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Last September, India was confirming
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. It was on track to overtake the United States to become the country with the highest reported COVID-19 caseload in the world. Hospitals were full. The Indian economy nosedived into an
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recession.

But four months later, India's coronavirus numbers have plummeted. Late last month, on Jan. 26, the country's Health Ministry confirmed a record low of
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— in a country of nearly 1.4 billion people. It was India's lowest daily tally in eight months. On Monday, India
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about 11,000 cases.

"It's not that India is testing less or things are going underreported," says
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, a health economist at Georgetown University. "It's been rising, rising — and now suddenly, it's vanished! I mean, hospital ICU utilization has gone down. Every indicator says the numbers are down."

Scientists say it's a mystery. They're probing why India's coronavirus numbers have declined so dramatically — and so suddenly, in September and October, months before any vaccinations began.

They're trying to figure out what Indians may be doing right and how to mimic that in other countries that are still suffering.


"It's the million-dollar question. Obviously, the classic public health measures are working: Testing has increased, people are going to hospitals earlier and deaths have dropped," says
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, a public health researcher with the Global Health Governance Programme at the University of Edinburgh. "But it's really still a mystery. It's very easy to get complacent, especially because many parts of the world are going through second and third waves. We need to be on our guard."

Scholars are examining India's mask mandates and public compliance, as well as its climate, its demographics and patterns of diseases that typically circulate in the country.

Mask and mandates

India is one of several countries —
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— that have mandated masks in public spaces. Prime Minister Narendra Modi appeared on TV wearing a mask very early in the coronavirus pandemic. The messaging was clear.

In many Indian municipalities, including the megacity Mumbai, police hand out tickets — fines of 200 rupees ($2.75) — to violators. Mumbai's mask mandate even applies outdoors, to joggers on the beach and passengers in open-air rickshaws.

"Every time they fine a person 200 rupees, they also give them a mask to wear," explains Fernandes, a Mumbai native. "Very stereotypically, we [Indians] are known to break rules! You see traffic rules being broken all the time," she says, laughing.

But in the pandemic, when it comes to masks, "the police, the monitoring, enforcement — all that was ramped up," she says.

Authorities
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collected the equivalent of $37,000 in mask fines in Mumbai on New Year's Eve alone.

But the fines and mandates appear to have worked: In a
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, 95% of respondents said they wore a mask the last time they went out. The survey was conducted by phone in June by the
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, India's biggest independent economic policy group.

Awareness is widespread. Whenever you make a phone call in India — on landlines and mobiles — instead of a ring tone, you hear government-sponsored messages warning you to wash your hands and wear a mask. One message was recorded by Bollywood legend Amitabh Bachchan, 78, who
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The mask and hand-washing messages have now been replaced with new ones urging people to get vaccinated; India began vaccinations on Jan. 16.

Heat and humidity

Aside from mask compliance, there's also India's climate: Most of the country is hot and humid. That too has deepened the mystery. There's some evidence that India's climate may help reduce the spread of respiratory viruses. But there's also some evidence to the contrary.

A review of hundreds of scientific articles,
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, found that warm and wet climates seem to reduce the spread of COVID-19. Heat and humidity combine to render coronaviruses less active — though the certainty of that conclusion, the review says, is low.
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that droplets of the virus may stay afloat longer in air that's cold and dry.

"When the air is humid and warm, [the droplets] fall to the ground more quickly, and it makes transmission harder," Elizabeth McGraw, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Dynamics at Pennsylvania State University,
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. (However, the science of transmission is still evolving.)

In a
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, Das, the health economist at Georgetown, found that 76% of patients there did not infect a single other person — though it's unclear why. He and his colleagues examined data collected from contact tracing and found that most patients who did infect others infected only a few other people, while a few patients infected many. Overall, 10% of cases accounted for 80% of infections. One implication, which Das says he's investigating further, is the possibility of making contact tracing more efficient by first testing a patient's immediate family members. If no one at all is infected, the process can end there.

"The temperature, of course, is in our favor. We do not have too cold of a climate," says Dr. Daksha Shah, an epidemiologist and deputy executive health officer for the city of Mumbai. "So many viruses are known to multiply more in colder regions."

But there's also some scientific evidence to the contrary, that India might actually be more conducive to the coronavirus: Research
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says that urban India's severe air pollution might exacerbate COVID-19. Not only does pollution weaken the body's immune system, but when air is thick with pollutants, those particles may help buoy the virus, allowing it to stay airborne longer.

A paper
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says extreme heat may also force people indoors, into air-conditioned spaces — and thus might contribute to the virus's spread. The Natural Resources Defense Council
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that extreme heat can lead to a spike in other illnesses — dehydration, diarrhea — that might lead to overcrowding in hospitals and clinics already struggling to treat victims of COVID-19.

Prevalence of other diseases

Another point to consider about India is
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: malaria, dengue fever, typhoid, hepatitis, cholera. Millions of Indians also lack access to clean drinking water, sanitation and hygienic food. Some experts speculate that people with robust immune systems may be more likely to survive in India in the first place.

"All of us have pretty good immunity! Look at the average Indian: He or she has probably had malaria at some point in his life or typhoid or dengue," says
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, an urban policy expert at the Observer Research Foundation in Mumbai. "You end up with basic immunity toward grave diseases."

Two new scientific papers support that thesis, though they have yet to be peer-reviewed: One study by Indian scientists from Chennai and Pune,
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, found that low- and lower-middle-income countries with less access to health care facilities, hygiene and sanitation actually have lower numbers of COVID-19 deaths per capita. Another study by scientists at India's Dr. Rajendra Prasad Government Medical College,
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, found that COVID-19 deaths per capita are lower in countries where people are exposed to a diverse range of microbes and bacteria.

But experts warn that these two studies are preliminary and should serve only as a springboard for more investigation.

"They're not based on any biological data. So they're good for generating a hypothesis, but now we really need to do the studies that will result in explanations," says Dr.
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, an infectious diseases researcher at the Christian Medical College in Vellore. "I hope scientists work more on this soon. We need deeper dives into India's immune responses."

According to
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, the coronavirus has killed 154,392 people in India as of Feb. 1. That's a mortality rate of 1.44% — much lower than that of the United States or many European countries. (But Brazil's death rate is higher than India's, and Brazil and India are both lower-middle-income countries.)

Demographics

India is a very young country as well. Only
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. More than
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. Those who are young are less likely to die of COVID-19 and are more likely to show no symptoms if infected.

A study of nearly 85,000 coronavirus cases in India,
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, found that the COVID-19 mortality rate actually decreases there after age 65 — possibly because Indians who live past that age are such outliers. There are so few of them.

"Those Indians who do live that long tend to be more healthy than average or more wealthy — or both," says health economist Das.

Serological surveys — random testing for antibodies — show that a majority of people in certain areas of India may have already been exposed to the coronavirus, without developing symptoms. Last week,
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from a fifth serological study of 28,000 people in India's capital showed that 56% of residents already have antibodies, though a final report has not yet been published. The figures were higher in more crowded areas. Last summer,
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by Mumbai's health department and a government think tank found that 57% of Mumbai slum-dwellers and 16% of people living in other areas had antibodies suggesting prior exposure to the coronavirus.

