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Usually it's a white kid shooting up a school.
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Whites are under represented in school shootings compared to their percentage of population. Also, when it comes to all mass shootings blacks are the majority of shooters.
You will notice a lot of academics lie about these stats too. They try to claim gang related mass shootings some how do not count as mass shootings. That is, of course, complete B.S. and those people are trying to push an agenda. They just don't like the results which show most mass shootings are by blacks so they exclude most mass shootings to get the results they want.
You will notice a lot of academics lie about these stats too. They try to claim gang related mass shootings some how do not count as mass shootings. That is, of course, complete B.S. and those people are trying to push an agenda. They just don't like the results which show most mass shootings are by blacks so they exclude most mass shootings to get the results they want.
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Citation required for your first claim.
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That's not about schools based on the title.
You are completely full of shit.
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White shooters - mass media calls them "mentally ill"
Every other ethnic group - they're "criminals"
Every other ethnic group - they're "criminals"
I didn't claim mass shootings only happen in America. I claimed only in America do they happen so often no one can keep track of them. I know for a fact there have been mass shootings in other countries, and that everyone here knows that. Stop twisting my words so that you can come up with a flimsy argument.
No other country has mass shootings hundreds of times a year unless they're in a damn war zone.
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This PDF is a partial data set from 1979 to 2016 and it probably isn't even complete. It seems to be mass shootings at schools and not all shootings at schools. Comparing that list to a list of all school shootings from the same time period should get us roughly in the ballpark. That would be a lot of work though. Especially normalizing the data as percentages of population.
The data I saw before and am now looking for said about 55% of school shootings were by whites but the white population even today is just below 70% and the data goes back to the 1970's when the white population was around 85%. So you'd have to figure out the average percentage of white population for each year (or at least decade) then compare the results to that average population percentage for the entire study period.
Anyway you cut it whites are going to be under represented in school shootings as a percentage of population.
The data I saw before and am now looking for said about 55% of school shootings were by whites but the white population even today is just below 70% and the data goes back to the 1970's when the white population was around 85%. So you'd have to figure out the average percentage of white population for each year (or at least decade) then compare the results to that average population percentage for the entire study period.
Anyway you cut it whites are going to be under represented in school shootings as a percentage of population.
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How? What did he say that was wrong?
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Most of the black and hispanic mass shooters are gang related. Yes, gang members are criminals. Do you really want to argue about that?
I wouldn't cite stats until you have actually found the source. You might end up looking like a fool.
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And I posted data showing several countries including European countries where rates of mass shootings were higher than in the US. Usually those aren't covered in US media though so you were unaware of them and thus were completely wrong in your conclusions.
I was not wrong in my conclusions. Like I said before, rates were higher in SOME countries because there were a few very big incident in countries with small populations. In most European countries, the rates are not higher. And no 1st world country has ongoing, almost daily mass shootings because no 1st world country has as many guns per capita as the US does.
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Who cares what race they are?
A gun's a gun.
And people die when they are fired off.
Only things that certain is these mass shooters/murderers are almost always male.
I guess they have those killer genes they inherited from an ancestor who murdered someone way back when. Aggressive genes likely get passed on to the offspring at some point.
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Poor people are often involved in crime that is investigated. Those gangs are distributing all the drugs that the white people use. You just don't get your hands dirty.
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This is an interesting graph which deals with all mass shootings by race (still trying to find stats on school shootings as a subset) and it expresses it by rates. As you can see whites are far down the list. I was surprised there were so many Native American and Asian mass shooters. The data comes from far left wing source Mother Jones so it does not include and gang related mass shootings which would massively spike rates for blacks and moderately spike hispanic rates.
Still, even this left wing site shows whites have low rates of mass shootings.
Still, even this left wing site shows whites have low rates of mass shootings.
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I did find this though I have not verified the source yet.
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Has there ever been a black school shooter in America?
Quite frequently, several of the school shootings, normally of a totally different character, some involving gangs, some in response to bullying, but usually with direct targets occur. Most illegal shootings in some places like Chicago are done by African-American males, mid teens to early twenties, normally shooting other African-American males, mid teens to early twenties. The shootings can take place anywhere they frequent, including parks, schools, block parties, barbeques in back yards, alleys and very frequently right out in the streets.
During the peak of the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, it was frequently pointed out that an African-American, 18 to 25, was demographically SAFER in as a soldier deployed in those countries as opposed to being in certain neighborhoods in Detroit, Chicago, DC, and Houston.
This is a horrific tragedy that has been going on for several decades, rising most heavily in the 1990’s, but continuing and it’s not being addressed because it’s not politically correct.
