to the 8 or so Democrats that shut down the government for 40 days so illegals could have health insurance or whatever other fairy tale they are currently pushing.

Meanwhile I have friends working in gov't who unlike reps & senators didn't get paid for 40 fucking days thanks to idiots who sit on carpets over gun legislation or wear white for state of unions, who kneel with kente cloth scarves over george floyd. The clowns of this reality.

Can they roll up their sleeves and actually get to work or just sit on their fucking hands & protest everything under the sun? I'm over it.

These people you vote for are like tik tok influencers with no value add. The audience of 'The View' even booed John Fetterman. A guy who recovered from a stroke has more sense than some of these useless idiots.

This is why I will always lean conservative.

Because substance beats style every day of the week & twice on Sundays.

These people dress up to be fake. Some republicans aren't any better but you wanna know what? Republicans aren't clones. They won't all sit on a dirty carpet to be ONE with each other to curry votes & virtue signal.

You make fun of churches & people who go to them as hypocrites who sin while attending church, forgetting your dem friends claim to work for working people while allowing them to go without pay for 40 days.

This is why democrats aren't as funny. They don't truly understand IRONY.

Rant over.

Americans on the ACA was and is the issue. And now that premuims have doubled and tripled for many, it will be next autumn.

tick tock tick tock

 

[The Prowler]

The upper class is majority dem by almost 10% more so when Bernie Sanders says billionaires don't pay enough. He's talking about fellow democrats like himself.

What other focus is there? I already made my point.

Not effectively.

You need to argue the point better before going off on tangents.

Part of the problem is that I see holes in your argument, but your opponents do not. So they do not poke holes that they should...so you never address the holes because you are unaware of them. And I sit here waiting for someone to address them, but it never happens.

 

[The Prowler]

Billionaires. Are. Majority. Democrats.

You did not provide the stats to back that up.

Not everyone in the Upper Class is a billionaire.

It is a possibility that the vast majority of the small portion of Upper Class who are billionaires are Republican.

It would be flawed to assume the Democrats and Republican ratio (i.e. the distribution) is consistent throughout the entire range of income levels included in the Upper Class.

But you made that assumption.

 

[Lily]

I didn't say Bernie was.

I said. Bernie said. Billionaires. Aren't. Paying. Their. Fair. Share.

Billionaires. Are. Majority. Democrats.

Physician. Heal. Thyself.

@The Prowler thinks I made this thread to debate.

I. Did. Not.

I made it as a statement in fact.

Prove that.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

You did not provide the stats to back that up.

Not everyone in the Upper Class is a billionaire.

It is a possibility that the vast majority of the small portion of Upper Class who are billionaires are Republican.

It would be flawed to assume the Democrats and Republican ratio (i.e. the distribution) is consistent throughout the entire range of income levels included in the Upper Class.

But you made that assumption.

I appreciate your input young man but if majority dems have a college degree & majority of upper earners upper earn through a college degree than correlation by association they are dems.

I don't assume anything.

I, like Sherlock Holmes eliminate the impossible leaving whatever remains, however improbable to be the truth.

I save my tangents for Meltdown.

When you say you have a Vette...

It could be a corvette...

... or a chevette...

Again... I assume nothing Bro. I'm sceptical until death take me.

 

[Lily]

I appreciate your input young man but if majority dems have a college degree & majority of upper earners upper earn through a college degree than correlation by association they are dems.

I don't assume anything.

I, like Sherlock Holmes eliminate the impossible leaving whatever remains, however improbable to be the truth.

I save my tangents for Meltdown.

There is a difference between middle and upper middle classes and billionaires. By, well, a LOT of money.

Billionaires don't even pay income taxes the way the upper middle classes most likely do. For shame, you don't even understand what wealthy actually is...

How do you not?

 

[The Prowler]

I appreciate your input young man but if majority dems have a college degree & majority of upper earners upper earn through a college degree than correlation by association they are dems.

I don't assume anything.

I, like Sherlock Holmes eliminate the impossible leaving whatever remains, however improbable to be the truth.

I save my tangents for Meltdown.

When you say you have a Vette...

It could be a corvette...

... or a chevette...

Again... I assume nothing Bro. I'm sceptical until death take me.

I know math is hard for a lot of people, so I will give you an example that would satisfy the requirement that your stats are accurate, and billionaires being majority Republican.


Of the Upper Income bracket, 95% are not billionaires, 5% are billionaires.

Of the billionaires, 100% are Republican. That accounts for 5/46 of the 46% of Upper Income who are Republican.

Of the non-billionaires, 43.15789473684211% are Republicans. That accounts for the other 41/46 of the 46% of Upper Income who are Republican.

