All kidding aside, this Condo Collapse is a horrible tragedy.

[Admin.]

Some good coverage by a Florida Newspaper, but the paper is corporate owned so all pictures, video interviews, airborne and land based videos of damage and Local Official Updates are probably all fake news being forced on us by the Communist enforced fluoridation of our precious bodily fluids.

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[Admin.]

^^^The professional victims advance team raises its hand.

 

[Dove]

Wow.

So Admin doesn't know the difference the "legacy(corporate) media" and local news and media.

You know whatever. We are fucked anyway.

 

[Admin.]

Wow.

So Admin doesn't know the difference the "legacy(corporate) media" and local news and media.

You know whatever. We are fucked anyway.

Wow, you actually made a comment, which I think addressed your point with a couple brief sentences, Good Job Dove!

D+ for Content, B- for structure and brevity. #mytutelagepayingdividends

 

[Adam Hitler]

Hopefully there was a Democrat convention taking place in there at the time.

 

[Adam Hitler]

Meh, better than none I guess.

 

[Levon]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

Any public statements of surprise from the mayor or the governor or even the president, about this catastrophe are just gaslighting, or maybe worse, indications of dumbfuckery.

 

[Admin.]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

Any public statements of surprise from the mayor or the governor or even the president, about this catastrophe are just gaslighting, or maybe worse, indications of dumbfuckery.

People are dying in this building that have never died before, sadly it seems Matt Gaetz.

 

[Seamajor]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

Any public statements of surprise from the mayor or the governor or even the president, about this catastrophe are just gaslighting, or maybe worse, indications of dumbfuckery.

Thank you for your accurate post.

 

[Oerdin]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

Any public statements of surprise from the mayor or the governor or even the president, about this catastrophe are just gaslighting, or maybe worse, indications of dumbfuckery.

You realize you don't have to drive pilons down to bed rock, right? The geologist or civil engineer can legally declare that firm competitent ground has been reached based upon the hammer blow count it takes to drive the pilon 1 mm. All the civils I have worked with want to be extra cautious doing that though so even though the law requires say five consecutive counts exceeding the engineer's specification we would usually demand 10 consecutive counts just to be extra sure. None of our projects have failed in the last 20 years so I guess we have done well.

 

[Joe]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

I wonder how many other Florida buildings are in similar situation.

Must be a lot of them.

If they don't reinforce them all soon, there could be many more of these disasters coming.

 

[Joe]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

Any public statements of surprise from the mayor or the governor or even the president, about this catastrophe are just gaslighting, or maybe worse, indications of dumbfuckery.

You realize you don't have to drive pillons down to bed rock, right? The geologist or civil engineer can legally declare that firm competitent ground has been reached based upon the ha..er blow count it takes to drive the pillow 1 mm. All the civil I have worked with want to be extra cautious doing that though so even though the law requires say five consecutive counts exceeding the engineer's specification we would usually demand 10 consecutive counts just to be extra sure. None of our projects have failed in the last 20 years so I guess we have done well.

You ought to head to Florida for some extra consulting work.

with this latest debacle I'm sure there''ll be big changes coming to their building codes.

They must be needing a lot of geological and soil assessments in the near future..

 

[LotusBud]

159 still missing, and a few tons of concrete piled up. Little hope for those people. Utterly tragic. Greed is probably what caused this, ultimately.

 

[Joe]

159 still missing, and a few tons of concrete piled up. Little hope for those people. Utterly tragic. Greed is probably what caused this, ultimately.

Yeah seems like it. Massive corruption, no doubt.

You can imagine the huge lawsuits a' comin'.

In California people worry about whether they'll get killed in an earthquake.

But inf Florida where there are none, they have to worry about shoddy construction and inspection practices.

 

[Oerdin]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

I wonder how many other Florida buildings are in similar situation.

Must be a lot of them.

If they don't reinforce them all soon, there could be many more of these disasters coming.

I will wait to hear more after an investigation but often stuff that holds up for 40 years was well done but that the geologic or water conditions changed over 40 years. I.E. one explanation could be ground water levels went up or down thus changing some of the facts assumed to exist when the Civil engineer made his calculations back in 1981. Another issue might have been salt water intrusion and how that salt water effected the chosen pilon design; I.E. did it start corrosion?

