Why Do Conservative States Like Oklahomo Hate and Abuse Women?

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Her Boyfriend Killed Her Baby While She Was at Work. Oklahoma Might Lock Her Up for Life.
Hundreds of women in the state have faced similar charges.

Everyone who investigated the case agreed that Hogue did not kill her son or participate in the abuse. She hadn’t even been home at the time of the violence. But in the ultimate act of victim-blaming against a grieving mother, the state of Oklahoma decided to punish her for her son’s death: In November, Hogue was convicted of first-degree murder, even though she never laid a hand on the boy. At a sentencing hearing on Friday, a judge will decide whether to send her to prison for life, as the jury recommended.

How is that possible? Hogue was convicted under Oklahoma’s “failure to protect” law, which requires parents to shield their kid from physical harm if they’re aware, or should have been aware, that another adult is abusing the child. The law was passed about two decades ago with the goal of preventing child abuse, as lawmakers around the country enacted tough-on-crime bills that fueled mass incarceration. Almost all states have similar laws or legal theories that criminalize caregivers who “enable” or “permit” a child’s injuries, even when they tried to stop the violence.

But attorneys who study these cases say there’s no evidence that these types of laws actually keep kids safe. Instead, they often lead to the incarceration of moms who never committed any violence and were unable—often for reasons outside their control—to get help for their children. Some of these women were themselves victims of domestic violence. Others, like Hogue, say they didn’t know the abuse was happening, according to Karla Fischer, an attorney and expert witness in Illinois who has assisted the legal defense for women in dozens of failure-to-protect cases around the country. “All of them did not know their child was as badly hurt as the child was hurt,” she says of her former clients. But “by and large, the reaction is, ‘Who cares? A child is dead. Let’s put her in prison for the rest of her life.'”
 
A mother should protect her child.

She knew it was happening.

Decide to have a baby with a guy that looks like this and you just might be a fuckin' scumbag.

Fuck her.

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Her Boyfriend Killed Her Baby While She Was at Work. Oklahoma Might Lock Her Up for Life.
Hundreds of women in the state have faced similar charges.

Everyone who investigated the case agreed that Hogue did not kill her son or participate in the abuse. She hadn’t even been home at the time of the violence. But in the ultimate act of victim-blaming against a grieving mother, the state of Oklahoma decided to punish her for her son’s death: In November, Hogue was convicted of first-degree murder, even though she never laid a hand on the boy. At a sentencing hearing on Friday, a judge will decide whether to send her to prison for life, as the jury recommended.

How is that possible? Hogue was convicted under Oklahoma’s “failure to protect” law, which requires parents to shield their kid from physical harm if they’re aware, or should have been aware, that another adult is abusing the child. The law was passed about two decades ago with the goal of preventing child abuse, as lawmakers around the country enacted tough-on-crime bills that fueled mass incarceration. Almost all states have similar laws or legal theories that criminalize caregivers who “enable” or “permit” a child’s injuries, even when they tried to stop the violence.

But attorneys who study these cases say there’s no evidence that these types of laws actually keep kids safe. Instead, they often lead to the incarceration of moms who never committed any violence and were unable—often for reasons outside their control—to get help for their children. Some of these women were themselves victims of domestic violence. Others, like Hogue, say they didn’t know the abuse was happening, according to Karla Fischer, an attorney and expert witness in Illinois who has assisted the legal defense for women in dozens of failure-to-protect cases around the country. “All of them did not know their child was as badly hurt as the child was hurt,” she says of her former clients. But “by and large, the reaction is, ‘Who cares? A child is dead. Let’s put her in prison for the rest of her life.'”
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Her Boyfriend Killed Her Baby While She Was at Work. Oklahoma Might Lock Her Up for Life.
Hundreds of women in the state have faced similar charges.

