Vaccinate or be Outcast

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The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

The days of vaccine lotteries are waning. Here come the mandates.
“If you want to engage in public spaces where there are other people, you need to get vaccinated.” she said. The choice to get a vaccine is “not just about you.”


Getting a COVID-19 vaccine in summer 2021 could have given you
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. Soon, not getting one could cost you your job.

Health officials and politicians have tried to stay positive in recent months as vaccination rates plummet, turning to ad campaigns touting
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Now health officials say the nation's lagging vaccine rates are creating a spiraling public health crisis as the unvaccinated rapidly get sick and the protective power of vaccines is given a "
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." A growing chorus of voices say people who resist vaccinations should face pressure — and consequences.

Some hospital administrators agree, and healthcare workers who refused to get vaccinated have been fired or quit in
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. In New York City, public health workers who refuse to get vaccinated will face weekly COVID tests.


“Getting the vaccine (should be) the easy choice,” Dr. Leana Wen, a proponent of vaccine mandates, told USA TODAY. “Opting out has to be the hard choice.”

For now, many employers, especially ones outside healthcare, are likely to remain hesitant to mandate vaccines until the full approval comes, Jay Wolfson, a public health expert at the University of South Florida, told USA TODAY. Wolfson also holds a law degree from Stetson University College of Law.

That approval could diminish the threat of employees fighting the mandates in court, Wolfson said. However, such approval could be months away.

Pfizer recently announced that the FDA deemed its application eligible for “priority review” and would decide no later than January. But the agency is widely expected to finish its work far sooner.

Full approval carries the FDA’s strongest endorsement of a product, and, among other steps, it usually requires six months of safety follow-up.

Vaccine rules don't need to require vaccination
Rules aimed at increasing vaccination rates don't necessarily need to be blanket mandates, Wolfson said.

New York City's order for public healthcare workers to be vaccinated or regularly tested as a way of side-stepping potential legal trouble, he said: “You can fire people for not getting tested."

Wolfson expects to see such approaches become more common, especially if delta continues sickening Americans at a high rate.

Jha said the move toward mandates and vaccine rules isn't surprising: “We always kind of knew this day was coming.” Forcing people to get vaccinated "is not some new thing,” he said.

The rules will likely be effective at targeting a huge swath of the unvaccinated population: People who aren't “fundamentally opposed” to getting vaccinated but "don’t think they need one," Jha said.

Wen is aware many Americans think such rules infringe on their liberties. She agrees they have the right to remain unvaccinated — as long as they stay completely isolated and don't put others in society at risk.

“If you want to engage in public spaces where there are other people, you need to get vaccinated.” she said. The choice to get a vaccine is “not just about you.”



Wen, an emergency physician and public professor at George Washington University, said unvaccinated people aren't just risking their own health. They have a high likelihood of transmitting the virus, which endangers vulnerable people — including children who can't yet get vaccinated — and the immunocompromised.

Multiple experts told USA TODAY that a virus circulating at high rates among unvaccinated people tests the effectiveness of vaccines. It also increases the chance that even worse variants of the virus will arise.

Wen is among experts who say vaccine requirements should be seen as akin to laws against drunk driving and other reckless behavior.

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said the Biden administration should embrace "targeted vaccine mandates," with a vaccine requirement for air travel being the most urgent. A
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argued the "carrots" of lotteries and giveaways haven't been enough to convince millions of Americans to get vaccinated, so "it’s time to break out the sticks."

Meanwhile, Israel, France and Italy ramped up pressure on unvaccinated people this week by unveiling various rules requiring people to prove vaccination, prior infection or a recent COVID test to gather in some public places.

But in the U.S., about 100 million people who are eligible for the vaccine still haven't gotten their first dose. According to a new poll conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research,
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“We need something a lot more dramatic,” said Wen. She previously served as Baltimore's Health Commissioner and in her experience “mandates work.”


Anti-vaccine rally protesters hold signs outside of Houston Methodist Hospital in Houston, Texas, on June 26, 2021. - A spokesperson for Houston Methodist Hospital said on June 23, 153 employees either resign or were fired for refusing to be vaccinated.More
Hospitals first battle ground for vaccine mandates
COVID-19 vaccine mandates have long been discussed in the U.S. and are widely considered legal, but the
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have faltered without a federal framework.

