Wayne Gretzky - a Trump Collaborator or Canada's Savior?

[Joe]

Many Canadians have been quick to criticize Gretzky for his close association with Trump:



But is this really a bad thing?

I think the opposite

Maybe it's good. Because G might prevent Trump from punishing Canada too much.

Gretzky is the face of Canada Trump evidently adores. So perhaps Gretzky is more of an asset than a liability to Canada. A goodwill ambassador that makes Trump think Canada is still not a hostile nation to him

Trump adores Gretzky as much as he hates Mexico.

So keep his hate South of the border not North.

 

[Scooter]

Trump should get a Alex Ovechkin jersey and attend some games.

 

[Admin.]

Trump should get a Alex Ovechkin jersey and attend some games.

How much would you be willing to pay to sniff one of Trump's farts?

 

[Scooter]

I thought this thread was about hockey. Then again, it is a Joe thread. And Admin. has fart-sniffing on his mind.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

a Trump Collaborator or Canada's Savior?​

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If you genuinely supported Democracy, rather than Bureaucracy, you'd recognize that those two things not only can be, but are, the same thing.

 

[Joe]

If you genuinely supported Democracy, rather than Bureaucracy, you'd recognize that those two things not only can be, but are, the same thing.

Some of your points might be valid @The Question & the failings of the neo-liberal state of the previous Democratic administration.

Same time, what you have now in the US isn't conservatism. More like Far Right neo-conservatism - meaning the ones the top expect the lower and middle classes to swallow the economic pain but the top 1% still get huge tax breaks while they make no sacrifices to address the US National Debt. They get their cake and are able to eat it.

5 billionaires in the US own more than the bottom 50% of the population.

That doesn't seem to be a very fair arrangement.

 

[The Prowler]

That doesn't seem to be a very fair arrangement.

Always the victim.

 

[Joe]

Always the victim.

Bottom line - Trump/Musk's debt reduction plan isn't gonna work Lex @The Prowler

The whole point of DOGE is to bring the US budget deficits and National Debt under control.

Instead the House passed a bill providing $4.5 Trillion dollars in tax cuts which will primarily benefit the wealthy in America.

However, the US National Debt is still projected to soar under this economic plan.

Can you suggest a better way or an improvement to this plan, Lex?

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

More like Far Right neo-conservatism...

"Far right" compared to what marker?

The context is important. The Overton Window matters. So far right compared to who? JFK? Ronald Reagan? Karl Marx?

The Overton Window has shifted so far left that John F. Kennedy Jr. would be considered 'far right' today.

And bear this in mind: Trump wasn't originally a Republican. Neither was Musk. Or Tulsi Gabbard. Or RFK Jr. Or so many members of his administration.

They are disaffected Democrats, who fled the Democrat plantation because the balance of that party has caved to the literally insane fringe.

I'll say it again: They may have run as Republicans, but ideologically, Trump and his administration are old school Democrats. The only reason they're not formally Democrats is that that party has lost its fucking mind. It has become hyper-statist, authoritarian, and self-crippling-ly dogmatic. It has shriveled into an ugly little cult, and it's not going to last in that form another four years.

 

[Joe]

"Far right" compared to what marker?

The context is important. The Overton Window matters. So far right compared to who? JFK? Ronald Reagan? Karl Marx?

conservative - more like "I expect you to make sacrifices, but I will make them too. If I cut your services, I will cut my salary as well as my benefits. I will not give the wealthy like myself a tax break until we get the national debt under control. No perks, no favors for me and my monied class. We rise and we fall together. "

neoconservative - "I expect you to make sacrifices, but I will make none for you. Instead I will enrich myself with massive tax cuts for which I will be the prime beneficiary. I will use high office to obtain lucrative contracts and riches for myself at the expense of the poor. If the crushing national debt goes higher, I won't care. Either way I always win. But if you are poor, I don't care. I got mine. And that's all that matters."

And yes, this is the way it has been in America since Reagan @The Question

If you don't consider that 'far right' then that attiitude certainly reeks of self-entitlement.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

conservative - more like "I expect you to make sacrifices, but I will make them too. If I cut your services, I will cut my salary as well as my benefits. I will not give the wealthy like myself a tax break until we get the national debt under control. No perks, no favors for me and my monied class. We rise and we fall together. "

neoconservative - "I expect you to make sacrifices, but I will make none for you. Instead I will enrich myself with massive tax cuts for which I will be the prime beneficiary. I will use high office to obtain lucrative contracts and riches for myself at the expense of the poor. If the crushing national debt goes higher, I won't care. Either way I always win. But if you are poor, I don't care. I got mine. And that's all that matters."

And yes, this is the way it has been in America since Reagan @The Question

If you don't consider that 'far right' then that attiitude certainly reeks of self-entitlement.

Your definitions are off. Here are mine:

Conservative: "The government can only spend money for exactly what the Constitution says it can spend money on. Nothing else. No interpretations. No loopholes."

Neoconservative: "The government can spend all the money it wants on "national defense" -- by which we mean money-laundering and other forms of racketeering through which taxpayer dollars get funneled to defense contractors, and from there get 'donated' in huge chunks to PACs, who funnel that money to we, the politicians, who keep this gravy train rolling through Appropriations."

