The Return of Biggie

[Dove]

Yep, them gardeners and field workers gotta go.

You're just preaching to the choir, or minister for that matter, on the other issues.
Hell, you were just a toddler if you were even born yet when I first got on the issue of immigration. LoLz.
..but you tell me everything you know, like the 5 year old who wants to splain his parent how things are.

We already established years ago that your immigration stance aligns with maga republicans.

You just refuse to accept that and act like the dems and progs are your people.

 

[Dove]

So the phrase god's plan for human evolution just screams politics to you?
Otay, that as I noted is your limited view.


You're trying to fuse two separate comments, Ragtard.
Oh, and as that post I made showed. Most Americans do care about how goals are achieved which is why Trump is underwater on immigration even though most Americans do want it regulated in a sane fashion.

Maybe go back and tell the Ministry of Truth that their answers to hard questions aren't cutting it.

Yes they care but they still support deportations. No question. Most of America supports even if they have some ethical issues attached to deportation of SOME illegals.

 

[Dove]

I'm not sure where Hollidork gets most of his disjointed ideas, but he clearly swims in the insular bubble of Leftardation. Probably because he's from New Jersey.

Where does he get this insane shit about conservatives?

Because that is out there even for a leftard.

 

[Jack]

Yep, them gardeners and field workers gotta go.

You're just preaching to the choir, or minister for that matter, on the other issues.
Hell, you were just a toddler if you were even born yet when I first got on the issue of immigration. LoLz.
..but you tell me everything you know, like the 5 year old who wants to splain his parent how things are.

Thats already happening, and the wrong people are being deported.

Every employer that hires an "illegal" and pays them lower wages are really the ones that are the criminals.

Every time someone is deported, whoever hired them should be jailed and when they're done with their sentences deported as well.

With all the pearl clutching, not a peep from any of you about that?

 

[The Best Holliday]

Thats already happening, and the wrong people are being deported.

Every employer that hires an "illegal" and pays them lower wages are really the ones that are the criminals.

Every time someone is deported, whoever hired them should be jailed and when they're done with their sentences deported as well.

With all the pearl clutching, not a peep from any of you about that?

Jack, that is what I have preached since the late 70s - and you may verify by looking up all available that I have written, or askin around..
..This is all about cheap compliant labor, and money being stuffed in the pockets of capitalist whose sole objective in life is to acquire wealth and also power....
..and who does that, conservatives...what is the cornerstone of conservatism? - selfishness.
..and that at the expense of American workers.
Exactly right - it's those who lure and employ illegal labor who are the criminals and those who should be penalized - unfortunately they also employ, so to speak, our "representatives".

I worked in manufacturing for 40 years, and with people from all over the world. I've watched this transformation take place, and what I know from the experience is that no group of immigrant workers is superior in skill and productivity than Americans - that of course not meaning every individual. I watched as good paying factory jobs turned into min wage jobs and quality went to shit.

Oh, and when someone like Duhv says I agree with Repukes....pure nonsense.
.The derivation of a policy position matters, not just the yes or no of it.

 

[Dove]

Thats already happening, and the wrong people are being deported.

Every employer that hires an "illegal" and pays them lower wages are really the ones that are the criminals.

Every time someone is deported, whoever hired them should be jailed and when they're done with their sentences deported as well.

With all the pearl clutching, not a peep from any of you about that?

Thats me. I have a huge problem with that and have for a long time.

I think everyome caught exploiting undocumented immigants should face fines and or jail time.

They just busted some weed farmer who was exploiting MINORS.

 

[Dove]

Jack, that is what I have preached since the late 70s - and you may verify by looking up all available that I have written, or askin around..
..This is all about cheap compliant labor, and money being stuffed in the pockets of capitalist whose sole objective in life is to acquire wealth and also power....
..and who does that, conservatives...what is the cornerstone of conservatism? - selfishness.
..and that at the expense of American workers.
Exactly right - it's those who lure and employ illegal labor who are the criminals and those who should be penalized - unfortunately they also employ, so to speak, our "representatives".

I worked in manufacturing for 40 years, and with people from all over the world. I've watched this transformation take place, and what I know from the experience is that no group of immigrant workers is superior in skill and productivity than Americans - that of course not meaning every individual.

