Interesting analysis of the Kirk hit

[Frood]

I don't undermine your opinion. Nor allude to insult it. I simply offer my opinion in contrast.

I value you. More than I value myself. Alone I'm brereft of the challenge you assail.

I want you to be the yin to my yang.

I appreciate you more than you can possibly fathom.

If you do bow out know you'll be sincerely missed by me.

I never meant to demean nor troll.

Just engage. As Jean Luc Picard's most famous line.

Your yang would look like a sausage being thrown down the passageway of her Ying hotel...

(I don't mean to speak in Retardese, but it's olfactive, no?)

 

[The Prowler]

Is Lardo finally gone?

She was ruining this thread.

 

[Lily]

Maricon come mierda

 

[The Prowler]

Hahaha!!!

I knew I could get her to squeal!!!!

It took a whole 6 minutes, though.....

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Yes, it computes in the modern era. And what I mean by modern I'm thinking to when the Spanish, for example, reconquered Spain and pushed out the Muslim conquest.

Let me work with the Spanish example, since they conquered most of the Americas, including more than half of what is now the US. They spent centuries pushing the Muslims out, I believe it was 800 years. Then what did they do simultaneously? Go on to pillage and conquer lands with the "discovery" of America. They knew that they hated what they experienced, but these very same monarchs, in the same year, mind you, 1492 funded Columbus, ffs.

Lady justice is anything but blindfolded. That's a farce.

Of course Jews were indigenous to the Middle East. WERE being the operative word. They were forced out by Rome, who are what? YEAH, Europeans. The Jewish diaspora happened two millennia ago. New people settled there. Is it the new people's fault what Rome did? They are to blame and have to give up their homes and territory because AGAIN Europeans fucked over the Jews in the 30's and 40's? Because the UK was a colonial power and just gave the Jews land that Palestinian Arabs and Christians were living on in 1948.

So, when we give our land back to the Native Americans, you can talk to me about the justice of giving back land to the Israelis...because we haven't and we won't.

The problem is violently taking what doesn't belong to you, period. Whether it's the land Israel took or land the Russians took from the Ukrainians.

That's the actual problem.

Look I know you said you bow out and I don't blame you because I was being a total dickface in using the word "asinine" in my rebuttal ascribed to the left so I wouldn't blame you at all if you excused yourself from this. Your call. But I appreciate your input because I know it's heartfelt.

But 1948 is an awesome debating point. So what would any progressive leftist do with post WWII Jews? Riddle me that? People say WWII happened because of the austerity cast upon the German people from WWI. So if a part of Germany was partitioned off after WWII for the Jews than we have a whole new set of indignations for German people to start WWIII. And likely Jews didn't want to stay in, around, or anywhere, near Europe, after facing dehuminizing genocidal extinction.

I don't know what should have become of post WWII Jews. But more than 20% of Israel's population are Arab. Even as far back as 2005 when HAMAS was voted in by Palestinians the Jew population of Gaza was ZERO.

So even if Israel is being heavy handed now in this current war... the fact is Jews are far more tolerant than the supposed "religion of peace"... or its current purveyors.

If the world powers came to my house & said we are starting a Jewish state here in your neighborhood so my options were to strap a suicide vest to my chest & rally an intafada or raise my family same as I was before, I think the suicide vest is a BIT overkill as an overkill BIT. It is of a radical mind of a radical religionary primitive stance.

Democracy is superior to theocracy. Human rights are superior to sharia law. 1948 is over. Live here & now. Or cling to anti female equality while hiding behind school kids and in hospitals while lobbing rockets & donning suicide vests.

At some point we really need to move forward & fuck off to the backwards thinking primitives. To kowtow means the same as buying a toy for a tantrum throwing kid instead of saying no & letting the kid grow the fuck up into maturity.

Freedom fighter? You have freedom, idiot. Your needs are met. But you want to throw if away on a suicide attack because Israel existing is somehow an affront since 1948. Grow the fuck up.

 

[Lily]

Look I know you said you bow out and I don't blame you because I was being a total dickface in using the word "asinine" in my rebuttal ascribed to the left so I wouldn't blame you at all if you excused yourself from this. Your call. But I appreciate your input because I know it's heartfelt.