Then there are possible maintenance issue or defective materials used, etc... There are many possibilities. About the only thing we know for sure is as far back as the 1990's the building was tilting due to uneven subsidence.

 

[Admin.]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

I wonder how many other Florida buildings are in similar situation.

Must be a lot of them.

If they don't reinforce them all soon, there could be many more of these disasters coming.

according to an interview I heard on BBC this morning, this building has an identical twin one block over, same developer, same contractor, same plans same material, the residents are not comfortable.

 

[Joe]

according to an interview I heard on BBC this morning, this building has an identical twin one block over, same developer, same contractor, same plans same material, the residents are not comfortable.

 

[LotusBud]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

I wonder how many other Florida buildings are in similar situation.

Must be a lot of them.

If they don't reinforce them all soon, there could be many more of these disasters coming.

according to an interview I heard on BBC this morning, this building has an identical twin one block over, same developer, same contractor, same plans same material, the residents are not comfortable.

I'd be outta there so fast, with a lawsuit filed soon after.

 

[Oerdin]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

Any public statements of surprise from the mayor or the governor or even the president, about this catastrophe are just gaslighting, or maybe worse, indications of dumbfuckery.

You realize you don't have to drive pillons down to bed rock, right? The geologist or civil engineer can legally declare that firm competitent ground has been reached based upon the ha..er blow count it takes to drive the pillow 1 mm. All the civil I have worked with want to be extra cautious doing that though so even though the law requires say five consecutive counts exceeding the engineer's specification we would usually demand 10 consecutive counts just to be extra sure. None of our projects have failed in the last 20 years so I guess we have done well.

You ought to head to Florida for some extra consulting work.

with this latest debacle I'm sure there''ll be big changes coming to their building codes.

They must be needing a lot of geological and soil assessments in the near future..

I would need to check out if I can transfer my credentials there or if I would have to start entirely over from the beginning. Then there is the issue about having to learn all the laws which are different between the two states.

Florida does seem nice though.

 

[Joe]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

Any public statements of surprise from the mayor or the governor or even the president, about this catastrophe are just gaslighting, or maybe worse, indications of dumbfuckery.

You realize you don't have to drive pillons down to bed rock, right? The geologist or civil engineer can legally declare that firm competitent ground has been reached based upon the ha..er blow count it takes to drive the pillow 1 mm. All the civil I have worked with want to be extra cautious doing that though so even though the law requires say five consecutive counts exceeding the engineer's specification we would usually demand 10 consecutive counts just to be extra sure. None of our projects have failed in the last 20 years so I guess we have done well.

You ought to head to Florida for some extra consulting work.

with this latest debacle I'm sure there''ll be big changes coming to their building codes.

They must be needing a lot of geological and soil assessments in the near future..

I would need to check out if I can transfer my credentials there or if I would have to start entirely over from the beginning. Then there is the issue about having to learn all the laws which are different between the two states.

Florida does seem nice though.

...but you can still practice in 2 states simultaneously?

 

[Oerdin]

One problem you see out in California's central valley is land subsidence due to falling groundwater levels. The farmers are sucking so much groundwater out of wells that it causes the land to sink and aquifers to compact. Naturally, buildings aren't designed to take that much land movement and so the older ones get condemned left and right. Now, was the engineering of that building some how down poorly back in the 1940's? No, it was done correctly and in accordance with the law at the time. No one knew the land surface would sink down 5 meters in 80 years and the law didn't require them to take that into account so you can't really fault the people who originally built. All the same the building is now trash and has to be demolished.

 

[Oerdin]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

Any public statements of surprise from the mayor or the governor or even the president, about this catastrophe are just gaslighting, or maybe worse, indications of dumbfuckery.

You realize you don't have to drive pillons down to bed rock, right? The geologist or civil engineer can legally declare that firm competitent ground has been reached based upon the ha..er blow count it takes to drive the pillow 1 mm. All the civil I have worked with want to be extra cautious doing that though so even though the law requires say five consecutive counts exceeding the engineer's specification we would usually demand 10 consecutive counts just to be extra sure. None of our projects have failed in the last 20 years so I guess we have done well.