But you left out half the equation, didn't you? Why did you leave out half the equation? Did you think I wouldn't notice you'd done so?

Nothing to say about the Nobel Peace Prize winning President who used UAVs to bomb the shit out of foreign countries without Congressional authorization, just for one example? A President under whom illegal gun trafficking to Mexican narcoterrorist cartels was engaged in by the ATF?

Maybe you don't want to convince me that you're being impartial here. And if that's the case, then that's fine. But if you do want me to believe you're being impartial, you'd do well to not leave half the playing field outside your critique.

 

[Admin.]

I thought this thread was about hockey. Then again, it is a Joe thread. And Admin. has fart-sniffing on his mind.

Why is homosexuality the absolute only thing that ever sparks any interest in the forum family out of you?

I’m beginning to regret sponsoring your golden not a loser membership card.

 

[Joe]

Your definitions are off. Here are mine:

Conservative: "The government can only spend money for exactly what the Constitution says it can spend money on. Nothing else. No interpretations. No loopholes."

Neoconservative: "The government can spend all the money it wants on "national defense" -- by which we mean money-laundering and other forms of racketeering through which taxpayer dollars get kicked back to the contractors, who then 'donate' big chunks of those taxpayer dollars to we, the politicians, who keep this gravy train rolling through Appropriations."

But you left out half the equation, didn't you? Why did you leave out half the equation? Did you think I wouldn't notice you'd done so?

But that's exactly what the current administration is doing.

Gonna jack up the national debt at your expense, assuming that you are an American citizen.

Just like piling up debt on the plastic/credit card.

But never pay it off.

I confess, I don't live in that kinda world @The Question or have the means to live like that.

But evidently Trump and his kind have no awareness of debt because they always get their rich friends to bail them out.

As you probably know, Trump has filed for bankruptcy several times. Each time he got a bailout.

Do you know people who've gone bankrupt? I do. And none of them seemed to recover from that setback.

conservative - the old fashioned kind I revered and knew was more like "A penny saved is a penny earned."

Yeah I remember those kind. They were very budget conscious lived within their means - but they also knew the value of sacifice.

those kind lived during the Great Depression, tough times, served their country in the War.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

But that's exactly what the current administration is doing.

Gonna jack up the national debt at your expense, assuming that you are an American citizen.

That's what you're being told is happening by the collective corporate mouthpiece of a system that has spent decades being the problem -- to its own enrichment -- and now its enrichment is ending.

And it's fearmongering in order to artificially manufacture an army of panicked but gullible citizens to defend its profligate status quo.

"If you don't stop them from cutting off our ability to fuck you over, RICH PEOPLE WILL HAVE MORE MONEY TO BUY THINGS FROM YOU AND HIRE YOU WITH! PANIC!"

Well...

No. It's time for the money to stay here at home, instead of being thrown away in Whereverthefuckistan, for no reason. It's time for the wars to end; Lockheed Martin can get by.

 

[The Prowler]

I have no idea where Senile @Joe is getting his information.

But then again, Senile @Joe does not have even a basic understanding of so many things. And that is a fact that is well-established.

Just ask him "Why?" when he makes a claim that seems way off. When you get the answer, and the deeper he goes into a subject, his ignorance will become abundantly clear.

 

[LotusBud]

Bottom line - Trump/Musk's debt reduction plan isn't gonna work Lex @The Prowler

The whole point of DOGE is to bring the US budget deficits and National Debt under control.

Instead the House passed a bill providing $4.5 Trillion dollars in tax cuts which will primarily benefit the wealthy in America.

However, the US National Debt is still projected to soar under this economic plan.

Can you suggest a better way or an improvement to this plan, Lex?

The whole point of DOGE is those tax cuts for the rich. Clearly, Prez Musk and Brainless Trump have no interest whatsoever in addressing the national debt. It's sad when voters cannot recognize a liar when he's screaming right in their face.

 

[The Prowler]

Sit back and watch, you ignorant buffoons.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

Many Canadians have been quick to criticize Gretzky for his close association with Trump:



But is this really a bad thing?

I think the opposite

Maybe it's good. Because G might prevent Trump from punishing Canada too much.

Gretzky is the face of Canada Trump evidently adores. So perhaps Gretzky is more of an asset than a liability to Canada. A goodwill ambassador that makes Trump think Canada is still not a hostile nation to him

Trump adores Gretzky as much as he hates Mexico.

So keep his hate South of the border not North.

Distilled and translated:

"Every chief executive of every country on Earth is allowed to advance the interests of his or her constituents...

...except for Trump. Because I hate Americans who aren't celebrities, lifetimer bureaucrats, or Wall Streeters, and I don't genuinely believe in Democracy."

 

[Scooter]

Why is homosexuality the absolute only thing that ever sparks any interest in the forum family out of you?

I’m beginning to regret sponsoring your golden not a loser membership card.

Show me where I'm running around on the forum and calling people faggots.

I regret you feeling the need to give me gold status. I'm just another schmuck. Maybe @realgrimm can remove it.

 

[The Prowler]

I'm running around on the forum and calling people faggots.

Why would you do that?

You will make a lot of homosexual enemies here before you know it.