Everyone who investigated the case agreed that Hogue did not kill her son or participate in the abuse. She hadn’t even been home at the time of the violence. But in the ultimate act of victim-blaming against a grieving mother, the state of Oklahoma decided to punish her for her son’s death: In November, Hogue was convicted of first-degree murder, even though she never laid a hand on the boy. At a sentencing hearing on Friday, a judge will decide whether to send her to prison for life, as the jury recommended.

How is that possible? Hogue was convicted under Oklahoma’s “failure to protect” law, which requires parents to shield their kid from physical harm if they’re aware, or should have been aware, that another adult is abusing the child. The law was passed about two decades ago with the goal of preventing child abuse, as lawmakers around the country enacted tough-on-crime bills that fueled mass incarceration. Almost all states have similar laws or legal theories that criminalize caregivers who “enable” or “permit” a child’s injuries, even when they tried to stop the violence.

But attorneys who study these cases say there’s no evidence that these types of laws actually keep kids safe. Instead, they often lead to the incarceration of moms who never committed any violence and were unable—often for reasons outside their control—to get help for their children. Some of these women were themselves victims of domestic violence. Others, like Hogue, say they didn’t know the abuse was happening, according to Karla Fischer, an attorney and expert witness in Illinois who has assisted the legal defense for women in dozens of failure-to-protect cases around the country. “All of them did not know their child was as badly hurt as the child was hurt,” she says of her former clients. But “by and large, the reaction is, ‘Who cares? A child is dead. Let’s put her in prison for the rest of her life.'”

It's not supposed to keep kids safe. If a mother has decided that an abusive MAN is more important than her CHILD....a law isnt gonna magically make her protect her kid.

Did laws against abuse and murder stop this deranged scum bag from murdering this child? No.

The law is accountability. It is a deterant for most, true. But for deranged people? No. Its accountability. They did it, they have to pay for it.

And GTFO with this bleeding heart bullshit about "hating women" who allow abusive men to abuse and murder their child. It was HER fucking job and obligation to protect that child. If you believe this woman just "didnt know" her child was suffering and in danger I have a bridge to sell you. And let's pretend thats true. She STILL fucking responsible.

When you bring someone into your HOME around your vulnerable children you are absolutely responsible for that.

So another one of moms boyfriends murders the child again. We see this horrific shit all the gotdamn time. Good for this state holding both adults responsible.

I'm definately NOT about to feel sympathy for a mother who was so dick blind she sacrificed her child to a monster. I feel for the ONLY victim here, the child. And possibly the father(is the murderer the father? If so he should rot)

How fucking gross of you to try to spin this as a bad thing. Of course take a trip to any blue state and things like abuse and rape are rewarded. So you guys already view human beings as trash. It's just so fitting a leftwing rag would bemoan accountability for abuse and murder.

Maybe "mother jones" should instead bemoan that in democrat inner cities it can take 6 years to charges pressed for rape. Or that now men can SELF identify as women and be placed in womens prison, actual cases of sexual violence against women are being enabled and ignored.

Nope....let's instead whine that people go to prison when they allow abuse and murder of their own child because they claim they just didnt notice it! Yeah right! I know everything gotdamn thing that occurs under my roof. You do NOT just "not know" your child is being abused and in danger.

We should have failure to protect laws everywhere.

Why do dems/progs hate children?
 
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"All of them did not know their child was as badly hurt as the child was hurt,” she says of her former clients. But “by and large, the reaction is, ‘Who cares? A child is dead. Let’s put her in prison for the rest of her life.'”"

Yeah that's called severe negligence. You know children communicate shit like this?

Your ONE job as a mother is to protect your child. And you present this crap that we should FEEL BAD and want these "grieving mothers" off the hook?

I suppose you think there were no signs at all. The children were totally comfortable around their murderous abuser and never complained of pain or injury and everything just looked beautiful but as soon as mom was gone that changed. And the children just rode that.

It's okay for the ONE person who the children depend on for safety to drop the ball so hard they suffer abuse until they are dead and the MOM is the victim.

Right. Sick. They STILL belong in prison.