But many experts caution that herd immunity — a controversial term, they say — would only begin to be achieved if at least 60% to 80% of the population had antibodies. It's also unclear whether antibodies convey lasting immunity and, if so, for how long. More serological surveys are needed, they say.

Timing

India's climate and demographics have not changed during the pandemic. And the drop in India's COVID-19 caseload has been recent. It hit a peak in September and has declined inexplicably since then.

In fact, India's numbers went down exactly when experts predicted they would spike: in October, when millions of people gathered for the Hindu festivals of Diwali and Durga Puja. It's when air pollution is also worst, and experts feared
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too.

Cases have also declined despite what many thought would be a superspreader event: tens of thousands of Indian farmers
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for months.

Shah, the epidemiologist, wonders if, just like more infectious variants of the coronavirus have been discovered in the U.K. and elsewhere, perhaps a milder variant may have started mutating in India.

"Some processes must have happened. This is an evolution of the virus itself. In some places there are mutations happening," she says. "We need some more deeper evidence and deeper studies."

The truth is, scientists just don't know.

"Three options: One is that it's gone because of the way people behaved, so we need to continue that behavior. Or it's gone because it's gone and it's never going to come back — great!" says Das, from Georgetown. "Or it's gone, but we don't know why it's gone — and it may come back."

That last option is what keeps scientists and public health experts up at night.

So for now, Indians are kind of holding their breath — just doing what they're doing — until they get vaccinated.


You are a retard.

Look at the "Daily New Deaths" chart on this page:
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Look at the "Daily New Cases" chart. They were getting over 400,000 new cases some days in May.


This is August. They are getting 1/10th that many cases now. What is your point?
 

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I went for a motorcycle ride with a buddy earlier this week and we stopped for a beer and a bite to eat.

His wife got "the jab". She now has a rash all over her body. The doctor says it is not from "the jab", yet it came on within days of getting it and she's never had skin problems before. Now she is on medication and prescription ointments to try to deal with the full-body rash.

I went for another ride with the same friend a few days ago. I missed part of what he told me. It was the second dose that gave his wife the all-over-the-body rash. The first dose gave her a small rash that went away in a few days.

So the second dose gave the same reaction, but much more severe.

And now they are talking about boosters....
 

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Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S.
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A
“We can’t let COVID win.”
This was my colleague’s mantra when the pandemic started last year. And for the almost 18 months since, health care workers have rallied to the battlefields, even at times when we had no weapons to brandish.
We took care of the infected and the critically ill when no one else would. We reused N95 masks, carefully placing them in labeled brown paper bags in between shifts. We witnessed lonely deaths and held up iPads for families to say their heartbreaking goodbyes. We created elaborate backup schedules and neglected our personal lives. We stepped up during surges and when our colleagues fell ill. Camaraderie in the ICU had never been stronger because we recognized that this was a team effort and all of humanity was battling against a common enemy.
But as health care workers, we also were painfully aware of our own vulnerabilities. We can run out of ICU resources for our patients. We can run out of personal protective equipment for ourselves. We can be exposed on the job and get sick. And we can die — many of us did,
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.

Many of us quarantined away from our families to protect the ones we love. We counted the risk factors of our children, our elderly parents, our spouses, and came up with our own formulas to decide whether to come home at the end of the shift or hole up in a hotel room. One of our ICU directors wrote and rewrote our COVID-19 clinical guidelines to keep up with the evolving literature and somehow she carved out the time to write her own will.
The author receiving her COVID-19 vaccination. (Photo: Courtesy of Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S.)
I worked daily to adapt our end-of-life program to the changing needs and restrictions of the pandemic and signed up for a vaccine clinical trial as soon as one became available. I also updated my own advance directive and printed it out for my husband, just in case.
Then, effective vaccines became widely available in the U.S. — I briefly saw light at the end of the tunnel. The number of patients with COVID-19 in ICUs across the country plummeted. It looked like our sacrifices and commitment as health care workers had paid off. We believed herd immunity could become a reality and we could return to some sense of normalcy.
But the relief was short-lived, the hope was fleeting, and we are amid another surge. A surge that is fueled by a highly transmissible variant and those unvaccinated. My experiences in the ICU these past weeks have left me surprised, disheartened, but most of all, angry.
I am angry that the tragic scenes of prior surges are being played out yet again, but now with ICUs primarily filled with patients who have chosen not to be vaccinated. I am angry that it takes me over an hour to explain to an anti-vaxxer full of misinformation that intubation isn’t what “kills patients” and that their wish for chest compressions without intubation in the event of a respiratory arrest makes no sense. I am angry at those who refuse to wear “muzzles” when grocery shopping for half an hour a week, as I have been so-called “muzzled” for much of the past 18 months.
I cannot understand the simultaneous decision to not get vaccinated and the demand to end the restrictions imposed by a pandemic. I cannot help but recoil as if I’ve been slapped in the face when my ICU patient tells me they didn’t get vaccinated because they “just didn’t get around to it.” Although such individuals do not consider themselves anti-vaxxers, their inaction itself is a decision — a decision to not protect themselves or their families, to fill a precious ICU bed, to let new variants flourish, and to endanger the health care workers and immunosuppressed people around them. Their inaction is a decision to let this pandemic continue to rage.
I am at a loss to understand how anyone can look at these past months of the pandemic — more than 600,000 lives lost in the U.S. and more than 4 million worldwide — and not believe it’s real or take it seriously.
And meanwhile, immunocompromised people, for whom vaccines don’t generate much immunity, are desperately waiting for herd immunity. I have no way to comfort my rightfully outraged transplant patients who contracted COVID-19 after isolating for over a year and getting fully vaccinated as soon as they could. With angry tears, these patients tell me it’s not fair that there are people who are choosing to endanger both themselves and the vulnerable people around them. They feel betrayed by their fellow citizens and they are bitter and angry. I cannot blame them.
I am at a loss to understand how anyone can look at these past months of the pandemic — more than 600,000 lives lost in the U.S. and more than 4 million worldwide — and not believe it’s real or take it seriously. But the unhappy truth is that there are people who do not. They did not in the beginning and many are doubling down now.
I thought when this pandemic began that we were all in this fight together, engaged in a war against a common enemy. Now, I painfully realize: Perhaps we were never on the same side and we never had a common enemy. Perhaps the war has been among ourselves all along. We have won many battles but unvaccinated America is choosing to let COVID win the war.
 

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A
“We can’t let COVID win.”
This was my colleague’s mantra when the pandemic started last year. And for the almost 18 months since, health care workers have rallied to the battlefields, even at times when we had no weapons to brandish.
We took care of the infected and the critically ill when no one else would. We reused N95 masks, carefully placing them in labeled brown paper bags in between shifts. We witnessed lonely deaths and held up iPads for families to say their heartbreaking goodbyes. We created elaborate backup schedules and neglected our personal lives. We stepped up during surges and when our colleagues fell ill. Camaraderie in the ICU had never been stronger because we recognized that this was a team effort and all of humanity was battling against a common enemy.
But as health care workers, we also were painfully aware of our own vulnerabilities. We can run out of ICU resources for our patients. We can run out of personal protective equipment for ourselves. We can be exposed on the job and get sick. And we can die — many of us did,
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.