But 1948 is an awesome debating point. So what would any progressive leftist do with post WWII Jews? Riddle me that? People say WWII happened because of the austerity cast upon the German people from WWI. So if a part of Germany was partitioned off after WWII for the Jews than we have a whole new set of indignations for German people to start WWIII. And likely Jews didn't want to stay in, around, or anywhere, near Europe, after facing dehuminizing genocidal extinction.

I don't know what should have become of post WWII Jews. But more than 20% of Israel's population are Arab. Even as far back as 2005 when HAMAS was voted in by Palestinians the Jew population of Gaza was ZERO.

So even if Israel is being heavy handed now in this current war... the fact is Jews are far more tolerant than the supposed "religion of peace"... or its current purveyors.

If the world powers came to my house & said we are starting a Jewish state here in your neighborhood so my options were to strap a suicide vest to my chest & rally an intafada or raise my family same as I was before, I think the suicide vest is a BIT overkill as an overkill BIT. It is of a radical mind of a radical religionary primitive stance.

Democracy is superior to theocracy. Human rights are superior to sharia law. 1948 is over. Live here & now. Or cling to anti female equality while hiding behind school kids and in hospitals while lobbing rockets & donning suicide vests.

At some point we really need to move forward & fuck off to the backwards thinking primitives. To kowtow means the same as buying a toy for a tantrum throwing kid instead of saying no & letting the kid grow the fuck up into maturity.

Freedom fighter? You have freedom, idiot. Your needs are met. But you want to throw if away on a suicide attack because Israel existing is somehow an affront since 1948. Grow the fuck up.

I'm not going to go in rounds about this. If someone came to your home, kicked you out, how would you take that?

You wouldn't. It's going to lead to conflict and you might lash out in violence.

Hell, Americans shoot people dead for driving up onto their driveway for God fucking's sake.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

He wants Adminge's legendary Hobo Treatment.

Who's turning down blowjobs at our late stage in this game?

Even @Flynn deserves a sincere blowjob.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Hahaha!!!

I knew I could get her to squeal!!!!

It took a whole 6 minutes, though.....

This ain't Meltdown old salty pickleball topless corvette steering bald batting belt wearing selfie having coneheaded dawg fuckstick. This is POLITIKS! Realz!

We have an aire of stiffistication here. A firmness in belief that rises above Peyronie's.

If there's a fire you should be dying in, puhlease attend it.

Melty wax figure.

 

[Kirk]

This ain't Meltdown old salty pickleball topless corvette steering bald batting belt wearing selfie having coneheaded dawg fuckstick. This is POLITIKS! Realz!

We have an aire of stiffistication here. A firmness in belief that rises above Peyronie's.

If there's a fire you should be dying in, puhlease attend it.

Melty wax figure.

Dude, all of Social media is basically Meltdown at this point, I only browse the internet now for the targeted advertisements so I know what products to buy before I even know I need or want them.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

I'm not going to go in rounds about this. If someone came to your home, kicked you out, how would you take that?

You wouldn't. It's going to lead to conflict and you might lash out in violence.

Hell, Americans shoot people dead for driving up onto their driveway for God fucking's sake.

1948 was 77 years ago. If I was kicked out 77 years ago, I would hope my offspring forged a life & family building rather than clinging to useless death & destruction of obsession.

Moby Dick:

• Themes:
  Moby-Dick explores themes of revenge, madness, the dangers of charismatic leadership, the nature of good and evil, and the human struggle to understand the world.
  
  • 
    
  • 
    
  • Symbolism:
    The white whale, Moby Dick, is a powerful and ambiguous symbol, interpreted in many ways, from a representation of God to the embodiment of evil or the unknowable nature of the universe.
    
    Move on. Bad shit happened. I won't excuse it. But if you want to obsess over it vs moving beyond it than it will not only poison your soul... but the souls of every individual who could've had a better life if not weighed down by this bullshit anchor excuse to be primitive & violent.
  • 
    
  • That's my sell. Be better or be worse. No excuses. We all have brains.

I just wanted to add this as I notice you said Americans shoot people for driving onto their driveway...

But we all know that's a very wrong reaction right? Violence is an overreaction. It is today and it is for something 77 years in the past.

We all need to do better. Not make excuses for the worst.