You want to talk about hate and abuse of women? Look no further than the Equality Act that allows men to SELF identify as women and forces women to share prison cells with male rapists and murderers. Look how EASY it is to be a rapist abuser under democrat policies. How many black women on average die a day due to male violence? Like 4 a day? Yeah look at THAT instead of weeping crocodile tears over women complicite in child abuse.

What happens to women in democrat states who beg for help and protection against their abuser? Right. The only thing they have is domestic violence shelters that are now open to men who say magic words as well.
 
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"Derpa derp look at how I can get people to post on discussion boards just by posting a thread!! Deeerrr. I must be a talented pershon if I can post a topic and people answer it! That's not easy on a discushon board! Hur derp!"
 
It's like 2022. And H is still marveling at how he can go on a forum, post a topic, and people post responses.

Its wild shit, man. Its TOO EASY. The internet is a wild place.

So basically the weenis wasnt prepared for a counter point bomb and he is retreated back into his own pocket vagina.
 
why do admin and holiday gigglesnort like school girls when they shower together?
 
why do admin and holiday gigglesnort like school girls when they shower together?

Low info wimps.

Its gonna be amazing when their stupid handmaid traitors called liberal feminists start realizing what the Equality Act means for women and girls.

I'll still in their fucking smug faces. I'm not forgiving a single fucking leftard cunt who supported my rights being dissolved.

They should be the only ones getting harmed.
 
"Theoretically, both mothers and fathers can face charges under these statutes, but attorneys who study these cases say that it’s usually women who are taken to court, often because of unrealistic expectations that mothers should be able to protect their children no matter what. In an interview with the Norman Transcript, which has
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Hogue’s case since the beginning, Oklahoma County public defender Ryan Sullivan described the law as “draconian” and “sexist.”

Over the last decade, hundreds of mothers have been prosecuted for similar charges in Oklahoma, according to a Mother Jones analysis of court records. Some of them have received
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than the men who actually committed the abuse.

After her son’s death, Hogue cooperated with law enforcement while they searched for her boyfriend, Trent. She told them she’d seen no warning signs to indicate that he’d been harming her child. Before meeting Trent, she’d been with other boyfriends who abused her, but Trent seemed different, gentler. And when she started noticing bruises on her son or that the boy seemed lethargic, Trent always brushed it off or had an explanation that seemed to make sense. “I’m really mad at myself,” Hogue told detectives during an interview following her son’s death,
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the Transcript. “I believed him when [Trent] said he must’ve fallen or had the flu.”

Some of the investigators felt sympathy for Hogue. In fact, Norman Police Department Detective Sean Judy, who led the investigation, stated before the trial that he did not believe she committed a crime. In a recorded conversation, he and another detective referred to her arrest as a “bullshit case.” They did not want to press charges, but the district attorney’s office proceeded anyway, arguing that Hogue must have known about or suspected the abuse."
 
"Theoretically, both mothers and fathers can face charges under these statutes, but attorneys who study these cases say that it’s usually women who are taken to court, often because of unrealistic expectations that mothers should be able to protect their children no matter what. In an interview with the Norman Transcript, which has
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Hogue’s case since the beginning, Oklahoma County public defender Ryan Sullivan described the law as “draconian” and “sexist.”

Over the last decade, hundreds of mothers have been prosecuted for similar charges in Oklahoma, according to a Mother Jones analysis of court records. Some of them have received
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than the men who actually committed the abuse.

After her son’s death, Hogue cooperated with law enforcement while they searched for her boyfriend, Trent. She told them she’d seen no warning signs to indicate that he’d been harming her child. Before meeting Trent, she’d been with other boyfriends who abused her, but Trent seemed different, gentler. And when she started noticing bruises on her son or that the boy seemed lethargic, Trent always brushed it off or had an explanation that seemed to make sense. “I’m really mad at myself,” Hogue told detectives during an interview following her son’s death,
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the Transcript. “I believed him when [Trent] said he must’ve fallen or had the flu.”