Many of us quarantined away from our families to protect the ones we love. We counted the risk factors of our children, our elderly parents, our spouses, and came up with our own formulas to decide whether to come home at the end of the shift or hole up in a hotel room. One of our ICU directors wrote and rewrote our COVID-19 clinical guidelines to keep up with the evolving literature and somehow she carved out the time to write her own will.
The author receiving her COVID-19 vaccination. (Photo: Courtesy of Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S.)
I worked daily to adapt our end-of-life program to the changing needs and restrictions of the pandemic and signed up for a vaccine clinical trial as soon as one became available. I also updated my own advance directive and printed it out for my husband, just in case.
Then, effective vaccines became widely available in the U.S. — I briefly saw light at the end of the tunnel. The number of patients with COVID-19 in ICUs across the country plummeted. It looked like our sacrifices and commitment as health care workers had paid off. We believed herd immunity could become a reality and we could return to some sense of normalcy.
But the relief was short-lived, the hope was fleeting, and we are amid another surge. A surge that is fueled by a highly transmissible variant and those unvaccinated. My experiences in the ICU these past weeks have left me surprised, disheartened, but most of all, angry.
I am angry that the tragic scenes of prior surges are being played out yet again, but now with ICUs primarily filled with patients who have chosen not to be vaccinated. I am angry that it takes me over an hour to explain to an anti-vaxxer full of misinformation that intubation isn’t what “kills patients” and that their wish for chest compressions without intubation in the event of a respiratory arrest makes no sense. I am angry at those who refuse to wear “muzzles” when grocery shopping for half an hour a week, as I have been so-called “muzzled” for much of the past 18 months.
I cannot understand the simultaneous decision to not get vaccinated and the demand to end the restrictions imposed by a pandemic. I cannot help but recoil as if I’ve been slapped in the face when my ICU patient tells me they didn’t get vaccinated because they “just didn’t get around to it.” Although such individuals do not consider themselves anti-vaxxers, their inaction itself is a decision — a decision to not protect themselves or their families, to fill a precious ICU bed, to let new variants flourish, and to endanger the health care workers and immunosuppressed people around them. Their inaction is a decision to let this pandemic continue to rage.
I am at a loss to understand how anyone can look at these past months of the pandemic — more than 600,000 lives lost in the U.S. and more than 4 million worldwide — and not believe it’s real or take it seriously.
And meanwhile, immunocompromised people, for whom vaccines don’t generate much immunity, are desperately waiting for herd immunity. I have no way to comfort my rightfully outraged transplant patients who contracted COVID-19 after isolating for over a year and getting fully vaccinated as soon as they could. With angry tears, these patients tell me it’s not fair that there are people who are choosing to endanger both themselves and the vulnerable people around them. They feel betrayed by their fellow citizens and they are bitter and angry. I cannot blame them.
I am at a loss to understand how anyone can look at these past months of the pandemic — more than 600,000 lives lost in the U.S. and more than 4 million worldwide — and not believe it’s real or take it seriously. But the unhappy truth is that there are people who do not. They did not in the beginning and many are doubling down now.
I thought when this pandemic began that we were all in this fight together, engaged in a war against a common enemy. Now, I painfully realize: Perhaps we were never on the same side and we never had a common enemy. Perhaps the war has been among ourselves all along. We have won many battles but unvaccinated America is choosing to let COVID win the war.
Oi turkey-breath...try a little bit of critical thinking for yourself, it may have served you well in the past! Think about it...
:Frustration1:
 

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Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S.
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A
“We can’t let COVID win.”
This was my colleague’s mantra when the pandemic started last year. And for the almost 18 months since, health care workers have rallied to the battlefields, even at times when we had no weapons to brandish.
We took care of the infected and the critically ill when no one else would. We reused N95 masks, carefully placing them in labeled brown paper bags in between shifts. We witnessed lonely deaths and held up iPads for families to say their heartbreaking goodbyes. We created elaborate backup schedules and neglected our personal lives. We stepped up during surges and when our colleagues fell ill. Camaraderie in the ICU had never been stronger because we recognized that this was a team effort and all of humanity was battling against a common enemy.
But as health care workers, we also were painfully aware of our own vulnerabilities. We can run out of ICU resources for our patients. We can run out of personal protective equipment for ourselves. We can be exposed on the job and get sick. And we can die — many of us did,
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.

Many of us quarantined away from our families to protect the ones we love. We counted the risk factors of our children, our elderly parents, our spouses, and came up with our own formulas to decide whether to come home at the end of the shift or hole up in a hotel room. One of our ICU directors wrote and rewrote our COVID-19 clinical guidelines to keep up with the evolving literature and somehow she carved out the time to write her own will.
The author receiving her COVID-19 vaccination. (Photo: Courtesy of Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S.)
I worked daily to adapt our end-of-life program to the changing needs and restrictions of the pandemic and signed up for a vaccine clinical trial as soon as one became available. I also updated my own advance directive and printed it out for my husband, just in case.
Then, effective vaccines became widely available in the U.S. — I briefly saw light at the end of the tunnel. The number of patients with COVID-19 in ICUs across the country plummeted. It looked like our sacrifices and commitment as health care workers had paid off. We believed herd immunity could become a reality and we could return to some sense of normalcy.
But the relief was short-lived, the hope was fleeting, and we are amid another surge. A surge that is fueled by a highly transmissible variant and those unvaccinated. My experiences in the ICU these past weeks have left me surprised, disheartened, but most of all, angry.
I am angry that the tragic scenes of prior surges are being played out yet again, but now with ICUs primarily filled with patients who have chosen not to be vaccinated. I am angry that it takes me over an hour to explain to an anti-vaxxer full of misinformation that intubation isn’t what “kills patients” and that their wish for chest compressions without intubation in the event of a respiratory arrest makes no sense. I am angry at those who refuse to wear “muzzles” when grocery shopping for half an hour a week, as I have been so-called “muzzled” for much of the past 18 months.
I cannot understand the simultaneous decision to not get vaccinated and the demand to end the restrictions imposed by a pandemic. I cannot help but recoil as if I’ve been slapped in the face when my ICU patient tells me they didn’t get vaccinated because they “just didn’t get around to it.” Although such individuals do not consider themselves anti-vaxxers, their inaction itself is a decision — a decision to not protect themselves or their families, to fill a precious ICU bed, to let new variants flourish, and to endanger the health care workers and immunosuppressed people around them. Their inaction is a decision to let this pandemic continue to rage.
I am at a loss to understand how anyone can look at these past months of the pandemic — more than 600,000 lives lost in the U.S. and more than 4 million worldwide — and not believe it’s real or take it seriously.
And meanwhile, immunocompromised people, for whom vaccines don’t generate much immunity, are desperately waiting for herd immunity. I have no way to comfort my rightfully outraged transplant patients who contracted COVID-19 after isolating for over a year and getting fully vaccinated as soon as they could. With angry tears, these patients tell me it’s not fair that there are people who are choosing to endanger both themselves and the vulnerable people around them. They feel betrayed by their fellow citizens and they are bitter and angry. I cannot blame them.
I am at a loss to understand how anyone can look at these past months of the pandemic — more than 600,000 lives lost in the U.S. and more than 4 million worldwide — and not believe it’s real or take it seriously. But the unhappy truth is that there are people who do not. They did not in the beginning and many are doubling down now.
I thought when this pandemic began that we were all in this fight together, engaged in a war against a common enemy. Now, I painfully realize: Perhaps we were never on the same side and we never had a common enemy. Perhaps the war has been among ourselves all along. We have won many battles but unvaccinated America is choosing to let COVID win the war.
Oi turkey-breath...try a little bit of critical thinking for yourself, it may have served you well in the past! Think about it...
:Frustration1:

Their entire line if logic rests on how THEY need the government to tell them how to take care of themselves. And if you dont do as the government says, you will die.

And Admin thinks 1. That masks protect the ones wearing them and 2. Somehow I'm against the use of masks.

Something about people making their choices really enrages them. And in this power struggle for control.....they are just fucking things up.
 

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But what of FREEDUMB!?

U.S. hits Biden’s 70% vaccine goal as holdouts in hot spots like Florida and Louisiana rush to get shots
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DeSantis leading Floriduh off a Cliff:

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In all honesty, nobody gives a fuck about geriatric Biden. He was a means to an end, and at the end of the day, the old man can’t think for himself without sharting.
 
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Florida and Texas accounted for one-third of all new U.S. coronavirus cases last week

WASHINGTON — States with low vaccination rates are driving a new coronavirus wave sweeping over the nation, with the much more transmissible Delta strain filling hospitals across the southern U.S.

Two states, Texas and Florida, stand out as hot spots, accounting for a full third of all new cases nationwide last week, White House pandemic response coordinator Jeff Zients revealed during
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. Over the weekend, Florida had the unwelcome distinction of breaking a national record,
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, the most for one day in the state since the pandemic began in early 2020.


“From the start, we’ve known this virus is unpredictable,” Zients said. Last month, President Biden all but declared victory over the coronavirus, saying in a July 4 speech that it “no longer paralyzes our nation.” Even then, however, the Delta variant was proliferating with increasing speed across the country. The president’s triumphalism
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, giving people a false sense of security.

Republican governors like Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas had not waited for Biden to herald the pandemic’s end, with DeSantis in particular having spent much of the summer basking in conservative adulation over his handling of the pandemic. Criticism of that approach has grown louder of late, especially as localities seek to impose new mask mandates in keeping with
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issued last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

DeSantis and Abbott have vigorously fought such mandates in recent days, reviving
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. Public health experts, meanwhile, say that masks can help blunt the one advantage the Delta variant appears to enjoy: its increased transmissibility.

Overall, the coronavirus vaccines remain exceptionally good at preventing infection in the first place. And even when vaccinated people do become infected with the Delta variant, they tend to experience only mild illness. But they still can spread the coronavirus, as a recent case study of a Provincetown, Mass., cluster showed. It was
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that forced the CDC to come out in favor of masking in areas of high or substantial viral activity.

Because most people in Provincetown were vaccinated, only seven out of about 900 people in the cluster ended up in the hospital. Even more significant, none died. “Our vaccines did exactly what they were supposed to do,” said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky on Monday. In addition, she noted that authorities there quickly reimposed a mask mandate, a decision that helped end the outbreak.


Vaccination rates in Provincetown are among the highest in Massachusetts, which is the second-most vaccinated state in the nation after Vermont. And there appeared to be little resistance to masking among its residents and visitors.

That doesn’t make Provincetown an especially instructive case when it comes to tracking the progress of the pandemic nationwide. Zients said that the seven states with
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(Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, Arkansas, Louisiana, Idaho and Georgia) account for 8.5 percent of the U.S. population but 17 percent of all new cases.


“This remains a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Walensky reminded on Monday, “where the vast majority of spread in this country is among those who are unvaccinated.”

Texas has fully vaccinated 44 percent of its residents, while Florida has immunized 49 percent. DeSantis spent much of the spring lashing out against vaccine mandates and passports. He also recently invited Mark McDonald, an anti-vaccine advocate from Los Angeles,
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.

Abbott recently signed a measure banning vaccine and mask mandates. Like DeSantis, he is a potential 2024 candidate for president.

and: (interesting maps)

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Missouri has seen an increase of nearly 560% in new cases, 205% virus-related hospitalizations since early June -- staggering increases, which have been exacerbated by the low number of residents -- just over 41% -- who are fully vaccinated.


"We really need higher vaccination penetration in our communities to slow this down," Page said.


However, Missouri is one of the many states in the nation which has experienced a significant, newfound demand for COVID-19 vaccinations in the last several weeks. Vaccinations statewide increased by approximately 100% in the last two weeks of July.

While the uptick in shots has been most notable in the states that have been recently hardest hit by the
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, the entire country is experiencing a rising vaccination rate.

According to an ABC News analysis of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data from the last three weeks, every state has reported an increase in its average number of first doses administered, with the national rate of Americans receiving their first dose up by more than 73%.

Similarly, in the last week alone, vaccination rates have increased by nearly 20% in young Americans, ages 12-17, and by more than 25% in adults.

And on Sunday, the White House reported more than 800,000 vaccine doses administered, including first and second doses, marking the fifth consecutive day with more than 700,000 doses were reported administered. The uptick pushed the national vaccination average to more than 637,000 doses administered each day -- up by more than 24% in the last two weeks.
 
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Florida and Texas accounted for one-third of all new U.S. coronavirus cases last week

WASHINGTON — States with low vaccination rates are driving a new coronavirus wave sweeping over the nation, with the much more transmissible Delta strain filling hospitals across the southern U.S.

Two states, Texas and Florida, stand out as hot spots, accounting for a full third of all new cases nationwide last week, White House pandemic response coordinator Jeff Zients revealed during
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. Over the weekend, Florida had the unwelcome distinction of breaking a national record,
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, the most for one day in the state since the pandemic began in early 2020.


“From the start, we’ve known this virus is unpredictable,” Zients said. Last month, President Biden all but declared victory over the coronavirus, saying in a July 4 speech that it “no longer paralyzes our nation.” Even then, however, the Delta variant was proliferating with increasing speed across the country. The president’s triumphalism
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, giving people a false sense of security.

Republican governors like Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas had not waited for Biden to herald the pandemic’s end, with DeSantis in particular having spent much of the summer basking in conservative adulation over his handling of the pandemic. Criticism of that approach has grown louder of late, especially as localities seek to impose new mask mandates in keeping with
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issued last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

DeSantis and Abbott have vigorously fought such mandates in recent days, reviving
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. Public health experts, meanwhile, say that masks can help blunt the one advantage the Delta variant appears to enjoy: its increased transmissibility.