Oh, and when someone like Duhv says I agree with Repukes....pure nonsense.
.The derivation of a policy position matters, not just the yes or no of it.

You absolutely have the MAGA republican stance on immigration. You fucking doofus.

 

[The Best Holliday]

You absolutely have the MAGA republican stance on immigration. You fucking doofus.

Nope, MAGA didn't even exist when I adopted my views.
..and they aren't in the least related to mine even if they agree with me ostensibly.
The fact is that conservatives want that cheap labor.
...and
Do you not know that Trump has gotten huge pushback from several sectors?
Common sense should dictate that you can not remove a valued workforce w/o preparing a replacement.

 

[Jack]

Common sense should dictate that you can not remove a valued workforce w/o preparing a replacement.

An illegal criminal network then, in that context.

 

[The Best Holliday]

An illegal criminal network then, in that context.

Not sure what you are referring to there.
. What I believe in this regard is that we have many Americans, many on welfare, many just sitting at home playing video games, who can do much of the work that illegal immigrant labor do. Too bad if they think they are too good for it. However, you can't just toss out the illegals w/o training the replacements.
...and where immigrant labor is needed let there be a workable guest-worker program. Those workers pay taxes, they have decent working conditions according to labor laws, and they are tracked so that when they conclude their work they return home.

 

[Flynn]

Basically Trump was voted in for 4 years as the president. And a republican house was voted in.

By the people.

And the deportations......that the majoroty of Americans voted for, AND support....are Trump acting like a "king"

He is representing and following through with the will of the people.....who support the deportations....but HE is the authoritarian.

Not the smaller unhinged group that is protesting and demanding we all submit to thier desire to keep illegal immigrants....including traffickers and rapists
...in our country. It doesnt matter what the majority of tax paying citizens want. H Gay thinks we all need to submit to him and those aligned with him.

They are oppressed and Trump is somehow acting like a "king" because he is effectively serviving the will of the people who voted for him.

Not the judges who are subverting the will of the people and trying to block him to pander to the progs....nope.

Why dont you guys start rallying to open our borders and get the country on board with that? Hard isnt it? To order everyone to just take the drain on our tax dollars and shut up about the violence and rape that comes with open borders.

You dont to sit there and cry tyranny because you cant force the whole country to support your cause.

Good points, Dove.

I would also like to point out that I voted for Trump, and these long awaited deportations are a fucking God-send. The only fucking idiots who don't like this are those who are here illegally, and those needing the votes from the illegals. I could give one fuck if I get stopped. I'll just cooperate because I'm here legally, and I have nothing to hide.

Additionally, the deportation of the criminal element raises awareness that the moronic Liberals would let murderers, rapists, and child sex traffickers into the United States without blinking an eye is truly sickening. I bet those bleeding hearts would change their tune if their daughters, mothers and sisters were raped by an illegal...or not, because they're fucking clueless morons that wouldn't know an amendment or a state statute, even if it was climbing over the U.S. border wall dressed up like admin on Girls Night Tuesday.

I'm kind of a Trump supporter that wants all and every illegal out of the U.S.A. I want those fucking wet backs that come over here and send money back to their families in Mexico gone too. Those fucks never pay taxes and crowd our emergency rooms because even those dirty disease carrying illegals can't be turned away for medical services. Fuck them. They're not even supposed to be here. That goes for all the ragheads, those east Indian curry smelling refugees, and anyone else here illegally.

They're lucky I'm not president. I would give illegals a choice. Either join our military for 5 years or get sent back to where they're from, and if caught here a second time, they will be executed. Serve 5 years in our military overseas and they get to become a citizen with their criminal records wiped clean, that way they can have a fresh new start. Also, they would receive a one time payment of $150,000 to help them integrate. Lastly, all their proven immediate family members would become citizens. That's fair I think.

Lastly, get all illegals out of here. I think we need to become 1940's Germany and ask for "papers" from anyone who might look suspect. I don't give a flying fuck about constitutional rights because illegals fucking have none, and I wouldn't mind living in a police state if that means rooting out all illegals, militia groups, the NRA, and any threat to national security.

It's time we stopped coddling the minority retards and start looking out for America, instead of financial interests overseas and abroad. America comes first and so do the American people.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

So the phrase god's plan for human evolution just screams politics to you?
Otay, that as I noted is your limited view.