Some of the investigators felt sympathy for Hogue. In fact, Norman Police Department Detective Sean Judy, who led the investigation, stated before the trial that he did not believe she committed a crime. In a recorded conversation, he and another detective referred to her arrest as a “bullshit case.” They did not want to press charges, but the district attorney’s office proceeded anyway, arguing that Hogue must have known about or suspected the abuse."

Its actually because the vast majority of violent crimes against women and children are committed by men.

So you WOULD see this more with mothers who ignored the abuse of their child for a disgusting abusive man. Women do not abuse their partners children nearly as much as men do it.

And yes, shes responsible for what happens to her children as a result of her choices. Pretending she didnt know changes NOTHING. Let's pretend she didnt know. It's because she chose to not know. That is your CHILD.

This article literally admits she saw BRUISES and a lethargy in her baby but he "brushed it off". No trip to the pediatrician ......wonder why.

You see bruises and lethargy you take the child the child to the doctor. You dont blow that shit off. And now the baby is dead because mom is a negligent retard and we are supposed to feel bad for HER?
 
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So to be straight

Dems/progs forced legislation that allows men to SELF IDENTIFY as women and are forcing vulnerable women in prison to share cells with biological MEN. Shit the nazis didnt even do to Jews. And all the cases of abuse and rape are being completely dismissed and ignored as women are redefined in law and losing rights.

But dems/progs are calling it SEXIST and DRACONIAN to hold mothers legally accountable for the safety of their children.

Cuz gotdammit.....if mom wants dick so badly that she allows her child to endure sexual/physical abuse and ends up dead? Well its sexist and draconian to deny her that and hold her accountable for the torture and death of her helpless child.

Right. This is how leftists destroy everything.
 
See H doesnt really care about the content of this topic.

His entire reason for posting this is some retarded attempt to accuse "CONZ" of abusing women.

Since his only point here is "derp conZ r bAd!", my commentary and opinion on this is very confusing to him and he cannot comprehend anything being said here.

He will start "liking" posts and having caveman like interactions as soon as A shows up with some poorly made strawman meme or adds his own "derhurdy der bad cOnz!" comment. That's about all they can do.

Then theyll move on to one liners about how obsessed with cock Big is.

Actually discussing the content in this post and why its hysterical partisan bullshit that is both wildly hypocritical and irresponsibly stupid that insults women and disregards children would take actual cognitive function that none of these people possess.

So naturally my posts confuse and frighten them.
 
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The police began searching for Trent, whom they suspected of murder. Days later, they found him hanging from a tree in the Wichita Mountain Wildlife Refuge, where he’d killed himself. Law enforcement believed he’d beaten the boy while Hogue was away at work that night. At the scene of his suicide, they found the words “Rebecca is Innocent” carved into a tree.
Everyone who investigated the case agreed that Hogue did not kill her son or participate in the abuse. She hadn’t even been home at the time of the violence. But in the ultimate act of victim-blaming against a grieving mother, the state of Oklahoma decided to punish her for her son’s death: In November, Hogue was convicted of first-degree murder, even though she never laid a hand on the boy.
But attorneys who study these cases say there’s no evidence that these types of laws actually keep kids safe. Instead, they often lead to the incarceration of moms who never committed any violence and were unable—often for reasons outside their control—to get help for their children. Some of these women were themselves victims of domestic violence.
Theoretically, both mothers and fathers can face charges under these statutes, but attorneys who study these cases say that it’s usually women who are taken to court, often because of unrealistic expectations that mothers should be able to protect their children no matter what. In an interview with the Norman Transcript, which has
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Hogue’s case since the beginning, Oklahoma County public defender Ryan Sullivan described the law as “draconian” and “sexist.”
Cleveland County District Attorney Greg Mashburn, whose office prosecuted Hogue, put it this way: “If you enable the abuse of a child, basically you failed to protect that child,” he told the Transcript. “You are just as guilty as the actual person” who committed the abuse.