Overall, the coronavirus vaccines remain exceptionally good at preventing infection in the first place. And even when vaccinated people do become infected with the Delta variant, they tend to experience only mild illness. But they still can spread the coronavirus, as a recent case study of a Provincetown, Mass., cluster showed. It was
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that forced the CDC to come out in favor of masking in areas of high or substantial viral activity.

Because most people in Provincetown were vaccinated, only seven out of about 900 people in the cluster ended up in the hospital. Even more significant, none died. “Our vaccines did exactly what they were supposed to do,” said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky on Monday. In addition, she noted that authorities there quickly reimposed a mask mandate, a decision that helped end the outbreak.


Vaccination rates in Provincetown are among the highest in Massachusetts, which is the second-most vaccinated state in the nation after Vermont. And there appeared to be little resistance to masking among its residents and visitors.

That doesn’t make Provincetown an especially instructive case when it comes to tracking the progress of the pandemic nationwide. Zients said that the seven states with
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(Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, Arkansas, Louisiana, Idaho and Georgia) account for 8.5 percent of the U.S. population but 17 percent of all new cases.


“This remains a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Walensky reminded on Monday, “where the vast majority of spread in this country is among those who are unvaccinated.”

Texas has fully vaccinated 44 percent of its residents, while Florida has immunized 49 percent. DeSantis spent much of the spring lashing out against vaccine mandates and passports. He also recently invited Mark McDonald, an anti-vaccine advocate from Los Angeles,
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.

Abbott recently signed a measure banning vaccine and mask mandates. Like DeSantis, he is a potential 2024 candidate for president.

and: (interesting maps)

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Missouri has seen an increase of nearly 560% in new cases, 205% virus-related hospitalizations since early June -- staggering increases, which have been exacerbated by the low number of residents -- just over 41% -- who are fully vaccinated.


"We really need higher vaccination penetration in our communities to slow this down," Page said.


However, Missouri is one of the many states in the nation which has experienced a significant, newfound demand for COVID-19 vaccinations in the last several weeks. Vaccinations statewide increased by approximately 100% in the last two weeks of July.

While the uptick in shots has been most notable in the states that have been recently hardest hit by the
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, the entire country is experiencing a rising vaccination rate.

According to an ABC News analysis of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data from the last three weeks, every state has reported an increase in its average number of first doses administered, with the national rate of Americans receiving their first dose up by more than 73%.

Similarly, in the last week alone, vaccination rates have increased by nearly 20% in young Americans, ages 12-17, and by more than 25% in adults.

And on Sunday, the White House reported more than 800,000 vaccine doses administered, including first and second doses, marking the fifth consecutive day with more than 700,000 doses were reported administered. The uptick pushed the national vaccination average to more than 637,000 doses administered each day -- up by more than 24% in the last two weeks.

So the science says that vaccinated people are still catching it AND spreading it, correct?

And Florida and TX are both border states right?

And we have an endless flood of immigrants coming on it with these outbreaks going on and they are being bused and flown all over the country.

So considering even vaccinated people can catch and I spread it, and the high numbers are the border states......how exactly are we justifying not just leaving the border open, but allowing a heavy volume to come in and go all over the country?

Or is it just Republicans and conservatives who spread it?

Other countries have their borders closed and they are doing pretty good compared to us.
 

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Vaccine Mandates Aren’t Enough. Make Unvaccinated People Pay if They Harm Others.




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Arthur L. Caplan and Dorit R. Reiss
Updated Aug. 3, 2021 8:49 am ET / Original Aug. 3, 2021 5:00 am ET
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About the authors: Arthur L. Caplan is professor of bioethics and the founding head of New York University School of Medicine’s Division of Medical Ethics. Dorit R. Reiss is a professor of law at UC Hastings College of Law.

The unvaccinated in the United States are imposing costs and harms on the rest of us. They are, as they incessantly point out, free to choose not to vaccinate. But they should pay for their poor choices that hurt others.
Covid-19 continues to rage through the United States, harming and killing people. Daily deaths
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last week, as recorded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s 7-day moving average. But as the virus surges again, the distribution of damage has changed. It is now overwhemingly killing and harming the unvaccinated – by choice or not. An
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by the Kaiser Family Foundation put the rate of breakthrough cases at well under 1% for the fully vaccinated.
In this situation, those who do not vaccinate are not just risking their health, but putting others at risk of a disease that can harm and kill them. The unvaccinated include children who cannot be vaccinated, those who have access barriers, and vaccine refusers. Further, in those with immune disorders—or people with, for example, cancer—vaccine effectiveness is lower. The intentionally unvaccinated are also delaying the point at which we can resume prepandemic life, by prolonging the pandemic and creating a real risk of more variants emerging, including variants for which current vaccines would perhaps be less effective.

One solution that some cities and states are seizing upon are mandates that limit the ability of those who choose not to vaccinate to risk others, by requiring vaccines as a condition for certain jobs or to attend university. We have no great choice here: limit liberty, or lose lives and lose liberty in the long-term, as the disease rages.
But there are other policy options to consider in addition to mandates, or instead, in states where mandates are not politically viable. A natural option is to require those who choose not to vaccinate or mask and infect others to
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We routinely impose costs on those who harm others by failing to take precautions. We impose costs on drivers who don’t stop at stop lights, campers who are not careful and cause fires, and homeowners who don’t shovel snow from their sidewalks. If a person negligently failed to take precautions against Covid-19, we can and should require them to be responsible. Covid-19 vaccines have been given to over 160 million people in the United States. They have an extraordinary safety record. Serious harms can happen from them, but are very rare and much rarer than the dangers of the disease. Expert bodies recommend vaccines. Those who refuse to vaccinate are acting against the established risk-benefit balance, against expert recommendations, against reasonable prudence and are risking the well-being of others. Shouldn’t they be held to account?

Usually, we do not impose liability based on nonaction. If you sit and watch a baby crawl into a puddle, and do nothing, your actions may be morally reprehensible, but you are not legally liable. But not always. Sometimes, for policy reasons, we do impose liability. For example, courts have required psychiatrists to warn victims of potentially violent patients, seeing them as the best—sometimes only—harm preventer. Arguably, prolonging a pandemic because you don’t want to protect yourself and others justifies liability. Further, those refusing to take Covid-19 vaccines are not just passive bystanders. They are in this pandemic like the rest of us, and one way or another, they are acting to either reduce it or prolong it. If they act to prolong, they should pay.
Just as someone who does not stop at a red light may have to cover medical costs, lost wages and earning capacity, and pain and suffering an accident victim may face, an unvaccinated individual who hospitalized someone else may be liable for hospital costs, potential lost wages, and declining earning capacity.
One potential concern is that it may be difficult to track a Covid-19 infection to its source. That can be a real issue, but it is one that comes up in car accidents, forest fires, and slip and falls too. We do not always know who causes the accident, and sometimes, that prevents compensation. Courts usually address this uncertainty by requiring the person suing for payment to convince the jury that it’s more than 50% likely that an unvaccinated individual caused the harm. That plaintiffs sometimes fail to meet that standard does not stop courts from moving forward when they can.
And no, requiring liability does not mean holding those who cannot vaccinate—medically, by age, or by lack of access—liable. Nor does it mean those who suffered vaccine failure are liable. Those who cannot, or who took the precaution and it did not work, are meaningfully different than those who willingly choose not to, just as the person who did not stop at a stop light is different than the one who tried to stop, but was pushed into the crossing when another car crashed into them from behind.

