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@Jeannie Story time!!!

I was so obsessed with this band in middle/high school. Now my 16 year old is all about them. I told her about when I was 19 and sorta "met" Peter Steele(but not really lol). I had a friend who was my concert buddy and we used to go see everyone. We saw Gwar several times. Misfits with Danzig(saw Danzig solo a few times)....and we always got back stage. Able to do so without fucking anyone BTW. I have all kinds of cool pictures with Oderous from Gwar. We met Danzig once....no picture though. We took a few but it was so dark, they didnt develope well. I kept them anyway....but you cant see him clearly at all. We briefly met Dani Filth at Harpos(a really gritty gross small venue in Detroit that has an old massive disco dance floor). Dani Filth is a fucking hobbit. No pics of him but we were not expecting to meet anyone from Cradle of Filth.

So we were at a St. Andrew's Hall in Detroit that had some local bands playing as well as Type O. We knew a few guys who were in one of the local bands, so we were back in a room drinking and hanging out. And in walks Peter Steele. And holy shit.

First off.....the man in person was massive. Like a fucking god. A dark, vampire god. His presence was over whelming. But he was really approachable, down to earth and sarcastic and funny. I didnt talk to him. I stood there and STARED.....like a retarded creeper....as he talked to other people. And I was perfectly happy with that :LOL3: I seriously could have just looked at him all night lol.

This is a guy whose Playgirl centerfold I had taped to my head board all through high school. So I literally spent my whole puberty sleeping under his dick. I'm glad he didnt say anything to me because I very well could have said "I have a picture of your dick taped to my bed" lol.

Anyway he did look at me twice and and gave me a very warm grin both times...so i wasnt too creepy for him at least (I'm sure he was used to that). I did ask myself if becoming a Peter groupie for the night was worth the internal hemorrhaging because I'm tiny....I'm like 5 feet tall. Maybe 5 feet and inch....and I was 125 pounds (in shape) and this man was an actual BEAST.

Now I DID meet and have a pleasant and short convo with Kenny Hickey about how they will always prefer small venue shows because they are more fun and they enjoyed getting to meet fans....and I had his autograph but it got lost over the years along with my collection of concert ticket stubs.

My daughter cannot get over that story (didnt tell her that part about how I weighed the pros and cons of trying to bang Peter Steele). How I just stood there staring. My MOTHER told her all about the playgirl centerfold i had of him on my head board lol. I had that there for like.....3 years, until my grandma noticed it and made PANTS for him and had them taped on there for me to find when I got home from school lol.

Oh and when she found out he posed nude she squealed, grabbed her phone and googled it right in front of us. And we didnt shame or punish her as SOME here would think we should have done. We didnt make an issue out of it all. I just laughed and told her if she tapes it to her wall, I'm gonna put pants on him.

Shes really bummed that he is dead and she will never get the chance to go see them. I love that my daughters love the music I grew up on and they arent into this modern garbage like WAP. The problem is my daughter has hijacked my TON hoody that I've had for like....20 years lol. I guess its hers now.

Anywho here is another



What bands did you grow up on and still love?


I miss the 90s...


Me too!

My Type O Negative hoody my daughter stole is like a relic to them lol. You can buy the merch still but this one was from an actual show and shes got the cool metal mom lol
 
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@Jeannie Story time!!!

I was so obsessed with this band in middle/high school. Now my 16 year old is all about them. I told her about when I was 19 and sorta "met" Peter Steele(but not really lol). I had a friend who was my concert buddy and we used to go see everyone. We saw Gwar several times. Misfits with Danzig(saw Danzig solo a few times)....and we always got back stage. Able to do so without fucking anyone BTW. I have all kinds of cool pictures with Oderous from Gwar. We met Danzig once....no picture though. We took a few but it was so dark, they didnt develope well. I kept them anyway....but you cant see him clearly at all. We briefly met Dani Filth at Harpos(a really gritty gross small venue in Detroit that has an old massive disco dance floor). Dani Filth is a fucking hobbit. No pics of him but we were not expecting to meet anyone from Cradle of Filth.

So we were at a St. Andrew's Hall in Detroit that had some local bands playing as well as Type O. We knew a few guys who were in one of the local bands, so we were back in a room drinking and hanging out. And in walks Peter Steele. And holy shit.