Of the non-billionaires, 55.78947368421053 are Democrats. That accounts for 100% of the 53% of Upper Income who are Democrats.

In this example, billionaires are 100% Republican, and the statistics that your provided would still be accurate.


Do you understand now how you failed to proves that "Billionaires. Are. Majority. Democrats."?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

I know math is hard for a lot of people, so I will give you an example that would satisfy the requirement that your stats are accurate, and billionaires being majority Republican.


Of the Upper Income bracket, 95% are not billionaires, 5% are billionaires.

Of the billionaires, 100% are Republican. That accounts for 5/46 of the 46% of Upper Income who are Republican.

Of the non-billionaires, 43.15789473684211% are Republicans. That accounts for the other 41/46 of the 46% of Upper Income who are Republican.

Of the non-billionaires, 55.78947368421053 are Democrats. That accounts for 100% of the 53% of Upper Income who are Democrats.

In this example, billionaires are 100% Republican, and the statistics that your provided would still be accurate.


Do you understand now how you failed to proves that "Billionaires. Are. Majority. Democrats."?

You didn't cite sources.

Google billionaires and which party and you won't get an answer.

Because search is so fucking dumb it tries to tell you which party the billionaires donated to... NOT THE POLITICAL PARTY OF THE BILLIONAIRES.

So when you say 100% of billionaires are Republican. Awesome. Source?

Right.

 

[Lily]

Most people put their money with those they politically support. It's obvious who has their financial interests in mind. The GOP.


While political affiliations vary, recent data on campaign contributions indicates that most US billionaires and billionaire families who engage in politics financially support the Republican Party (GOP) more than the Democratic Party.
Key findings from analyses of political contributions:

• Overall Spending: In the 2024 election cycle, 100 billionaire families donated a combined $2.6 billion, with approximately 70% of those contributions going to Republican candidates and conservative causes.
• Specific Donors: Analyses of the top individual and family donors consistently show a majority lean toward the GOP. Eight of the ten biggest billionaire-family contributors in the 2024 cycle almost exclusively backed Republicans.
• Shifting Trends: While historically some individual billionaires, particularly from the tech sector or specific regions, have supported Democrats, the overall trend among the wealthiest donors is a preference for the Republican Party.
• Super PACs: A significant portion of these donations go to super PACs, which can accept unlimited contributions. The two GOP congressional super PACs have received three-quarters of the contributions to the four major congressional super PACs.

Information on specific political giving can be tracked through organizations like

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

, which compiles and analyzes data from the Federal Election Commission (FEC).

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Most people put their money with those they politically support. It's obvious who has their financial interests in mind. The GOP.


While political affiliations vary, recent data on campaign contributions indicates that most US billionaires and billionaire families who engage in politics financially support the Republican Party (GOP) more than the Democratic Party.
Key findings from analyses of political contributions:

• Overall Spending: In the 2024 election cycle, 100 billionaire families donated a combined $2.6 billion, with approximately 70% of those contributions going to Republican candidates and conservative causes.
• Specific Donors: Analyses of the top individual and family donors consistently show a majority lean toward the GOP. Eight of the ten biggest billionaire-family contributors in the 2024 cycle almost exclusively backed Republicans.
• Shifting Trends: While historically some individual billionaires, particularly from the tech sector or specific regions, have supported Democrats, the overall trend among the wealthiest donors is a preference for the Republican Party.
• Super PACs: A significant portion of these donations go to super PACs, which can accept unlimited contributions. The two GOP congressional super PACs have received three-quarters of the contributions to the four major congressional super PACs.

Information on specific political giving can be tracked through organizations like

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

, which compiles and analyzes data from the Federal Election Commission (FEC).

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Summary of Support

Metric	Kamala Harris	Donald Trump
Number of Billionaires	More (approx. 83)	Fewer (approx. 52)
Total Money from Billionaires	Less overall	More overall
Key Donors	Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, Dustin Moskovitz	Timothy Mellon, Elon Musk, Miriam Adelson

Again, so Prowler saying 100% of billionaires are Republican.

I just debunked that easily.

Lily saying more gave to GOP? More money maybe. But more billionaires gave to DNC. Period.

I handily debunked that too.


I would also like to take full 110% credit for bringing @Lily & @The Prowler together in trying to battle me.

I'm smoother than a Kahlua mudslide.

 

[Larry Loungelizard]

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Summary of Support

Metric	Kamala Harris	Donald Trump
Number of Billionaires	More (approx. 83)	Fewer (approx. 52)
Total Money from Billionaires	Less overall	More overall
Key Donors	Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, Dustin Moskovitz	Timothy Mellon, Elon Musk, Miriam Adelson

Again, so Prowler saying 100% of billionaires are Republican.

I just debunked that easily.

Lily saying more gave to GOP? More money maybe. But more billionaires gave to DNC. Period.