Choices have consequences. Personal responsibility matters. Want to reject expert opinion and the established facts about Covid and put yourself and others at risk? Then you should pay, if your choice harms others.
 

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Florida and Texas accounted for one-third of all new U.S. coronavirus cases last week

WASHINGTON — States with low vaccination rates are driving a new coronavirus wave sweeping over the nation, with the much more transmissible Delta strain filling hospitals across the southern U.S.

Two states, Texas and Florida, stand out as hot spots, accounting for a full third of all new cases nationwide last week, White House pandemic response coordinator Jeff Zients revealed during
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. Over the weekend, Florida had the unwelcome distinction of breaking a national record,
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, the most for one day in the state since the pandemic began in early 2020.


“From the start, we’ve known this virus is unpredictable,” Zients said. Last month, President Biden all but declared victory over the coronavirus, saying in a July 4 speech that it “no longer paralyzes our nation.” Even then, however, the Delta variant was proliferating with increasing speed across the country. The president’s triumphalism
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, giving people a false sense of security.

Republican governors like Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas had not waited for Biden to herald the pandemic’s end, with DeSantis in particular having spent much of the summer basking in conservative adulation over his handling of the pandemic. Criticism of that approach has grown louder of late, especially as localities seek to impose new mask mandates in keeping with
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issued last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

DeSantis and Abbott have vigorously fought such mandates in recent days, reviving
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. Public health experts, meanwhile, say that masks can help blunt the one advantage the Delta variant appears to enjoy: its increased transmissibility.

Overall, the coronavirus vaccines remain exceptionally good at preventing infection in the first place. And even when vaccinated people do become infected with the Delta variant, they tend to experience only mild illness. But they still can spread the coronavirus, as a recent case study of a Provincetown, Mass., cluster showed. It was
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that forced the CDC to come out in favor of masking in areas of high or substantial viral activity.

Because most people in Provincetown were vaccinated, only seven out of about 900 people in the cluster ended up in the hospital. Even more significant, none died. “Our vaccines did exactly what they were supposed to do,” said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky on Monday. In addition, she noted that authorities there quickly reimposed a mask mandate, a decision that helped end the outbreak.


Vaccination rates in Provincetown are among the highest in Massachusetts, which is the second-most vaccinated state in the nation after Vermont. And there appeared to be little resistance to masking among its residents and visitors.

That doesn’t make Provincetown an especially instructive case when it comes to tracking the progress of the pandemic nationwide. Zients said that the seven states with
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(Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, Arkansas, Louisiana, Idaho and Georgia) account for 8.5 percent of the U.S. population but 17 percent of all new cases.


“This remains a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Walensky reminded on Monday, “where the vast majority of spread in this country is among those who are unvaccinated.”

Texas has fully vaccinated 44 percent of its residents, while Florida has immunized 49 percent. DeSantis spent much of the spring lashing out against vaccine mandates and passports. He also recently invited Mark McDonald, an anti-vaccine advocate from Los Angeles,
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.

Abbott recently signed a measure banning vaccine and mask mandates. Like DeSantis, he is a potential 2024 candidate for president.

and: (interesting maps)

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Missouri has seen an increase of nearly 560% in new cases, 205% virus-related hospitalizations since early June -- staggering increases, which have been exacerbated by the low number of residents -- just over 41% -- who are fully vaccinated.


"We really need higher vaccination penetration in our communities to slow this down," Page said.


However, Missouri is one of the many states in the nation which has experienced a significant, newfound demand for COVID-19 vaccinations in the last several weeks. Vaccinations statewide increased by approximately 100% in the last two weeks of July.

While the uptick in shots has been most notable in the states that have been recently hardest hit by the
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, the entire country is experiencing a rising vaccination rate.

According to an ABC News analysis of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data from the last three weeks, every state has reported an increase in its average number of first doses administered, with the national rate of Americans receiving their first dose up by more than 73%.

Similarly, in the last week alone, vaccination rates have increased by nearly 20% in young Americans, ages 12-17, and by more than 25% in adults.

And on Sunday, the White House reported more than 800,000 vaccine doses administered, including first and second doses, marking the fifth consecutive day with more than 700,000 doses were reported administered. The uptick pushed the national vaccination average to more than 637,000 doses administered each day -- up by more than 24% in the last two weeks.

So the science says that vaccinated people are still catching it AND spreading it, correct?

And Florida and TX are both border states right?

And we have an endless flood of immigrants coming on it with these outbreaks going on and they are being bused and flown all over the country.

So considering even vaccinated people can catch and I spread it, and the high numbers are the border states......how exactly are we justifying not just leaving the border open, but allowing a heavy volume to come in and go all over the country?

Or is it just Republicans and conservatives who spread it?

Other countries have their borders closed and they are doing pretty good compared to us.
Yes, Florida borders Puerto Rico.
 

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Florida and Texas accounted for one-third of all new U.S. coronavirus cases last week

WASHINGTON — States with low vaccination rates are driving a new coronavirus wave sweeping over the nation, with the much more transmissible Delta strain filling hospitals across the southern U.S.

Two states, Texas and Florida, stand out as hot spots, accounting for a full third of all new cases nationwide last week, White House pandemic response coordinator Jeff Zients revealed during
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. Over the weekend, Florida had the unwelcome distinction of breaking a national record,
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, the most for one day in the state since the pandemic began in early 2020.


“From the start, we’ve known this virus is unpredictable,” Zients said. Last month, President Biden all but declared victory over the coronavirus, saying in a July 4 speech that it “no longer paralyzes our nation.” Even then, however, the Delta variant was proliferating with increasing speed across the country. The president’s triumphalism
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, giving people a false sense of security.

Republican governors like Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas had not waited for Biden to herald the pandemic’s end, with DeSantis in particular having spent much of the summer basking in conservative adulation over his handling of the pandemic. Criticism of that approach has grown louder of late, especially as localities seek to impose new mask mandates in keeping with
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
issued last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

DeSantis and Abbott have vigorously fought such mandates in recent days, reviving
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. Public health experts, meanwhile, say that masks can help blunt the one advantage the Delta variant appears to enjoy: its increased transmissibility.

Overall, the coronavirus vaccines remain exceptionally good at preventing infection in the first place. And even when vaccinated people do become infected with the Delta variant, they tend to experience only mild illness. But they still can spread the coronavirus, as a recent case study of a Provincetown, Mass., cluster showed. It was
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
that forced the CDC to come out in favor of masking in areas of high or substantial viral activity.