 

[Lily]

1948 was 77 years ago. If I was kicked out 77 years ago, I would hope my offspring forged a life & family building rather than clinging to useless death & destruction of obsession.

Moby Dick:

• Themes:
  Moby-Dick explores themes of revenge, madness, the dangers of charismatic leadership, the nature of good and evil, and the human struggle to understand the world.
  • 
    
  • 
    
  • Symbolism:
    The white whale, Moby Dick, is a powerful and ambiguous symbol, interpreted in many ways, from a representation of God to the embodiment of evil or the unknowable nature of the universe.
    
    Move on. Bad shit happened. I won't excuse it. But if you want to obsess over it vs moving beyond it than it will not only poison your soul... but the souls of every individual who could've had a better life if not weighed down by this bullshit anchor excuse to be primitive & violent.
  • 
    
  • That's my sell. Be better or be worse. No excuses. We all have brains.

It's easy for you to say that, because in fact, it's not you and didn't happen to you.

These people have been living in a refugee camp for 77 years. Nah man, I support them because they can see their home from the camp they and their offspring and their offspring are in now.

Of course you support colonial settlers coming in and taking shit from the people that lived there, it's our entire country, for fuck's sakes.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Dude, all of Social media is basically Meltdown at this point, I only browse the internet now for the targeted advertisements so I know what products to buy before I even know I need or want them.

Well you're a very sexy automaton. If that computes.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

It's easy for you to say that, because in fact, it's not you and didn't happen to you.

These people have been living in a refugee camp for 77 years. Nah man, I support them because they can see their home from the camp they and their offspring and their offspring are in now.

Of course you support colonial settlers coming in and taking shit from the people that lived there, it's our entire country, for fuck's sakes.

So if you lived in Nevada you would support antifada because California land was taken from you 77 years ago?

The Mojave Desert you live in now isn't as good as the Mojave Desert your descendants were expelled from 77 years ago?

You realize we are still in the Assassination of Charlie Kirk thread?

So you want to support the terrorist acts of people whose lands were taken from them 77 years ago and here I am supporting the wife of a free speech advocate assassinated lately as she publicily forgives the assassin?

I support the Jesus Amish turn the other cheek before I'll ever support violence.

The true speaking truth to power is that violence is not a power we should ever be embracing nor endorsing as true progress or progressives.

That's the hill I'm dying on.

 

[Lily]

So if you lived in Nevada you would support antifada because California land was taken from you 77 years ago?

The Mojave Desert you live in now isn't as good as the Mojave Desert your descendants were expelled from 77 years ago?

You realize we are still in the Assassination of Charlie Kirk thread?

So you want to support the terrorist acts of people whose lands were taken from them 77 years ago and here I am supporting the wife of a free speech advocate assassinated lately as she publicily forgives the assassin?

I support the Jesus Amish turn the other cheek before I'll ever support violence.

The true speaking truth to power is that violence is not a power we should ever be embracing nor endorsing as true progress or progressives.

That's the hill I'm dying on.

Now you don't support violence after you've said many times that it's part of human nature?

Btw, do you think the entire state of California is contained within Mojave Desert?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Now you don't support violence after you've said many times that it's part of human nature?

Btw, do you think the entire state of California is contained within Mojave Desert?

Human violence is a part of human history but at what point should we divest & divulge ourselves of the scourge of raw instinct vs rational thoughts? According to you all is forgiven pre 1948... but post 1948 "nah man you support them."

Mojave Desert includes Cali & Nevada. People moved you off a desert to another part of the desert & 77 years later your descendants have nothing better to do than lob rockets? Better to have better bigger brained descendants.

 

[The Best Holliday]

Look I know you said you bow out and I don't blame you because I was being a total dickface in using the word "asinine" in my rebuttal ascribed to the left so I wouldn't blame you at all if you excused yourself from this. Your call. But I appreciate your input because I know it's heartfelt.

But 1948 is an awesome debating point. So what would any progressive leftist do with post WWII Jews? Riddle me that? People say WWII happened because of the austerity cast upon the German people from WWI. So if a part of Germany was partitioned off after WWII for the Jews than we have a whole new set of indignations for German people to start WWIII. And likely Jews didn't want to stay in, around, or anywhere, near Europe, after facing dehuminizing genocidal extinction.