First off.....the man in person was massive. Like a fucking god. A dark, vampire god. His presence was over whelming. But he was really approachable, down to earth and sarcastic and funny. I didnt talk to him. I stood there and STARED.....like a retarded creeper....as he talked to other people. And I was perfectly happy with that :LOL3: I seriously could have just looked at him all night lol.

This is a guy whose Playgirl centerfold I had taped to my head board all through high school. So I literally spent my whole puberty sleeping under his dick. I'm glad he didnt say anything to me because I very well could have said "I have a picture of your dick taped to my bed" lol.

Anyway he did look at me twice and and gave me a very warm grin both times...so i wasnt too creepy for him at least (I'm sure he was used to that). I did ask myself if becoming a Peter groupie for the night was worth the internal hemorrhaging because I'm tiny....I'm like 5 feet tall. Maybe 5 feet and inch....and I was 125 pounds (in shape) and this man was an actual BEAST.

Now I DID meet and have a pleasant and short convo with Kenny Hickey about how they will always prefer small venue shows because they are more fun and they enjoyed getting to meet fans....and I had his autograph but it got lost over the years along with my collection of concert ticket stubs.

My daughter cannot get over that story (didnt tell her that part about how I weighed the pros and cons of trying to bang Peter Steele). How I just stood there staring. My MOTHER told her all about the playgirl centerfold i had of him on my head board lol. I had that there for like.....3 years, until my grandma noticed it and made PANTS for him and had them taped on there for me to find when I got home from school lol.

Oh and when she found out he posed nude she squealed, grabbed her phone and googled it right in front of us. And we didnt shame or punish her as SOME here would think we should have done. We didnt make an issue out of it all. I just laughed and told her if she tapes it to her wall, I'm gonna put pants on him.

Shes really bummed that he is dead and she will never get the chance to go see them. I love that my daughters love the music I grew up on and they arent into this modern garbage like WAP. The problem is my daughter has hijacked my TON hoody that I've had for like....20 years lol. I guess its hers now.

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What bands did you grow up on and still love?


I miss the 90s...


Me too!

My Type O Negative hoody my daughter stole is like a relic to them lol. You can buy the merch still but this one was from an actual show and shes got the cool metal mom lol

I have the only 4yo who knows all the words to Holy Diver...lol
 

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Dove I don't know the backstory and I didn't read all the long posts at the start of this thread but it seems like someone got under your skin. That's called "trolling". Responding to it and making tribute threads is a fail. What exactly are you looking to accomplish here? Trying to convince a bunch of mostly internet strangers that you're right and the other person is wrong?

Does anyone really care?

That much being said, having known both you and the person this thread is in response to, I can affirm that at least as far as I'm concerned, that other member has absolutely no credibility and is not taken seriously by anyone and I doubt she expects to, given the posting history of this member that borders on the bizarre.

So again, why bother defending yourself against something that no one would take seriously in the first place?
Oi fuckhead! Yes yooooo! Who the fuck asked your shitty-arsed opinion hey? Stay the fuck out of @Dove ’s business. I, more than sick and tired of pasty, feemble-arsed nerds trying to have one-up on a decent mother trying to get on and live her life. Last warning!

Hey everyone is gonna have an opinion, yanno? I already know what it "seems" like and I'm fine with that.
I’m on your side...but the constant barrage against you is getting tired. It’s hard to tell friend from foe sometimes.
 

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I like men with intellect.

The fact that you regard Borescape to have "intellect" says it all about how utterly fucking clueless you are.

The fact that you don't have the mental chops to get what a Blandy might be talking about is surely no reflection on those who do.

You think the Earth is flat and that the Joooos have a secret club set up to take over the world.

You're in no position to lecture anybody on cluelessness.
 

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I like men with intellect.

The fact that you regard Borescape to have "intellect" says it all about how utterly fucking clueless you are.

The fact that you don't have the mental chops to get what a Blandy might be talking about is surely no reflection on those who do.

You think the Earth is flat and that the Joooos have a secret club set up to take over the world.

You're in no position to lecture anybody on cluelessness.
The fact that you side with Blanscape, justifies you turning your bottom inside out like a pink sock...almost!
 

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The fact that you side with Blanscape, justifies you turning your bottom inside out like a pink sock...almost!