God's Plan for Human Evolution? You know what that is, do you? You're sounding like a muslim Jihadi. A Jihadi will tell you straiught up that they know what "God's Plan for Human Evolution" is, and that is to slaughter all non-mulsims.

Isn't that evil conservatism according to your weird definition of conservatism?

You're trying to fuse two separate comments, Ragtard.
Oh, and as that post I made showed. Most Americans do care about how goals are achieved which is why Trump is underwater on immigration even though most Americans do want it regulated in a sane fashion.

No. I represent "Most Americans" far more than you do. You inhabit the Fringe Left that has lost and continues to lose on all political and cultural fronts.

"Most Americans" voted for exactly what Trump is directing on immigration and the presence in our country of millions upon millions of illegal alien criminals. You want the illegal aliens to stay here because your Betters so order you to believe. This is because your Betters are more interested in the apportionment of Congressional Seats and need those millions upon millions of illegal alien criminals to be "counted" in the Census that apportions Congressional Seats.

It's about Power for your Betters, Holliday. They don't care about you.

You Leftards simply have to come to the realization that you are in the minority now in our beloved America. I know it's hard to come to grips with, but the Truth is that Leftists and Leftism sucks, and "Most Americans" have come to finally realize what I've been saying for decades.

Leftists Suck. And if you don't want to suck, stop being a Leftist.

 

[Dove]

Nope, MAGA didn't even exist when I adopted my views.
..and they aren't in the least related to mine even if they agree with me ostensibly.
The fact is that conservatives want that cheap labor.
...and
Do you not know that Trump has gotten huge pushback from several sectors?
Common sense should dictate that you can not remove a valued workforce w/o preparing a replacement.

What do you think Maga is? You know all the people who support that split in the republican party known as "maga"...all existed before maga was a thing as well, right?

You have the SAME stance on immigration as every maga supporter. And all the maga supporters had the same stance on immigration BEFORE maga existed.

And no, conservatives do not want "cheap labor" and i have no fucking clue where you even get your weird and false ideas of what conservatism is. Its values and world view. Its not a political party. You really have NO idea what conservatives are but i will tell you they support local businesses, free association, and LEGAL immigration. Conservatives also share the SAME maga stance on immigration as YOU do. For seemingly the same reasons.

Cheap labor benefits democrats AND republican people who benefit from it. And lately illegals pouring in and getting the royal treatment have been a democrat vote harvesting stunt.

You have no idea what any of these words even mean or what they hold to.

You clearly dont know what conservatives are and you actually think maga republicans are all conservatives and conservatives are a bunch of white Christain evangelicals who want to take over and ....what? Make kids say the pledge in schools? Make us all return to the gender roles and culture of the 1950s? Thats probably exactly what you think.

And you dont support open borders, socailism, communism, and forced ideologies, and you want liberty and low taxes and smaller government and our immigration laws followed. And youre anti Islam.

But you align yourself with the side of the political spectrum that supports all of that.

You support deportations for the same reasons i do and most of the country does. So of course you attend a No Kings protest and you oppose the political "side" that is doing what you openly admit you agree with.

Jesus Lord. You are such a mess, H Gay.

You also probably oppose culty fundi churches coercing and pressuring young girls into marriages, right? But yet critisize a woman who left that because i wasnt "satisfying" my abusers. I should have sucked his dick while serving him dinner and folding his clothes and understood that if he is mean and cheats its MY fault and i need to work HARDER.

Right, H?


Bahahaha you make NO sense. You have NO consistency. No deeper understanding of any of the values and political positions you are spewing about. You just smack "conservative" on everything you dont like and whatever you may agree with conservatives OR republicans on, you just claim they dont actual even have that position.

One of these days you are going to express a right wing view to a militant lestist and get "nazi punched" and im gonna laugh my ass off.

And no shit Trump gets push back. ALL administrations get push back.

 

[The Best Holliday]

Lastly, get all illegals out of here. I think we need to become 1940's Germany and ask for "papers" from anyone who might look suspect.

Nothing radically conservative about that.
..and anyway - fuck the Bill of Rights. Who needs that shit?

 

[Dove]

Good points, Dove.

I would also like to point out that I voted for Trump, and these long awaited deportations are a fucking God-send. The only fucking idiots who don't like this are those who are here illegally, and those needing the votes from the illegals. I could give one fuck if I get stopped. I'll just cooperate because I'm here legally, and I have nothing to hide.