Because most people in Provincetown were vaccinated, only seven out of about 900 people in the cluster ended up in the hospital. Even more significant, none died. “Our vaccines did exactly what they were supposed to do,” said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky on Monday. In addition, she noted that authorities there quickly reimposed a mask mandate, a decision that helped end the outbreak.


Vaccination rates in Provincetown are among the highest in Massachusetts, which is the second-most vaccinated state in the nation after Vermont. And there appeared to be little resistance to masking among its residents and visitors.

That doesn’t make Provincetown an especially instructive case when it comes to tracking the progress of the pandemic nationwide. Zients said that the seven states with
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
(Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, Arkansas, Louisiana, Idaho and Georgia) account for 8.5 percent of the U.S. population but 17 percent of all new cases.


“This remains a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Walensky reminded on Monday, “where the vast majority of spread in this country is among those who are unvaccinated.”

Texas has fully vaccinated 44 percent of its residents, while Florida has immunized 49 percent. DeSantis spent much of the spring lashing out against vaccine mandates and passports. He also recently invited Mark McDonald, an anti-vaccine advocate from Los Angeles,
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

Abbott recently signed a measure banning vaccine and mask mandates. Like DeSantis, he is a potential 2024 candidate for president.

and: (interesting maps)

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Missouri has seen an increase of nearly 560% in new cases, 205% virus-related hospitalizations since early June -- staggering increases, which have been exacerbated by the low number of residents -- just over 41% -- who are fully vaccinated.


"We really need higher vaccination penetration in our communities to slow this down," Page said.


However, Missouri is one of the many states in the nation which has experienced a significant, newfound demand for COVID-19 vaccinations in the last several weeks. Vaccinations statewide increased by approximately 100% in the last two weeks of July.

While the uptick in shots has been most notable in the states that have been recently hardest hit by the
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, the entire country is experiencing a rising vaccination rate.

According to an ABC News analysis of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data from the last three weeks, every state has reported an increase in its average number of first doses administered, with the national rate of Americans receiving their first dose up by more than 73%.

Similarly, in the last week alone, vaccination rates have increased by nearly 20% in young Americans, ages 12-17, and by more than 25% in adults.

And on Sunday, the White House reported more than 800,000 vaccine doses administered, including first and second doses, marking the fifth consecutive day with more than 700,000 doses were reported administered. The uptick pushed the national vaccination average to more than 637,000 doses administered each day -- up by more than 24% in the last two weeks.

So the science says that vaccinated people are still catching it AND spreading it, correct?

And Florida and TX are both border states right?

And we have an endless flood of immigrants coming on it with these outbreaks going on and they are being bused and flown all over the country.

So considering even vaccinated people can catch and I spread it, and the high numbers are the border states......how exactly are we justifying not just leaving the border open, but allowing a heavy volume to come in and go all over the country?

Or is it just Republicans and conservatives who spread it?

Other countries have their borders closed and they are doing pretty good compared to us.
Yes, Florida borders Puerto Rico.

And Cuba. People come up from there often. As well as from Hiati and Jamaica.
 

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Florida and Texas accounted for one-third of all new U.S. coronavirus cases last week

WASHINGTON — States with low vaccination rates are driving a new coronavirus wave sweeping over the nation, with the much more transmissible Delta strain filling hospitals across the southern U.S.

Two states, Texas and Florida, stand out as hot spots, accounting for a full third of all new cases nationwide last week, White House pandemic response coordinator Jeff Zients revealed during
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. Over the weekend, Florida had the unwelcome distinction of breaking a national record,
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, the most for one day in the state since the pandemic began in early 2020.


“From the start, we’ve known this virus is unpredictable,” Zients said. Last month, President Biden all but declared victory over the coronavirus, saying in a July 4 speech that it “no longer paralyzes our nation.” Even then, however, the Delta variant was proliferating with increasing speed across the country. The president’s triumphalism
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, giving people a false sense of security.

Republican governors like Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas had not waited for Biden to herald the pandemic’s end, with DeSantis in particular having spent much of the summer basking in conservative adulation over his handling of the pandemic. Criticism of that approach has grown louder of late, especially as localities seek to impose new mask mandates in keeping with
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issued last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

DeSantis and Abbott have vigorously fought such mandates in recent days, reviving
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
. Public health experts, meanwhile, say that masks can help blunt the one advantage the Delta variant appears to enjoy: its increased transmissibility.

Overall, the coronavirus vaccines remain exceptionally good at preventing infection in the first place. And even when vaccinated people do become infected with the Delta variant, they tend to experience only mild illness. But they still can spread the coronavirus, as a recent case study of a Provincetown, Mass., cluster showed. It was
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
that forced the CDC to come out in favor of masking in areas of high or substantial viral activity.

Because most people in Provincetown were vaccinated, only seven out of about 900 people in the cluster ended up in the hospital. Even more significant, none died. “Our vaccines did exactly what they were supposed to do,” said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky on Monday. In addition, she noted that authorities there quickly reimposed a mask mandate, a decision that helped end the outbreak.


Vaccination rates in Provincetown are among the highest in Massachusetts, which is the second-most vaccinated state in the nation after Vermont. And there appeared to be little resistance to masking among its residents and visitors.

That doesn’t make Provincetown an especially instructive case when it comes to tracking the progress of the pandemic nationwide. Zients said that the seven states with
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
(Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, Arkansas, Louisiana, Idaho and Georgia) account for 8.5 percent of the U.S. population but 17 percent of all new cases.


“This remains a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Walensky reminded on Monday, “where the vast majority of spread in this country is among those who are unvaccinated.”

Texas has fully vaccinated 44 percent of its residents, while Florida has immunized 49 percent. DeSantis spent much of the spring lashing out against vaccine mandates and passports. He also recently invited Mark McDonald, an anti-vaccine advocate from Los Angeles,
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

Abbott recently signed a measure banning vaccine and mask mandates. Like DeSantis, he is a potential 2024 candidate for president.

and: (interesting maps)

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


Missouri has seen an increase of nearly 560% in new cases, 205% virus-related hospitalizations since early June -- staggering increases, which have been exacerbated by the low number of residents -- just over 41% -- who are fully vaccinated.


"We really need higher vaccination penetration in our communities to slow this down," Page said.


However, Missouri is one of the many states in the nation which has experienced a significant, newfound demand for COVID-19 vaccinations in the last several weeks. Vaccinations statewide increased by approximately 100% in the last two weeks of July.

While the uptick in shots has been most notable in the states that have been recently hardest hit by the
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, the entire country is experiencing a rising vaccination rate.

According to an ABC News analysis of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data from the last three weeks, every state has reported an increase in its average number of first doses administered, with the national rate of Americans receiving their first dose up by more than 73%.

Similarly, in the last week alone, vaccination rates have increased by nearly 20% in young Americans, ages 12-17, and by more than 25% in adults.