The fact that you operate in an "us vs. them" matrix pegs you as a trog.

We all have our cross to bear, I guess.
 

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Dove I don't know the backstory and I didn't read all the long posts at the start of this thread but it seems like someone got under your skin. That's called "trolling". Responding to it and making tribute threads is a fail. What exactly are you looking to accomplish here? Trying to convince a bunch of mostly internet strangers that you're right and the other person is wrong?

Does anyone really care?

That much being said, having known both you and the person this thread is in response to, I can affirm that at least as far as I'm concerned, that other member has absolutely no credibility and is not taken seriously by anyone and I doubt she expects to, given the posting history of this member that borders on the bizarre.

So again, why bother defending yourself against something that no one would take seriously in the first place?
Oi fuckhead! Yes yooooo! Who the fuck asked your shitty-arsed opinion hey? Stay the fuck out of @Dove ’s business. I, more than sick and tired of pasty, feemble-arsed nerds trying to have one-up on a decent mother trying to get on and live her life. Last warning!

Hey everyone is gonna have an opinion, yanno? I already know what it "seems" like and I'm fine with that.
I’m on your side...but the constant barrage against you is getting tired. It’s hard to tell friend from foe sometimes.

****Long post alert*****armchair psychoanalysis***

I get it lol. Wizer isnt a foe....I've "known" him for a long time. I even met him back when Big and I were a couple. He did my eye exam and then we (me, Big and Wizer) went out for dinner lol.

He doesnt know what's going on here at all. It's just ridiculous drama.

The constant barrage is insane isnt it? At this point the odds of these people making ME feel even the slightest bit bad is way in the negative. They are way too mentally/emotionally underdeveloped.

Especailly Lily and Murd who are so over the top petty that instead of just talking to me like the intelligent adults they fancy themselves, they chose to try to what.... embarrass me off the boards? And tried so hard that they chose a disturbing lie that I'm a child sex abuse enabler. And RAN with it. And now they are trying to make ME responsible for preserving this lie by not exposing how deeply disturbed and hateful they are. There are reasons for this that I'll talk about later in this post.

All these vile hysterics because they cant discuss politics without hate and anger when people dont just accept thier views as fact.

If you were THAT unable to argue your stance or back your opinions that you constantly feel the need to attack your opponent personally but cry foul when they attack back, and you were always finding yourself not just unable to back your claims and opinions but you experienced toxic anger like that.... wouldnt that make you really question yourself?

I would definately question myself over that. Anything that disturbs my spiritual equilibrium causes me to step back and reflect. Lashing out at people and seeing them as enemies and dehumanizing those outside your "beliefs" because they asked questions you cant answer or poked too many holes in your narrative is something cult members do. If you arent with them, you are of evil. If your beliefs inspire you to hate people who dont share them, or cause you to think of others as below you, well your beliefs are shit.

It's just sad, frustrating and really squashes my hope for the country. We dont have real leadership or a government for the people. We have a fake two party power struggle that the corporate political establishment fuels and benefits from. Instead of working to make the country stronger and better for regular people, turn them on eachother and destroy it as they fight.

The ridiculous preoccupation with some dumb and very short fling I had 3 years ago that some people feel entitled to all the gritty details of because Poofer felt it nessesary to involve the forum (one of the reasons I wanted to end it was because of the lies and the constant discussing it in podcasts and the board. I asked several times for that to stop and it was just off putting) is really demented and the ones doing it have absolutely no awareness of how creepy and stupid they actually look.

How boring and miserable does your life have to be to get that fixated and emotionally involved in that? They seriously have stronger feelings about it than I ever did. It's like they want me to give them closure on it and they feel entitled enough that thier opinions and feelings about what they read about it should matter. The self importance is incredible.

They are full of this turmoil and anger and unable to get over it and I'm supposed to feel bad? Lol. And it's like the more I dont, the more intense they get about it. Like it pisses them off and gets them more worked up and they feed off eachother with it. It's also a form of misogyny, always holding women to much higher standards and trying to tear them down if they dont meet those expectations.

They are nuts, truly nuts. No understanding of boundaries and no self awareness.