I handily debunked that too.


I would also like to take full 110% credit for bringing @Lily & @The Prowler together in trying to battle me.

I'm smoother than a diarrhea fart.

Do tell.

 

[Lily]

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Summary of Support

Metric	Kamala Harris	Donald Trump
Number of Billionaires	More (approx. 83)	Fewer (approx. 52)
Total Money from Billionaires	Less overall	More overall
Key Donors	Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, Dustin Moskovitz	Timothy Mellon, Elon Musk, Miriam Adelson

Again, so Prowler saying 100% of billionaires are Republican.

I just debunked that easily.

Lily saying more gave to GOP? More money maybe. But more billionaires gave to DNC. Period.

I handily debunked that too.


I would also like to take full 110% credit for bringing @Lily & @The Prowler together in trying to battle me.

I'm smoother than a Kahlua mudslide.

Well, there seem to be competing data about where billionaires gave.

We have different sources saying different things.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Well, there seem to be competing data about where billionaires gave.

We have different sources saying different things.

Maybe billionaires gave more money to all GOP races more? But gave specifically to Harris more for prez race? I'm not sure.

But I'll throw in some fun math since @The Prowler is hooked on math.

In my source:

83 billionaires donated to Harris.
52 billionaires donated to Trump.
135 total billionaires here.

AI Overview query total number of billionaires in USA:
"The number of billionaires in the United States is reported to be around 1,135 as of late 2025."

135 ÷ 1,135 = 11.89% sampling of billionaires.
83 ÷ 135 = 61%
52 ÷ 135 = 39%

In a sample of 11% of billionaires, 61% of them donated Dem & 39% donated Repub. (For Trump v Harris from source I found.)

1,135 x 61% = 692 possible Democrat billionaires.
1,135 x 39% = 442 possible Republican billionaires

I'm not going to end this on a snarky tone because I thoroughly enjoyed this debate & I think we know sources like graphs can be turned & twisted as well.

 

[The Prowler]

You didn't cite sources.

Google billionaires and which party and you won't get an answer.

Because search is so fucking dumb it tries to tell you which party the billionaires donated to... NOT THE POLITICAL PARTY OF THE BILLIONAIRES.

So when you say 100% of billionaires are Republican. Awesome. Source?

Right.

Are you pretending to be stupid?

 

[The Prowler]

Again, so Prowler saying 100% of billionaires are Republican.

Holy fuck, you are dense.

This is what I said:

I will give you an example

Recap:

You presented statistics.

Then you suggested that those statistics proved something that they do not.


So I provided you with an easy example of distribution of Upper Income people that would

A) Align with your statistics.
B) Disprove what you suggested.


Just to help you understand that your statistics did not prove you assertion.

That is it.

That is all.


In other words, you jumped to a conclusion.

In other words, you are fuckin' dumb.

 

[The Prowler]

I would also like to take full 110% credit for bringing @Lily & @The Prowler together in trying to battle me.

Battle you?

I was trying to help you understand that what you presented was not enough to reach the conclusion that you reached.


Apparently you understand now, because you are reaching-out to other sources.

But you lack the self esteem to just thank me and move on.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Battle you?

I was trying to help you understand that what you presented was not enough to reach the conclusion that you reached.


Apparently you understand now, because you are reaching-out to other sources.

But you lack the self esteem to just thank me and move on.

My last post before this one pretty much means you won't be back.

I'm dun here. I wun.

 

[The Prowler]

My last post before this one pretty much means you won't be back.

I'm dun here. I wun.

You still do not understand that the OP did not prove what you claimed it proved.

I even gave you an example to help you understand, but you cannot figure it out.

Helping you grow a brain is beyond even my abilities.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

You still do not understand that the OP did not prove what you claimed it proved.

I even gave you an example to help you understand, but you cannot figure it out.

Helping you grow a brain is beyond even my abilities.

"According to a

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

report, among upper-income voters, 53% are Democrats or Democratic leaners. Billionaires and wealthy individuals often hedge their bets, contributing to both parties to ensure influence regardless of the election outcome. "

I tend to put quotes around stuff that isn't mine.

Contrary to you....

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Of the billionaires, 100% are Republican. That accounts for 5/46 of the 46% of Upper Income who are

You ripped the "5/46" line straight from AI overview & didn't even bother to wrap it in quotes.

So sad.

 

[The Prowler]

You ripped the "5/46" line straight from AI overview & didn't even bother to wrap it in quotes.

So sad.

AI overview!!

Hahahahahaha!!!!

Buddy, you are really dumb. I was trying to keep the math as simple as possible so you could understand that your stats did not prove what you claimed they prove.

Like I used AI. What an absolutely retarded thing to say.