So the future of vaccine mandates in the U.S. will be likely driven by employers — not federal or state governments, according to Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of Brown University's School of Public Health.

Employers will be increasingly motivated to make sure their workforce isn't sickened en masse and that infected workers don't endanger customers, Jha said. That's especially true in healthcare, he said.

Hospitals have already been a legal battleground for vaccine mandates. In a notable legal victory for mandates in mid-June, a federal judge said if employees of the Houston Methodist hospital system didn't want to get vaccinated,
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Vaccine requirements in healthcare settings have continued to gain steam in recent days, with the American Hospital Association
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Full approval will pave way for more mandates
A cloud of legal ambiguity has hovered over vaccine mandates for months because no COVID-19 vaccine has yet been fully approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

The vaccines have been distributed under an emergency use authorization status,
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found it was "unclear whether COVID-19 vaccination could be legally mandated while the FDA’s (emergency use authorization) is in place."

But Jha said recent court rulings show the vaccines' current status is not a significant legal barrier that would prevent mandates. He said the distinction is more "psychological" than legal.
 

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Fuck your mandate and the horse you rode in on!

My body my right!

Man, y'all faggits went from "dont ask dont tell" to "FORCE THEM TO COMPLY!". Y'all a scared lot, I tell ya.

Maybe you should get out of your bubble, and you might find that many people you know have either had effects from the vax, or died.

People that got the vax, are still getting it too. So the point is moot.
 
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Fuck your mandate and the horse you rode in on!

My body my right!

Man, y'all faggits went from "dont ask dont tell" to "FORCE THEM TO COMPLY!". Y'all a scared lot, I tell ya.

Maybe you should get out of your bubble, and you might find that many people you know have either had effects from the vax, or died.

People that got the vax, are still getting it too. So the point is moot.
Hey - I just posted the article. Don't shoot the messenger, Clem.

My only interest is keeping you informed about what is coming.
 

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Yep. The left is a dangerous and ignorant cult.

This conversation shouldnt even be occurring until the FDA approves it for regular use. And .....its unconstitutional according to the 14th amendment.
 

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Fuck your mandate and the horse you rode in on!

My body my right!

Man, y'all faggits went from "dont ask dont tell" to "FORCE THEM TO COMPLY!". Y'all a scared lot, I tell ya.

Maybe you should get out of your bubble, and you might find that many people you know have either had effects from the vax, or died.

People that got the vax, are still getting it too. So the point is moot.
Hey - I just posted the article. Don't shoot the messenger, Clem.

My only interest is keeping you informed about what is coming.

But its all scare tactics and misinformation.

Thank you for your interest though.
 

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I agree, capture and cage the vax snowflakes.

Then what, run 'em through the gas chamber?

Its obvious you fucks "think" the majority of us anti vax folks are Trumpers, and you wanted to kill us last year, so no, I wont take the death jab, Im gonna stick around like a splinter in your side. Sorry that y'all fell for the trap, and that most of you will be dead in less than 3 years. Then it will be rise of the white supremacists right?
 

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Fuck your mandate and the horse you rode in on!

My body my right!

Man, y'all faggits went from "dont ask dont tell" to "FORCE THEM TO COMPLY!". Y'all a scared lot, I tell ya.

Maybe you should get out of your bubble, and you might find that many people you know have either had effects from the vax, or died.

People that got the vax, are still getting it too. So the point is moot.

My only interest is keeping you informed about what is coming.

You mean confirm to us what we HAVE been saying while you called us stupid?

Right.

So how's that "authentic liberal" position of yours hanging in there? Final marxist bullet go through it?
 

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I agree, capture and cage the vax snowflakes.

Then what, run 'em through the gas chamber?

Its obvious you fucks "think" the majority of us anti vax folks are Trumpers, and you wanted to kill us last year, so no, I wont take the death jab, Im gonna stick around like a splinter in your side. Sorry that y'all fell for the trap, and that most of you will be dead in less than 3 years. Then it will be rise of the white supremacists right?

Isnt it scary to witness the process that turned Germans on Jews take place in America?

These people have zero problem with the government forcing and imposing its will onto the people. Total brainwashing.
 

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This part is funny

"Wen is aware many Americans think such rules infringe on their liberties. She agrees they have the right to remain unvaccinated — as long as they stay completely isolated and don't put others in society at risk.