I like how Flynn has wasted years of bandwidth on this topic, bleeding his offended feels all over the forums, demanding answers and spamming his unsolicited opinions on it....on a situation that doesnt involve him that he is owed no answers or info on, making all these sanctimonious and useless judgements that he believes matter and should matter...and he calls ME narcissistic. That just shows you the level of self importance, narcissism and lack of self awareness at play here. This dumb ass really believes I should have to defend myself over it and blubber for his approval. And he is an actual no one in it. Same with Blandscape. In thier minds, not only are they owed an explaination....but thier judgements should be taken to heart and held up as gospel. And they dont see that as narcissistic. They see my lack of explaination and my lack of care for thier opinion as narcissistic. Because to them, I OWE them some level of honesty and transparency. So they are stuck on this and having all these negative feelings that they are inflicting on themselves....in my direction....and are trying to make me responsible for them. Even though I've been steady clear I didnt want it on the forums in the first place, they are obsessive about it. They just cannot get a fucking clue that no one is going to discuss it, answer any questions, care about these opinions....and drop it and move on. They will just repeat this shit over and over.

Really if all these parties (Poofer, his brother, his cyber flying monkeys who cant cope) were all hit by a bus it wouldnt bother me even a bit. But they cant accept they just are not important and no one cares about this stupid and over done topic. Its like....okay, you think I'm a liar, a skank, a scammer and you want to believe Poofers side of the matter. WHY do we have to validate this? Because you dont want to see my lying scamming ass post? Put me on ignore and take responsibility for your own self. No one is obligated to cater to thier voluntary bad feelings.

It's just obvious there is a really fucking heavy narcissistic injury here, but that's not my problem in the slightest. He wanted it on forums, he put it there, he made his choices and if that made him feel stupid or foolish, well that's on him. Just like this OP. Murd brought this convo to the forums willingly and was enjoying that when she was accusing me of being a fucking child sex abuse enabler, but now the convo SHE couldnt stop posting about was posted, she is somehow a victim. These people are legit pissed that thier scheming bullshit THEY insisted on posting backfired on them because thier target didnt act the way they wanted.

Me? I dont give a single shit. No one does. They have this whole intense battle raging in thier minds where I'm this super villain they need to take down and its really all dramatic and pearl clutching for them.

They are just gonna go off on it indefinitely, I guess. And he will stay off the boards until he thinks there is some drama with me and then pop in to take bitter shots. He can't just come and post about other shit. He is so self absorbed and thinks the boards revolve around him and that everyone just is consumed with stuff involving him. He stays off because he thinks he looks bad and that it really matters how he is seen. And in order to be seen the way he wants to be seen, I have to be "defeated". I have to be shown to be some crazed loser. Or he cant cope with just posting. He really believes he matters to everyone that much that they are invested into that drama and it has to be resolved a certain way.

That's the thing with disordered personalities like this. They suffer a narcissistic injury if they feel you have made them look stupid or caused any cracks in thier masks and disrupted the way they want and imagine they are seen by others. So if you do that....intentionally or not.. they need to "destroy" you in order to fix thier own self image. They are completely driven by thier ego.

Narc psychology is exhausting lol. Not nearly exhausting as thier narcissistic grudges. Its a constant mission to control everything. The narrative. Other people. Even when other people are so sick of the topic and dont care much about the narrative. They are really offended I didnt leave(because someone has to if a conflict happens, you know? They cant just set it aside and talk about other shit) so now it's just straight bitterness. It shouldnt still suprise me exactly how low and unhinged some people are willing to get to "win" some idiotic drama.

TLDR; Narcs are gonna narc.
 

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Dovey, allow me to provide a psychoanalytic counterpoint to your admittedly well-written self-disclosure.

Could it be, just possibly, that what seems to infuriate Blandy and Flynn is your tendency to go all self-righteously hog wild on people's asses when, in fact, you're just as mucked up (if not more so) as the rest of us mere mortals?

Your obvious lack of self-awareness probably just rubs them the wrong way, is my (educated) guess. Of course, I could be wrong about this.

As to the following screed:

I would definately question myself over that. Anything that disturbs my spiritual equilibrium causes me to step back and reflect. Lashing out at people and seeing them as enemies and dehumanizing those outside your "beliefs" because they asked questions you cant answer or poked too many holes in your narrative is something cult members do. If you arent with them, you are of evil. If your beliefs inspire you to hate people who dont share them, or cause you to think of others as below you, well your beliefs are shit.