You ought to head to Florida for some extra consulting work.

with this latest debacle I'm sure there''ll be big changes coming to their building codes.

They must be needing a lot of geological and soil assessments in the near future..

I would need to check out if I can transfer my credentials there or if I would have to start entirely over from the beginning. Then there is the issue about having to learn all the laws which are different between the two states.

Florida does seem nice though.

...but you can still practice in 2 states simultaneously?

If you are certified in both states then you can. Most pick one state and stick to it.

 

[Dove]

Wow.

So Admin doesn't know the difference the "legacy(corporate) media" and local news and media.

You know whatever. We are fucked anyway.

Wow, you actually made a comment, which I think addressed your point with a couple brief sentences, Good Job Dove!

D+ for Content, B- for structure and brevity. #mytutelagepayingdividends

It's really revolting that you pride yourself on how dumbed down you are.

That's one of the biggest problems. You open minded, deeply thoughtful leftists need it as dumbed down as possible.

If it isnt three or less sentences of sensationalism with a good slogan you guys cant even grasp it.

 

[Oerdin]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

I wonder how many other Florida buildings are in similar situation.

Must be a lot of them.

If they don't reinforce them all soon, there could be many more of these disasters coming.

according to an interview I heard on BBC this morning, this building has an identical twin one block over, same developer, same contractor, same plans same material, the residents are not comfortable.

I'd be outta there so fast, with a lawsuit filed soon after.

It will depend upon what the state laws say. In California builder liability is capped at 20 years and in some cases just 10 years. I don't know anything about the laws in Florida but it may be hard to prove liability 40 years later. Now, if someone bought after the subsidence issue was found in the 1990's but the seller didn't disclose that to the buyers that might be an issue.

 

[Dove]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

I wonder how many other Florida buildings are in similar situation.

Must be a lot of them.

If they don't reinforce them all soon, there could be many more of these disasters coming.

I will wait to hear more after an investigation but often stuff that holds up for 40 years was well done but that the geologic or water conditions changed over 40 years. I.E. one explanation could be ground water levels went up or down thus changing some of the facts assumed to exist when the Civil engineer made his calculations back in 1981. Another issue might have been salt water intrusion and how that salt water effected the chosen pilon design; I.E. did it start corrosion?

Then there are possible maintenance issue or defective materials used, etc... There are many possibilities. About the only thing we know for sure is as far back as the 1990's the building was tilting due to uneven subsidence.

Obviously it's because democrats dont run Florida. Come on, man.

 

[Admin.]

cant even grasp it.

You want to grasp me? I'm flattered. But you'll have to wear latex gloves, jic.

 

[deport_liberals]

If Morty Seinfeld had not been impeeched this tragedy could have been avoided...

 

[Adam Hitler]

That recently 'suicided' guy in the Spanish jail cell supposedly had an apartment in there which has of course been destroyed....

No idea if the allegation is true or not and I'm not in the mood to bother chasing up the posts on pol which made the claim, so take it as you will.

 

[Oerdin]

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[Joe]

All posturing by politicians aside, it's been well-known for decades that you can't load Florida soil with that kind of weight since there's no bedrock under it. And it's also been noted by some engineers and other interested parties that this building was in trouble, years ago.

I wonder how many other Florida buildings are in similar situation.

Must be a lot of them.

If they don't reinforce them all soon, there could be many more of these disasters coming.

I will wait to hear more after an investigation but often stuff that holds up for 40 years was well done but that the geologic or water conditions changed over 40 years. I.E. one explanation could be ground water levels went up or down thus changing some of the facts assumed to exist when the Civil engineer made his calculations back in 1981. Another issue might have been salt water intrusion and how that salt water effected the chosen pilon design; I.E. did it start corrosion?

Then there are possible maintenance issue or defective materials used, etc... There are many possibilities. About the only thing we know for sure is as far back as the 1990's the building was tilting due to uneven subsidence.

Obviously it's because democrats dont run Florida. Come on, man.

I think this story has less to do with which party runs a state than a widespread problem which will have ramifications for the building industry and standards in the United States.

However, Florida will feel the brunt of it that they've been too lax on building inspections and standards for too long.