Over the last decade, hundreds of mothers have been prosecuted for similar charges in Oklahoma, according to a Mother Jones analysis of court records. Some of them have received
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than the men who actually committed the abuse.

Some of the investigators felt sympathy for Hogue. In fact, Norman Police Department Detective Sean Judy, who led the investigation, stated before the trial that he did not believe she committed a crime. In a recorded conversation, he and another detective referred to her arrest as a “bullshit case.” They did not want to press charges..
Fischer, the attorney in Illinois, believes some prosecutors go hard against women in these cases because of political pressure. The thinking is, she says, “‘Don’t let people who let their children be killed get away.'” Prosecutors who are up for reelection don’t want to be judged for “looking like they are excusing child abuse,” adds Colby Lenz, who leads the advocacy group Survived & Punished in California, which tries to help women experiencing domestic violence.
During the trial, jurors were not allowed to see some evidence that might have helped Hogue. Judge Michael Tupper prevented them from hearing the recording of Detective Judy expressing skepticism about her guilt. The judge also prevented them from seeing the image of the tree carving at the Wichita Mountain Wildlife Refuge, the one that said “Rebecca is Innocent,” a message that the judge said would have constituted hearsay from Trent. And the judge prevented a domestic violence expert from testifying on Hogue’s behalf.
After the jury convicted Hogue, they recommended life in prison with the possibility of parole. But the judge won’t decide her sentence until Friday. After Hogue heard the jury’s recommendation, Hogue’s attorney Andrew Casey apologized to her as she was handcuffed and taken back to the jail, where officers put her in solitary confinement for several weeks because of the high-profile nature of her case. “We were utterly floored by the jury’s decision,” says Stacey Wright, an activist in Norman who began following failure-to-protect cases after starting a group that helps women who experienced sexual assault. “She shouldn’t have been charged. It’s absolutely unconscionable.”


In January, investigators for the Oklahoma Department of Corrections reviewed Hogue’s case and sent the court a sentencing recommendation that diverged from the jury’s. As part a report they file before a judge decides a punishment for a defendant, the investigators said they did not believe Hogue should spend time in prison because she was not a threat to the community. “Hogue appears to be struggling mentally and…it appears Hogue would benefit more from a longterm residential treatment facility to target her mental health, grief and trauma,” the report stated. It also suggested that she should serve probation after her release from a treatment facility. The investigators described Hogue as “remorseful” and said she “appears to be emotionally distraught” and “to be going through grief.”

But ultimately, it will be up to the judge to decide her sentence on Friday. The possibility remains that she will be sent to prison for life. “It’s just been hard for her to hold on to any hope,” says Wright, the activist, who talks to Hogue regularly.

Hogue keeps photos of her son in the Bible she sleeps beside in jail every night.
 
Good fucking gawd.

So they want us to believe this woman saw lethargy and bruises on her baby.

But thought everything was fine and never suspected this "gentle" man of abuse. Never caught on that anything was wrong. I'm sure the baby was totally happy and comfortable!

And then while she was at work, he kills the baby and runs off to hang himself....totally out of nowhere because everything was so happy awesome and there were NO signs (except bruises and lethargy) that there was a problem with this guy. And before hanging himself, he carved "mother is innocent". Which implicates her MORE to anyone with a functioning brain.

We are supposed to buy this sob story of a woman who failed her child so badly the child is DEAD.....and not just buy it, but STOP holding mothers accountable for bringing abusive men into their home and trapping their helpless children with monsters while their only line of defense doesnt "notice" abuse so severe it kills the child.

Why send anyone to prison? Human life is just garbage right?

It's not moms fault her shitty boyfriend murdered her child. Damn it's just a late term abortion.

Fucking Chris Watts has pictures of his daughters in his prison cell bible. MUST mean he didnt mean it!!!!
 
You know if someone appears to be experiencing "grief" maybe we should just not hold them accountable at all?

Let's allow all the "grieving" killers out of prison. Sounds awesome.

If they are big sad it must mean SOMETHING.

Doesnt mean fuck all to the dead kid.