“If you want to engage in public spaces where there are other people, you need to get vaccinated.” she said. The choice to get a vaccine is “not just about you.”"

Lmao. That's not how it works. In fact, that's coercion. So by doing that its force. You have no right to tell tax payers that unless they comply with a medical procedure they cannot access society....that's force.

But saying this makes for good propaganda because the amount of marxist thinking people already on board with imposing on the individual will be like "yeah....thats reasonable. Choices have consequences!"

It's like the "choice" trafficking victims have to fuck the trick or not eat later. It's still force/coercion.

Ridiculous anyone could think like that and admit it. Such. .."deep thinkers". Lol.

She literally explains how Americans are correct.....it infringes on their liberties. Get the shot and accept risk from an unapproved vaccine with no long term data or no liberties for you! Yeah no. Ain't happening.

No one is even against it. They just want to wait for more info. So really all this push is going make a lot of people NEVER touch it.
 

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Here ya go, directly from y'all's favorite source, CNN.....

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Thatll get spun into the non-vaxxer agenda

"derp its cuz we let those super spreaders not get the shot.. better call in the forces to help persuade them.." society is a joke
 

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It's because the vaccine doesn't actually prevent you from getting covid it just stops you from getting sick from it.

Which is not at all how vaccines are supposed to work. Louis Pasteur is turning in his grave right now HIS VACCINES DIDN'T NEED MASKS

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I was reading reddit.....which was my first mistake right. It's a cesspool of left wing venom anymore.

Well one women was bitching how her mother doesnt want to vaccine. And I guess she was trying to explain why but since this mother doesn't like Biden the daughter is frustrated.

So get this.. this spoiled controlling bitch tells her own mother "you can do whatever you want but if you dont get this vaccine you will not be allowed around my future baby until you do". And this woman isnt even pregnant.

So she tried to emotionally blackmail her own mother with future grandchildren who dont even exist yet.

And all the wackjobs were applauding this. Like saying this is okay to do. And they were hateful and hysterical about it. Talking about "science" while saying it's okay to use your kids to coerce family into getting this vaccine because these family members who wish to wait are an active danger to society and children.

You guys should go read these people. They are completely unhinged. And what's more is.....nowhere will you find them talking up their own positions or anything Biden/Harris has done. Not one thing.

It's entirely hate and misrepresentation of the other side and endless spewing every media headline/talking point.

Its unhinged for people to feel this much animosity and disgust of other people based on them not wanting to take a vaccine that is using new technology and isnt even approved for regular use. They are completely ignorant....they really view this vaccine as having the same established safety and effectiveness as our established vaccines like MMR, Polio...et. Its wildly ignorant.

The funniest part was watching them pretend they were able to read data better than everyone who didnt vote like them. A nurse chimed in and they called her a traitor to the country.

So the mentality here guys? It's scary shit.
 
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It's because the vaccine doesn't actually prevent you from getting covid it just stops you from getting sick from it.

Which is not at all how vaccines are supposed to work. Louis Pasteur is turning in his grave right now HIS VACCINES DIDN'T NEED MASKS

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Well to be fair, that's fine. The influenza vaccine probably wont stop people from catching the flu but it will stop you from getting as sick as you would have without it. MMR as well....you might still get it but it will be so mild that you wont really know. Though it looks like people ARE getting very sick even having the vaccine.

I'm much more concerned with the fact we have no long term research and how its swelling peoples hearts and causing joint inflammation and who knows what else. No one should be talking about mandating it at this point and it's scary that it's on the table.
 

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Bring on the mandatez...one moar issue for TRUMP to won woth in 2024.

Trump and his hooker wife were vaccinated Mr. Brilliant

How does that change anything?

No one cares who gets the vaccine......people dont want to be forced to take it themselves. So they'll end up supporting the candidate who respects and defends individual liberties and rights.
 

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Bring on the mandatez...one moar issue for TRUMP to won woth in 2024.

Trump and his hooker wife were vaccinated Mr. Brilliant

How does that change anything?

No one cares who gets the vaccine......people dont want to be forced to take it themselves. So they'll end up supporting the candidate who respects and defends individual liberties and rights.

Take it good health Dovey. You better than most should understand this fact.
 

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You will not vax me in a house you will not vax me with a mouse. You will not vax me here or there you will not vax me anywhere.

Cram it and cry moar libs!