I don't know what should have become of post WWII Jews. But more than 20% of Israel's population are Arab. Even as far back as 2005 when HAMAS was voted in by Palestinians the Jew population of Gaza was ZERO.

So even if Israel is being heavy handed now in this current war... the fact is Jews are far more tolerant than the supposed "religion of peace"... or its current purveyors.

If the world powers came to my house & said we are starting a Jewish state here in your neighborhood so my options were to strap a suicide vest to my chest & rally an intafada or raise my family same as I was before, I think the suicide vest is a BIT overkill as an overkill BIT. It is of a radical mind of a radical religionary primitive stance.

Democracy is superior to theocracy. Human rights are superior to sharia law. 1948 is over. Live here & now. Or cling to anti female equality while hiding behind school kids and in hospitals while lobbing rockets & donning suicide vests.

At some point we really need to move forward & fuck off to the backwards thinking primitives. To kowtow means the same as buying a toy for a tantrum throwing kid instead of saying no & letting the kid grow the fuck up into maturity.

Freedom fighter? You have freedom, idiot. Your needs are met. But you want to throw if away on a suicide attack because Israel existing is somehow an affront since 1948. Grow the fuck up.

If you had said what you had to say w/o the name-calling I probably would have rec'd your post.
...but let's not do the name-calling here. This is a civilized board.

 

[Lily]

Human violence is a part of human history but at what point should we divest & divulge ourselves of the scourge of raw instinct vs rational thoughts? According to you all is forgiven pre 1948... but post 1948 "nah man you support them."

Mojave Desert includes Cali & Nevada. People moved you off a desert to another part of the desert & 77 years later your descendants have nothing better to do than lob rockets? Better to have better bigger brained descendants.

According to me? No, sorry you're wrong about all of it.

Are you drunk already?

 

[Lily]

If you had said what you had to say w/o the name-calling I probably would have rec'd your post.
...but let's not do the name-calling here. This is a civilized board.

It's how right wingers operate.

Then they cry "Lily is so meeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn" if I respond in kind.

I don't care for political snowflakes.

 

[The Best Holliday]

Human violence is a part of human history but at what point should we divest & divulge ourselves of the scourge of raw instinct vs rational thoughts? According to you all is forgiven pre 1948... but post 1948 "nah man you support them."

Mojave Desert includes Cali & Nevada. People moved you off a desert to another part of the desert & 77 years later your descendants have nothing better to do than lob rockets? Better to have better bigger brained descendants.

. I appreciate your efforts here, but I have writ everything from the 620s forward to expose that Islam is a PoS ideology, murderous and fraught with lies at every level.
. A simple Islam sucks and the world needs to rid itself of it, will suffice here forward.

 

[Lily]

. I appreciate your efforts here, but I have writ everything from the 620s forward to expose that Islam is a PoS ideology, murderous and fraught with lies at every level.
. A simple Islam sucks and the world needs to rid itself of it, will suffice here forward.

The problem with that is that there is only a tiny minority of 1.2 billion Muslims that are violent.

Why blame Islam for the behavior of a tiny fraction?

That's where it falls apart for me.

 

[The Best Holliday]

It's how right wingers operate.

Then they cry "Lily is so meeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn" if I respond in kind.

I don't care for political snowflakes.

We can agree or disagree on this or that, but I do not go for the name-calling. It's just uncalled for.

 

[Lily]

We can agree of disagree on this or that, but I do not go for the name-calling. It's just uncalled for.

Fair enough.

 

[The Best Holliday]

The problem with that is that there is only a tiny minority of 1.2 billion Muslims that are violent.

Why blame Islam for the behavior of a tiny fraction?

That's where it falls apart for me.

I've explained this more times than I could count, so what's one more time.
. Every society has many component parts. Military persons are always a small percentage of a society.
So we shouldn't blame Nazism? After all, only a small percent of Nazis were being violent. As I have shown in past discussion, Islam in not only inherently violent, but it is responsible for more deaths in conquest than all other ideologies combined. That's all there is too it. It's highly racist and violently aggressive. It's easily as radically and virulently conservative and intolerant as MAGA. No one should ever defend it, lest of all people of Liberal mind.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Now you don't support violence after you've said many times that it's part of human nature?

