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When you were being deceived by the dishonest government and MSM, I can understand that you were trusting because of your fears of a pandemic. People were desperate and wanted protection.

But now that we are seeing the negative impacts of the vaccines, as medical experts and scientists predicted, you really should face the facts.
 

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When you were being deceived by the dishonest government and MSM, I can understand that you were trusting because of your fears of a pandemic. People were desperate and wanted protection.

But now that we are seeing the negative impacts of the vaccines, as medical experts and scientists predicted, you really should face the facts.
Ya it's not like the government would lie to its people for control and financial gains
 

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The vaccines have damaged people's innate immune systems.

"The risk of COVID-19 also varied by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously received. The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19"

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The study's conclusion was that the bivalent vaccine's effectiveness against getting Covid-19 was "modest". What it doesn't address, which is the most important thing about a vaccine, is whether it prevents or reduces serious impacts and death.

The study you provided affirms that it was modestly effective at preventing Covid-19. It is inaccurate for you vaccine deniers to say that vaccines are supposed to 100% prevent a disease. That is child-like thinking. No one promises complete protection.

Just like condoms cannot protect you 100% from getting a sexually transmitted infection.


"How do vaccines work?​

Vaccines help your immune system fight infections faster and more effectively. When you get a vaccine, it sparks your immune response, helping your body fight off and remember the germ so it can attack it if the germ ever invades again. And since vaccines are made of very small amounts of weak or dead germs, they won’t make you sick.

Vaccines often provide long-lasting immunity to serious diseases without the risk of serious illness."

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The study's conclusion was that the bivalent vaccine's effectiveness against getting Covid-19 was "modest". What it doesn't address, which is the most important thing about a vaccine, is whether it prevents or reduces serious impacts and death.

The study you provided affirms that it was modestly effective at preventing Covid-19. It is inaccurate for you vaccine deniers to say that vaccines are supposed to 100% prevent a disease. That is child-like thinking. No one promises complete protection.

Just like condoms cannot protect you 100% from getting a sexually transmitted infection.


"How do vaccines work?​

Vaccines help your immune system fight infections faster and more effectively. When you get a vaccine, it sparks your immune response, helping your body fight off and remember the germ so it can attack it if the germ ever invades again. And since vaccines are made of very small amounts of weak or dead germs, they won’t make you sick.

Vaccines often provide long-lasting immunity to serious diseases without the risk of serious illness."

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But muh buddy at the VFW Hall says his cousin died!
 

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The study's conclusion was that the bivalent vaccine's effectiveness against getting Covid-19 was "modest"

"while the virus strains dominant in the community were those represented in the vaccine"

You have to read the entire sentence. They give you a vaccine for a specific strain, and it is modestly effective against that strain only. And then it leaves you more vulnerable to all the other strains, and as a little bonus, all other infectious diseases.

The study you provided affirms that it was modestly effective at preventing Covid-19.

That is inaccurate. Considering all strains, vaccinated people are getting Covid-19 more often.

Zero doses gives you the best protection against Covid-19.

Look at the chart:

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It is inaccurate for you vaccine deniers to say that vaccines are supposed to 100% prevent a disease. That is child-like thinking. No one promises complete protection.

Just like condoms cannot protect you 100% from getting a sexually transmitted infection.

Who is a "vaccine denier"?

I follow the science. And there was overwhelming evidence that these vaccines were dangerous.

And I am not even going into the timing of the distribution of the vaccines, even if there were effective without serious side-effects. The timing was dangerous and a virus that might have been contained and eradicated is now here to stay.

"How do vaccines work?

I am aware of how vaccines work.

I am also aware that some vaccines have been rushed to the market before proper research has been completed to demonstrate their safety.

Is this what gaslighting feels like?

I point out a study that clearly shows that, and I quote....

"the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19"

"The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19 (
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...
and you try to twist it into me saying "Vaccinezzz never workzzzz!!!!"

??


It is unfortunate that we are all being faced with this reality.

It is unfortunate that death rates all over the world are higher than ever with no clear explanation from the medical/scientific community.

It is unfortunate that the powers that be are now conditioning everyone to relax and prepare to receive their new Covid-19 booster shots.

It is unfortunate that when presented with real science, people still blindly follow people like Anthony Fauci when more qualified scientists issue dire warnings.
 

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"while the virus strains dominant in the community were those represented in the vaccine"

You have to read the entire sentence. They give you a vaccine for a specific strain, and it is modestly effective against that strain only. And then it leaves you more vulnerable to all the other strains, and as a little bonus, all other infectious diseases.



That is inaccurate. Considering all strains, vaccinated people are getting Covid-19 more often.

Zero doses gives you the best protection against Covid-19.

Look at the chart:

F2.large.jpg




Who is a "vaccine denier"?