Without these sorts of homicides, the US would have a very, very low rate of gun violence.*
Related, there have been many school shooters of different ethnic groups, Native Americans, Hispanics, Whites and Asians. The worse school shooting thus far, was committed by a Korean American at Virginia Tech. Interestingly, for many years, the highest number of people killed by a deranged active shooter was in a very gun restricted country, Korean, where a Coastal Defense guy snapped and killed people with both firearms and bayonets. However, there was some argument made that a mad man in Africa killed many more with an AK in a solo murder spree.
*People put suicide into gun violence stats to increase the numbers dramatically, but suicides are generally not a risk to non participants in the general public.
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Yes, several. Here is a compilation of school shooters who were not “white males” (obviously prepared to counter the claim that all school shootings are perpetuated by white males).
It is useful to note the ethnic demographics of the United States — Whites comprise about 75% of the population, Black or African American about 13%, Asian (East and Indian) about 3% and the rest are others or biracial. This is important because it allows one to make predictions — if every group commits an act at the same rate, then you can predict how many will occur by their contribution to the overall population (i.e. “70% of the population is white, therefore 70% of (fill in the blank) should be committed by whites.”). This is called “prevalence.”
The list above shows a startling number of Asians given their prevalence in the US and also puts to bed the idea that only white males are school shooters — it does show that violent acts are typically committed by males of all stripes.
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Has there ever been a black school shooter in America?
Quite frequently, several of the school shootings, normally of a totally different character, some involving gangs, some in response to bullying, but usually with direct targets occur. Most illegal shootings in some places like Chicago are done by African-American males, mid teens to early twenties, normally shooting other African-American males, mid teens to early twenties. The shootings can take place anywhere they frequent, including parks, schools, block parties, barbeques in back yards, alleys and very frequently right out in the streets.
During the peak of the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, it was frequently pointed out that an African-American, 18 to 25, was demographically SAFER in as a soldier deployed in those countries as opposed to being in certain neighborhoods in Detroit, Chicago, DC, and Houston.
This is a horrific tragedy that has been going on for several decades, rising most heavily in the 1990’s, but continuing and it’s not being addressed because it’s not politically correct.
Without these sorts of homicides, the US would have a very, very low rate of gun violence.*
Related, there have been many school shooters of different ethnic groups, Native Americans, Hispanics, Whites and Asians. The worse school shooting thus far, was committed by a Korean American at Virginia Tech. Interestingly, for many years, the highest number of people killed by a deranged active shooter was in a very gun restricted country, Korean, where a Coastal Defense guy snapped and killed people with both firearms and bayonets. However, there was some argument made that a mad man in Africa killed many more with an AK in a solo murder spree.
*People put suicide into gun violence stats to increase the numbers dramatically, but suicides are generally not a risk to non participants in the general public.
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Yes, several. Here is a compilation of school shooters who were not “white males” (obviously prepared to counter the claim that all school shootings are perpetuated by white males).
It is useful to note the ethnic demographics of the United States — Whites comprise about 75% of the population, Black or African American about 13%, Asian (East and Indian) about 3% and the rest are others or biracial. This is important because it allows one to make predictions — if every group commits an act at the same rate, then you can predict how many will occur by their contribution to the overall population (i.e. “70% of the population is white, therefore 70% of (fill in the blank) should be committed by whites.”). This is called “prevalence.”
The list above shows a startling number of Asians given their prevalence in the US and also puts to bed the idea that only white males are school shooters — it does show that violent acts are typically committed by males of all stripes.
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So you have gone from lying and claiming it was all evil white men to making up excuses for why it is not evil white men?
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Mass shootings are mass shootings. Also gangs are well know for shooting tons of innocent people. So your argument is hog wash.
It is just an outright lie which these leftists play. They claim to be studying and collecting data on "mass shootings" only the exclude data from the vast majority of mass shootings simply because they didn't like the results they got.
It is just an outright lie which these leftists play. They claim to be studying and collecting data on "mass shootings" only the exclude data from the vast majority of mass shootings simply because they didn't like the results they got.
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DAMN! Oerdin sure did pimp slap the liberal hoes in this thread!!!!!
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No, they're not. You can keep yourself out of bad neighborhoods with drug violence. You don't know when you'll be attacked at a public venue. Not in America you don't.
Bullshit. I worried every day about sending my kids to school where some nutjob fellow student could murder them. I never worried about them being victims of gang violence. That would have been really, really random. My son actually knew someone who was murdered by a mass shooter -- not a gang member -- at a school.
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WTF is wrong with you? you are breaking out in a sweat trying to deflect from the obvious gun violence issue, and somehow twist this into some bizzaro white nationalism issue all brown people are bad issue.
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I never said it was all white men, lying motherfucker.