Additionally, the deportation of the criminal element raises awareness that the moronic Liberals would let murderers, rapists, and child sex traffickers into the United States without blinking an eye is truly sickening. I bet those bleeding hearts would change their tune if their daughters, mothers and sisters were raped by an illegal...or not, because they're fucking clueless morons that wouldn't know an amendment or a state statute, even if it was climbing over the U.S. border wall dressed up like admin on Girls Night Tuesday.

I'm kind of a Trump supporter that wants all and every illegal out of the U.S.A. I want those fucking wet backs that come over here and send money back to their families in Mexico gone too. Those fucks never pay taxes and crowd our emergency rooms because even those dirty disease carrying illegals can't be turned away for medical services. Fuck them. They're not even supposed to be here. That goes for all the ragheads, those east Indian curry smelling refugees, and anyone else here illegally.

They're lucky I'm not president. I would give illegals a choice. Either join our military for 5 years or get sent back to where they're from, and if caught here a second time, they will be executed. Serve 5 years in our military overseas and they get to become a citizen with their criminal records wiped clean, that way they can have a fresh new start. Also, they would receive a one time payment of $150,000 to help them integrate. Lastly, all their proven immediate family members would become citizens. That's fair I think.

Lastly, get all illegals out of here. I think we need to become 1940's Germany and ask for "papers" from anyone who might look suspect. I don't give a flying fuck about constitutional rights because illegals fucking have none, and I wouldn't mind living in a police state if that means rooting out all illegals, militia groups, the NRA, and any threat to national security.

It's time we stopped coddling the minority retards and start looking out for America, instead of financial interests overseas and abroad. America comes first and so do the American people.

The ice raids are being blown way way up. We wouldnt have to ever live in a police state to get the illegals out of here at all.

I would support that though if we were dealing with some organized and hostile invasion.....like the riots. Uhg.

Just a few weeks ago they (leftists) were shrieking that Trump was putting illegals on airplanes and dumping them in the ocean LOL.

Trump is sending them to concentration camps to be consumed by alligators.

Trump is sending them to regular concentration camps. Trump is sending legal citizens to countries they never even visited.

All kinds of hysterical and crazy bullshit.

 

[Dove]

Im typing like a stroke victim today - i apologize for that, guys.

Ive been sitting outside enjoying a pina colada and my hands are damp and the sun is glaring.

Sorry!

 

[No One]

He knows what conservatives are more than actual conservatives know. I dont think we have any conservatives here.

But yeah he thinks everyone he disagrees with is conservative lol. He thinks IM a conservative. Frood is a conservative. Its wild. Oh and not just that....conservatives and nazis are the same thing.

You can tell he barely ever interacts with actual people. And when he does its probably just some small circle of people who think the same way. More than half the country are nazi conservatives lmao.

I also love how so many of these people act like all the natives here were just all these peace loving nature worshipping people who knew no violence until the evil white settlers showed up and slaughtered them when in reality the tribes were brutally slaughtering eachother over land and territory. Some were cannibals ffs. They have no understanding of the world that long ago.

I'm to the right of lokmar and to the left of God.

 

[The Best Holliday]

Most Americans" voted for exactly what Trump is directing on immigration

Math is hard, I know Reggie, but 49.9 % of voters is nothing close to a majority of Americans.
As pointed out - the majority of polled Americans won't a sane approach to immigration, and yet Trump's method is getting a thumbs down. What do you think it means? This isn't hard, Ragnar.

You want the illegal aliens to stay here because your Betters so order

Raggs, LoLz - who are they? I have disagreed with Dems on this, who seem to agree with Libertarians (real conservatives, on economy). Do you even know what my position on this is? No....that's obvious.

And youre anti Islam.

I'm opposed to rabid conservatism. Read my werdz.

 

[Dove]

You dont even know what conservative IS.

What is "rabid conservatism"? Amish people? Lmao.

 

[Admin.]

Great news peeps, Trump just negotiated a 15% inflation via tariffs in the price of everything coming from Europe! If that makes it a little bit easier for Alex Soros to buy his own Island, I’m excited for him! /s

 

[The Best Holliday]

Not sure what you are referring to there.
. What I believe in this regard is that we have many Americans, many on welfare, many just sitting at home playing video games, who can do much of the work that illegal immigrant labor do. Too bad if they think they are too good for it. However, you can't just toss out the illegals w/o training the replacements.
...and where immigrant labor is needed let there be a workable guest-worker program. Those workers pay taxes, they have decent working conditions according to labor laws, and they are tracked so that when they conclude their work they return home.