I follow the science. And there was overwhelming evidence that these vaccines were dangerous.

And I am not even going into the timing of the distribution of the vaccines, even if there were effective without serious side-effects. The timing was dangerous and a virus that might have been contained and eradicated is now here to stay.



I am aware of how vaccines work.

I am also aware that some vaccines have been rushed to the market before proper research has been completed to demonstrate their safety.

Is this what gaslighting feels like?

I point out a study that clearly shows that, and I quote....

"the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19"

"The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19 (
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)."

...
and you try to twist it into me saying "Vaccinezzz never workzzzz!!!!"

??


It is unfortunate that we are all being faced with this reality.

It is unfortunate that death rates all over the world are higher than ever with no clear explanation from the medical/scientific community.

It is unfortunate that the powers that be are now conditioning everyone to relax and prepare to receive their new Covid-19 booster shots.

It is unfortunate that when presented with real science, people still blindly follow people like Anthony Fauci when more qualified scientists issue dire warnings.

Their conclusion, NOT MINE, was that the bivalent vaccine is modestly effective. You don't get to gaslight and take their words and twist them, not with me.

You prove that they didn't say it. Because I can copy and paste the text where they said it. Do I really need to do it?
Really?

You provide ONE study that says that the vaccine(s) were in fact, dangerous. Just one study from Lancet, JAMA, Infectious Diseases, etc. or other legitimate peer-reviewed scientific journal.
 

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Their conclusion, NOT MINE, was that that bivalent vaccine is modestly effective. You don't get to gaslight and take their words and twist them, not with me.

You prove that they didn't say it. Because I can copy and paste the text where they said it. Do I really need to do it?
Really?

You provide ONE study that says that the vaccine(s) were in fact dangerous. Just one study from Lancet, JAMA, Infectious Diseases, etc.
You prove that they didn't say it. Because I can copy and paste the text where they said it. Do I really need to do it?"
Really?

and even if you did.....
 

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But muh buddy at the VFW Hall says his cousin died!
I read on Breitbart that everyone who took the vaxx died, and so did their future grand kids too!

That statistics are showing high death rates in countries with high vaccination rates all over the world.

And they are not dying from Covid-19.

I cannot believe that so many people are ignorant to the fact that many vaccines have side-effects; many of them deadly.
 

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That statistics are showing high death rates in countries with high vaccination rates all over the world.

And they are not dying from Covid-19.

I cannot believe that so many people are ignorant to the fact that many vaccines have side-effects; many of them deadly.

Imagine that, people are still dying, from all other causes, in countries where vaccines were provided. I guess humans need to stop dying from cancer, heart disease, so on and so forth because there are Covid-19 vaccines.
 

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Their conclusion, NOT MINE, was that the bivalent vaccine is modestly effective. You don't get to gaslight and take their words and twist them, not with me.

Maybe you are misunderstanding what was said.

Can you provide a direct quote of the entire sentence that led you to believe the vaccine is effective?
 

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You provide ONE study that says that the vaccine(s) were in fact, dangerous. Just one study from Lancet, JAMA, Infectious Diseases, etc. or other legitimate peer-reviewed scientific journal.

No.

You are experiencing cognitive dissonance and I am not going to increase your discomfort.
 

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Yes, he would deny that it is printed in the study, because that's what vaccine deniers do...LIE.

I gave you direct quotes:

"the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19"

"The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19 (
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people are still dying

At a much higher rate than pre-Covid-19 times.

Not only that, and I know this is going to require some actual thought and logic, many of the old and sickly people were killed off by Covid-19, so we would expect that death rates would actually be much lower than the pre-Covid-19 death rates.

But the death rates are higher. Much higher.
 

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I gave you direct quotes:

"the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19"

"The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19 (
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and a pretty picture:

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No.

You are experiencing cognitive dissonance and I am not going to increase your discomfort.

No, because you cannot. End of...
 

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At a much higher rate than pre-Covid-19 times.

Not only that, and I know this is going to require some actual thought and logic, many of the old and sickly people were killed off by Covid-19, so we would expect that death rates would actually be much lower than the pre-Covid-19 death rates.

But the death rates are higher. Much higher.

Do you have any scientific evidence that higher death rates are caused by Covid-19 or Covid-19 vaccines?

Not your gaslighting, but EVIDENCE.
 

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I gave you direct quotes:

"the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19"

"The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19 (
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)."


and a pretty picture:

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You are the one taking things out of context and not providing the entire passages. Gaslighter.
 

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He actually is blaming covid and/or vaccines for higher death rates somewhere, not even sure where. That's all the right does, gaslight...for FREEDUMB!
With the recent uptick in Covid, I am hearing what seems like even more people than before (admittedly not from a scientific sampling, but..) planning to remain unvaxxed, perhaps that is part of Darwin's plan