Btw, do you think the entire state of California is contained within Mojave Desert?

The bottom line is you're going to advocate for dislocated people and goddamn I admire & love you to death for that but time moves on. People either need to move on, move up or be moved opon.

It's akin to me wanting a slow game because I'm slower gamer now.

Time & tide wait for no man.

You're excusing violence of the disaffected.

I'm not excusing any of it.

Violence is never the answer. (By modern standards.) It's the ultimate question.

What can we do differently? Can we post a query to Lily as opposed to kidnap citizens of Israel for something that happened 77 years before. Fuck yes. If cooler heads prevail. As they should.

 

[The Best Holliday]

Fair enough.

I mean MrAIGuy.

 

[Lily]

I've explained this more times than I could count, so what's one more time.
. Every society has many component parts. Military persons are always a small percentage of a society.
So we shouldn't blame Nazism? After all, only a small percent were being violent. As I have shown in past discussion, Islam in not only inherently violent, but it is responsible for more deaths in conquest than all other ideologies combined. That's all there is too it. It's highly racist and violently aggressive. It's easily as radically and virulently conservative and intolerant as MAGA. No one should ever defend it, lest of all people of Liberal mind.

I disagree with the premise that Islam has killed more people than any other political or religious group in history.

 

[The Best Holliday]

I disagree with the premise that Islam has killed more people than any other political or religious group in history.

I've prove mathematically (the plausibility of) what historians and analysts have said.
. On the order of 250 million in India alone.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

If you had said what you had to say w/o the name-calling I probably would have rec'd your post.
...but let's not do the name-calling here. This is a civilized board.

Pretty sure I only namecalled myself as a regret to losing Lily as an inspiration on this thread. Have you anything other than obfuscation?

 

[Lily]

I've prove mathematically (the plausibility of) what historians and analysts have said.
. On the order of 250 million in India alone.

Not what a google search says.

Q: Which religion or social movement has been responsible for the most deaths of human beings?

A: While specific numbers are widely debated and difficult to verify, the social movement of communism is consistently cited as having the highest death toll in human history. Historical scholarship generally concludes that communist regimes were responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people through state-sanctioned violence and policy-induced famines.

Death tolls from social and political movements
Estimates for deaths under communist regimes vary, but even conservative figures dwarf other modern social movements and historical religious wars.

• Communism: Total deaths, including from government-induced famine, mass executions, forced labor, and purges in the 20th century, are estimated by some historians and scholars to be over 100 million people. The highest death tolls occurred in China under Mao Zedong and the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin.

• National Socialism (Nazism): Nazi Germany, from 1933 to 1945, was responsible for the deaths of millions. This includes the systematic murder of approximately 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, as well as millions of other civilians and prisoners of war who were killed for racial or ideological reasons.
• Colonialism: While not a single movement, centuries of colonialism led by European powers resulted in the deaths of millions of people. This occurred through exploitation, conflict, resource extraction, and the transatlantic slave trade, the latter of which was sometimes justified on religious grounds. The violence and atrocities of King Leopold II in the Congo Free State, for instance, are estimated to have caused millions of deaths

Deaths from religious conflicts
It is a misconception that religion has been the primary cause of most wars or deaths throughout history. Many conflicts with religious overtones were primarily driven by political, territorial, and economic motives. Some major conflicts where religion played a significant role include

• The Muslim conquests in India: Some estimates place the deaths from these centuries-long conflicts in the tens of millions, though figures are highly debated.
• The Crusades: These medieval military campaigns, conducted by European Christians, resulted in millions of deaths across Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa.
• The European Wars of Religion: This series of wars in the 16th and 17th centuries, including the Thirty Years' War, involved clashes between Catholics and Protestants. Estimates for the Thirty Years' War alone range from 4.5 to 8 million deaths.
• The Taiping Rebellion: This 19th-century Chinese civil war was led by a man claiming to be the brother of Jesus Christ. It was one of the bloodiest conflicts in history, with a death toll estimated between 20 and 70 million. Due to the movement's unique, syncretic nature, classifying it as purely a "religious war" is contentious

 

[Lily]

Pretty sure I only namecalled myself as a regret to losing Lily as an inspiration on this thread. Have you anything other than obfuscation?

I don't name call you. There's no need to name call me.