And on Sunday, the White House reported more than 800,000 vaccine doses administered, including first and second doses, marking the fifth consecutive day with more than 700,000 doses were reported administered. The uptick pushed the national vaccination average to more than 637,000 doses administered each day -- up by more than 24% in the last two weeks.

So the science says that vaccinated people are still catching it AND spreading it, correct?

And Florida and TX are both border states right?

And we have an endless flood of immigrants coming on it with these outbreaks going on and they are being bused and flown all over the country.

So considering even vaccinated people can catch and I spread it, and the high numbers are the border states......how exactly are we justifying not just leaving the border open, but allowing a heavy volume to come in and go all over the country?

Or is it just Republicans and conservatives who spread it?

Other countries have their borders closed and they are doing pretty good compared to us.
Yes, Florida borders Puerto Rico.

And Cuba. People come up from there often. As well as from Hiati and Jamaica.
Don't forget Venezuela too, and Nigeria.
 

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Vaccine Mandates Aren’t Enough. Make Unvaccinated People Pay if They Harm Others.




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By
Arthur L. Caplan and Dorit R. Reiss
Updated Aug. 3, 2021 8:49 am ET / Original Aug. 3, 2021 5:00 am ET
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We impose costs on drivers who don’t stop at stop lights. Why not individuals who decide not to vaccinate?
Eva Marie Uzcategui/Bloomberg
About the authors: Arthur L. Caplan is professor of bioethics and the founding head of New York University School of Medicine’s Division of Medical Ethics. Dorit R. Reiss is a professor of law at UC Hastings College of Law.

The unvaccinated in the United States are imposing costs and harms on the rest of us. They are, as they incessantly point out, free to choose not to vaccinate. But they should pay for their poor choices that hurt others.
Covid-19 continues to rage through the United States, harming and killing people. Daily deaths
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last week, as recorded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s 7-day moving average. But as the virus surges again, the distribution of damage has changed. It is now overwhemingly killing and harming the unvaccinated – by choice or not. An
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by the Kaiser Family Foundation put the rate of breakthrough cases at well under 1% for the fully vaccinated.
In this situation, those who do not vaccinate are not just risking their health, but putting others at risk of a disease that can harm and kill them. The unvaccinated include children who cannot be vaccinated, those who have access barriers, and vaccine refusers. Further, in those with immune disorders—or people with, for example, cancer—vaccine effectiveness is lower. The intentionally unvaccinated are also delaying the point at which we can resume prepandemic life, by prolonging the pandemic and creating a real risk of more variants emerging, including variants for which current vaccines would perhaps be less effective.

One solution that some cities and states are seizing upon are mandates that limit the ability of those who choose not to vaccinate to risk others, by requiring vaccines as a condition for certain jobs or to attend university. We have no great choice here: limit liberty, or lose lives and lose liberty in the long-term, as the disease rages.
But there are other policy options to consider in addition to mandates, or instead, in states where mandates are not politically viable. A natural option is to require those who choose not to vaccinate or mask and infect others to
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We routinely impose costs on those who harm others by failing to take precautions. We impose costs on drivers who don’t stop at stop lights, campers who are not careful and cause fires, and homeowners who don’t shovel snow from their sidewalks. If a person negligently failed to take precautions against Covid-19, we can and should require them to be responsible. Covid-19 vaccines have been given to over 160 million people in the United States. They have an extraordinary safety record. Serious harms can happen from them, but are very rare and much rarer than the dangers of the disease. Expert bodies recommend vaccines. Those who refuse to vaccinate are acting against the established risk-benefit balance, against expert recommendations, against reasonable prudence and are risking the well-being of others. Shouldn’t they be held to account?

Usually, we do not impose liability based on nonaction. If you sit and watch a baby crawl into a puddle, and do nothing, your actions may be morally reprehensible, but you are not legally liable. But not always. Sometimes, for policy reasons, we do impose liability. For example, courts have required psychiatrists to warn victims of potentially violent patients, seeing them as the best—sometimes only—harm preventer. Arguably, prolonging a pandemic because you don’t want to protect yourself and others justifies liability. Further, those refusing to take Covid-19 vaccines are not just passive bystanders. They are in this pandemic like the rest of us, and one way or another, they are acting to either reduce it or prolong it. If they act to prolong, they should pay.
Just as someone who does not stop at a red light may have to cover medical costs, lost wages and earning capacity, and pain and suffering an accident victim may face, an unvaccinated individual who hospitalized someone else may be liable for hospital costs, potential lost wages, and declining earning capacity.
One potential concern is that it may be difficult to track a Covid-19 infection to its source. That can be a real issue, but it is one that comes up in car accidents, forest fires, and slip and falls too. We do not always know who causes the accident, and sometimes, that prevents compensation. Courts usually address this uncertainty by requiring the person suing for payment to convince the jury that it’s more than 50% likely that an unvaccinated individual caused the harm. That plaintiffs sometimes fail to meet that standard does not stop courts from moving forward when they can.
And no, requiring liability does not mean holding those who cannot vaccinate—medically, by age, or by lack of access—liable. Nor does it mean those who suffered vaccine failure are liable. Those who cannot, or who took the precaution and it did not work, are meaningfully different than those who willingly choose not to, just as the person who did not stop at a stop light is different than the one who tried to stop, but was pushed into the crossing when another car crashed into them from behind.

Choices have consequences. Personal responsibility matters. Want to reject expert opinion and the established facts about Covid and put yourself and others at risk? Then you should pay, if your choice harms others.
Yea, make me pay faggit. Gotta catch me first tho. PWN3D!
 

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A nice little report which even the Fox haters should watch. It is about how much of the MSM spent at least a decade getting paid by the Chinese Co.munist Party's propaganda outlets to pump pro-Chinese propaganda. Yes, those millions a year in payments was explicitly tied to favorable coverage by these supposed "news outlets" and none of them disclosed these conflicts of interest. The New York Times even took extraordinary measures in order to hide them.

The paid pro-Chinese propaganda even influenced science. This is a major reason why they all parrots CCP propaganda instead of doing any actual journalism. Many "news outlets" even ordered reporters not to investigate the origins of Covid 19 because it would result in the end of the CCP's cash payments.

 

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We should all be worried about the amount of influence the CCP has been able to buy in our media, our scientific establishment, and our government.
 

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A nice little report which even the Fox haters should watch. It is about how much of the MSM spent at least a decade getting paid by the Chinese Co.munist Party's propaganda outlets to pump pro-Chinese propaganda. Yes, those millions a year in payments was explicitly tied to favorable coverage by these supposed "news outlets" and none of them disclosed these conflicts of interest. The New York Times even took extraordinary measures in order to hide them.

The paid pro-Chinese propaganda even influenced science. This is a major reason why they all parrots CCP propaganda instead of doing any actual journalism. Many "news outlets" even ordered reporters not to investigate the origins of Covid 19 because it would result in the end of the CCP's cash payments.


Who cares about the drunken Trust Fund Brat, I want to know what Andy Ngo has to say about the 'Rona.
 

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We should all be worried about the amount of influence the CCP has been able to buy in our media, our scientific establishment, and our government.
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