It's just sad, frustrating and really squashes my hope for the country. We dont have real leadership or a government for the people. We have a fake two party power struggle that the corporate political establishment fuels and benefits from. Instead of working to make the country stronger and better for regular people, turn them on eachother and destroy it as they fight.

Well, you can thank Trump.

But you probably won't.
 
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Dovey, allow me to provide a psychoanalytic counterpoint to your admittedly well-written self-disclosure.

Could it be, just possibly, that what seems to infuriate Blandy and Flynn is your tendency to go all self-righteously hog wild on people's asses when

Which wouldnt be an issue in the slightest if they were not coming at me like that nonstop. You know?

They could let it all go at anytime. JS.

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Dovey, allow me to provide a psychoanalytic counterpoint to your admittedly well-written self-disclosure.

Could it be, just possibly, that what seems to infuriate Blandy and Flynn is your tendency to go all self-righteously hog wild on people's asses when

Which wouldnt be an issue in the slightest if they were not coming at me like that nonstop. You know?

They could let it all go at anytime. JS.

Non-stop?

Aren't you the one who just posted this?

"Non-stop" seems to suit you on certain days, doesn't it?
 
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Dovey, allow me to provide a psychoanalytic counterpoint to your admittedly well-written self-disclosure.

Could it be, just possibly, that what seems to infuriate Blandy and Flynn is your tendency to go all self-righteously hog wild on people's asses when

Which wouldnt be an issue in the slightest if they were not coming at me like that nonstop. You know?

They could let it all go at anytime. JS.

Non-stop?

Aren't you the one who just posted this?

"Non-stop" seems to suit you on certain days, doesn't it?

Do you only read my posts?

Blurt, are you aware that you asking me to silently tolerate constant blathering attacks on me(of which several of other posters have openly expressed being sick of) because you know I'm more in tune with the reality of this song and dance and thusly my observed judgements hit harder and you percieve that as unfair?

Unfair play in a battle that only these people are raging in?

Maybe guide them in topic changes when they start relapsing?

I'm not saying anything that isnt already obvious. Why must we pretend?
 
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Why do you think "it's really interesting," Dovey?

Do you think it shouldnt be interesting?

No, I'm asking you. Why do you think "experiencing these people" would in any way change who they are (or who you think they are)?

Seems to me that says more about your obssessions than it does about theirs. No?

And yet, I'm not the one so tedious with the topic that people are telling me "omfg cant you let this repetitive shit go" am I?

I rarely address this dumb shit, which is all right out there. It's not a mystery. People are reading this, you know. In fact my entire point was about this narcissistic need they have to continue repeating this idiocy.

Are you gas lighting on purpose?
 

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Blurt, are you aware that you asking me to silently tolerate constant blathering attacks on me...

And therein lies the crux of the matter.

I'm asking no such thing, Dovey. I've said it over and over again: you are thrashing about like a devil in a baptismal font while, in reality, you're an angel in Hades. This is a troll board, lass. "Constant blathering attacks" are the coin of the realm. Kevin has the right of it: this whole enterprise is a game. You either play, and giggle as you go, or you take your ball and go home.

Seriously, Dove, stop taking yourself (and others) so seriously.

Learn to laugh at yourself as much as you enjoy laughing at others.

And all will be well with the world.
 
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Blurt, are you aware that you asking me to silently tolerate constant blathering attacks on me...

And therein lies the crux of the matter.

I'm asking no such thing, Dovey. I've said it over and over again: you are thrashing about like a devil in a baptismal font while, in reality, you're an angel in Hades. This is a troll board, lass. "Constant blathering attacks" are the coin of the realm. Kevin has the right of it: this whole enterprise is a game. You either play, and giggle as you go, or you take your ball and go home.

Seriously, Dove, stop taking yourself (and others) so seriously.

Learn to laugh at yourself as much as you enjoy laughing at others.

And all will be well with the world.

Well then, dont read it.

It's that easy. The world certainly isnt impacted by this either way. That's kind the issue here is how big an important this is to some people....its not nessesary and at some point there are underlying reasons that need to be looked at why some think this IS some big important thing.

That's all. I'm not gonna agree with your assessment because its heavily bias, and that should be okay with you.
 
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Blurt, the troll train passed on this a few years ago. People are not dumb.