...also, @Jack , this is the part the massive transfer of wealth that has taken place since the early 70s. We pay for people on welfare, this allows for employers to import labor (this also goes for legal labor), and wages go down. That is the wage stagnation we have seen. In the mean time the wealthy pay very little by percentage in taxes while also reaping the benefits of reduced labor costs.

One very educational incident from the 70s illustrates this:
Some short time after I had returned from SoCal, there was on the news a labor dispute in NY State.
A group of Indian factory workers was up in arms because they had all been let go, and replaced with immigrant Filipino workers (even cheaper labor).
..See? Get it? Who had the Indian workers replaced? I was unsympathetic, but the pattern is clear.
How can I stuff money in my pocket no matter who it may harm.

 

[Jack]

...also, @Jack , this is the part the massive transfer of wealth that has taken place since the early 70s. We pay for people on welfare, this allows for employers to import labor (this also goes for legal labor), and wages go down. That is the wage stagnation we have seen. In the mean time the wealthy pay very little by percentage in taxes while also reaping the benefits of reduced labor costs.

One very educational incident from the 70s illustrates this:
Some short time after I had returned from SoCal, there was on the news a labor dispute in NY State.
A group of Indian factory workers was up in arms because they had all been let go, and replaced with immigrant Filipino workers (even cheaper labor).
..See? Get it? Who had the Indian workers replaced? I was unsympathetic, but the pattern is clear.
How can I stuff money in my pocket no matter who it may harm.

The employers are criminals.

/end of

 

[The Best Holliday]

The employers are criminals.

/end of

Indeed they are.

 

[Jack]

Indeed they are.

and they get to whine on TV about how ICE is "singling them out" Their help is being deported and they are on TV whining about it instead of in court defending their criminality.

 

[The Best Holliday]

Cheap labor benefits democrats AND republican

Maybe learn to read. I don't often use the party names. I talk about Liberals and conservatives.
.I do call the Dems "the other conservatives" for good reason.

 

[Frood]

They never were.
.You're still a dope these days though.

No yuo, fuckwit.

 

[The Best Holliday]

and they get to whine on TV about how ICE is "singling them out" Their help is being deported and they are on TV whining about it instead of in court defending their criminality.

I see you feel passionately about this. We largely agree is seems. I hope that isn't offensive.

The problem with the deportations is two-fold.
1) You can't ship out all the labor w/o replacing it with people skilled in the work.
That's why business community is bitching.
and B) People who are just doing an honest job are being deported...people who spare the likes of Ragtard the pain of trimming his own hedges, and
...some people are being deported who are neither criminal or non-citizens.

Trump can somehow even fuck up things that people generally agree upon. That's why he's underwater on immigration.

 

[The Best Holliday]

No yuo, fuckwit.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt yer feelz.

 

[Jack]

I see you feel passionately about this. We largely agree is seems. I hope that isn't offensive.

The problem with the deportations is two-fold.
1) You can't ship out all the labor w/o replacing it with people skilled in the work.
That's why business community is bitching.
and B) People who are just doing an honest job are being deported...people who spare the likes of Ragtard the pain of trimming his own hedges, and
...some people are being deported who are neither criminal or non-citizens.

Trump can somehow even fuck up things that people generally agree upon. That's why he's underwater on immigration.

where I live deporting 12 people in whatever industry they're working in is devastating to that industry. Only Wyoming has less people than we do.

 

[Frood]

I was pretty flabbergasted but this is a guy who thinks everyone is conservative and maga is authoritarian. So.

I like how he thinks he speaks for everyone. People want deportations because people oppose the drain on taxes, the trafficking and exploitation and the crime.

The only reasons to want legal immigration.

Im sure he thinks its because we all hate brown people because thats what Vox tells him.

It's bizarre how he equates classical Liberalism to the Liberalism we see today yet he maintains that Classic Liberals are nothing like Libertarians....despite reeling off a list of Libertarian values.

The guy is going the way of Seamajor. Minds......kaput.