But if you really compelled to try to glue the masks here back together because you have a personal preference.... I think my post may have hit more than my intended targets.

Js.

If you want to try to sell this, have a talk with your crew.
 

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Blurt, the troll train passed on this a few years ago. People are not dumb.

But if you really compelled to try to glue the masks here back together because you have a personal preference.... I think my post may have hit more than my intended targets.

Js.

If you want to try to sell this, have a talk with your crew.

You might be right. I can only adopt the noob POV as I have no history with any of you old-timey brain-bashers. I'm just saying what things look like to me.

For the same reasons stated above, I have no crew. Nor, unlike you, do I need one.
 

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I think it's really interesting that once you've really experienced these types of people and you learn about them, how incredibly transparent it becomes.
Did I not tell you from DAY ONE you cannot debate with them like normal human beings because they are not normal human beings ?

Why you continue your attempts at reason with them these PeeWee Vermin minded maggots is beyond me.
 
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Blurt, the troll train passed on this a few years ago. People are not dumb.

But if you really compelled to try to glue the masks here back together because you have a personal preference.... I think my post may have hit more than my intended targets.

Js.

If you want to try to sell this, have a talk with your crew.

You might be right. I can only adopt the noob POV as I have no history with any of you old-timey brain-bashers. I'm just saying what things look like to me.

For the same reasons stated above, I have no crew. Nor, unlike you, do I need one.

Well, sure. But you sharing how it looks to you opens the door for others to say how that looks to them.

And this definately looks like you have a personal bias. It definately doesnt look objective or that you have no "crew" here when you are silent when certain people continue to take nastier and more personal digs at me but when I finally respond to it and say it how I see it, suddenly IM self righteous and I'm this and that and you need to explain how this board is for trolling.

So what standard here are you using to decide whose trolling is acceptable and whose is too serious?

I think the consensus here is that a 3 year tantrum and then involving family members into personal grudges doesnt really qualify as trolling and the readers find this pretty tedious and lame as several have said.

So if it's not a personal bias issue, one has to wonder why you are taking issue with me simply putting into text exactly what myself and most of the readers already think of it?

Are we supposed to have it shoved in our eyeballs in nearly every thread and NOT give our opinions?

Would you like to me to tear my robes and put ash on my forehead and condescend myself so I dont come across as self righteous as I'm being accused of allowing sex abuse of my daughter and called everything from stupid, to ugly, to a welfare skank to junkie and having these things obsessively picked apart in bad faith for 3 years with no end in sight even as readers openly express how boring and fucking toxic it is?

Oh yeah, so sorry that I'm appearing "self righteous" here Blurt. Would you prefer I agree with thier over done assessments, cry about how they just TOO clever for my small simple mind and flog myself with grief?

Let me know what level of confidence I'm permitted to demonstrate before I cross over into self righteous smugness. I wouldnt want to make you guys feel I've got you beat on that.

Dont get me wrong, im not bothered. I'm just observant and I'm not adopting any of this as mine.. it's just not about me at all. So whatever roll I'm supposed to play here, maybe fill me in on it. I find it really strange that people who cant stop trying hard to tear ME down, who truly see me as some stupid junkie whore, could be so easily offended by my two cents on anything.

I think a good handful of readers also find that strange.

So now what then? Do you guys really need me to validate and accept all these ill opinions you all feel compelled to share endlessly as "trolling" for it to be the troll it apparently is? Is my honest observations on it ruining this troll? How am I supposed to respond to help this troll progress then?

Shouldnt that be the work of trolls to guide my behavior appropriately without needing to essentially say "Oh wait time out!! Now Dovey this is all a troll. You really need to adjust your responses as such and not ruin our trolling"? Like it's too real now that I'm returning endless judgement with some of my own judgement? It really looks like the pissy crew here wants to be able to say anything they want and carry on to the point where its eye roll inducing but they also need me properly tied down and following all these "rules" on what I can post in response.

What gives? I mean everyone has been trying to change the topic to no avail while these characters howl and whine about what a villain I am.. .but no one can address it? I was trying to discuss music. Eh well. Maybe it's time to entertain the reality that no one really cares much, no one is coming to my "rescue" and people are genuinely not interested in it? Because it's really not the consuming, stunning topic team anti Dove seems to see it as. It's pretty much what I said.
 
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