Life in California SUCKS

[Omnipotent]

If you say so. There have been some failures and some successes here. People that are damaged not only damage others, but property as well.

They have mental health and substance abuse solutions. Homelessness is a complex problem.

Yes it is and one of problems is our soft approach because everyone afflicked is too fragile...and might break them if you speak to them frankly.

and the reason I am bringing that up is because I have recently become aware of a book written by 90 something year old Lady Glenconner who was a Lady in Waiting to Princess Margaret and bridesmaid at the Queens wedding. She described bitter winters when everyone was on rations and had no heating what so ever... and ice was formed on the inside of their bedroom windows and their clothes were folded under the blankets and warmed from their body heat. And she said people should toughen up....

It is good to know everybody was in the same boat back then after the 2nd wold war.... Even the friends of the queen gave their coupons so she could buy material for her wedding dress.

 

[Murdy]

There is no way to force someone into drug rehabilitation. The programs available to the homeless in Blue states prove this.

What they need to start addressing are the verbal and emotional abuse and neglect issues at an elementary school level. The damage and detrimental cognitive effects are far worse than physical abuse.

Drug addicts are damaged individuals and lost souls. Look at the faces of the homeless and you will see people who were never loved and who never learned to love themselves.

 

[Lily]

Drug addicts are damaged individuals and lost souls.

Yep. Saw a homeless woman outside of a restaurant months ago when I was shopping at Cabazon. She was putting sand in her hair and sort of scrubbing with it. I felt so bad for her imagining the mental torment she must have been experiencing.

I pointed her out to my partner...he looks and says "She's just washing the spiders out of her hair" and then chuckled. That's a con for you...

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Pig has a vivid imagination

 

[Oerdin]

How long would you force them into rehab?

Until a doctor says they are cured.

 

[Lily]

Until a doctor says they are cured.

It doesn't work.

I had a friend who was born and raised in Mexico. He had a daughter and a son here. His son became a heroin addict in his teen years. They tried rehab over and over. Kid was so bad that his mom kicked him out permanently. He'd stolen so much and put her through hell.

My friend tried with his son. His final attempt at fixing him was to take him to Ensenada. He pre-arranged Mexican style rehab. While they were having lunch, a group of men came and "kidnapped" his son. The basically took him to rehab. He paid for his son to be there a year. He worked, they kept him clean...etc.

Eventually after a year my friend got nothing but good reports back from his son. They brought him back to California. Before too long, he was on the junk again. They just let go. They had no hope left.

It's not as easy as you seem to think it is. It's a huge burden on a family.

 

[Murdy]

It doesn't work.

I had a friend who was born and raised in Mexico. He had a daughter and a son here. His son became a heroin addict in his teen years. They tried rehab over and over. Kid was so bad that his mom kicked him out permanently. He'd stolen so much and put her through hell.

My friend tried with his son. His final attempt at fixing him was to take him to Ensenada. He pre-arranged Mexican style rehab. While they were having lunch, a group of men came and "kidnapped" his son. The basically took him to rehab. He paid for his son to be there a year. He worked, they kept him clean...etc.

Eventually after a year my friend got nothing but good reports back from his son. They brought him back to California. Before too long, he was on the junk again. They just let go. They had no hope left.

It's not as easy as you seem to think it is. It's a huge burden on a family.

The rehabs here are well aware of this and that’s why there is an open door policy.

 

[Omnipotent]

It doesn't work.

It'll work for some but what percentage that would be is a mystery, like say 10 % success to 90% failure.... or 30% success or 40%. It wouldn't be a total failure. it will work on some.

Our failure might be the failure after treatment's complete. What better things can we do after someone is clean so reoffending is out of the question?

 

[Lily]

It'll work for some but what percentage that would be is a mystery, like say 10 % success to 90% failure.... or 30% success or 40%. It wouldn't be a total failure. it will work on some.

Our failure might be the failure after treatment's complete. What better things can we do after someone is clean so reoffending is out of the question?

Could be you're right. I don't know. It's a monumental problem that has no easy fixes.

 

[Oerdin]

 

[Omnipotent]

Until a doctor says they are cured.

well doctors can be fooled...

I came up with a pretty good plan about 10 years ago...

I thought at least lock them down in rehad 1 year....

if they reoffend on release, straight to jail.... something similar to that....that was the endo skeleton of the plan...

They would have to work inside the fascility. And they would be expected to pay for treatment over their lifeime.

Why I think my plan wouldn't work is there are too many clients/patients.

where I live they kick you out of rehab after 3 weeks and feel their work is done.

 

[Oerdin]

It doesn't work.

I had a friend who was born and raised in Mexico. He had a daughter and a son here. His son became a heroin addict in his teen years. They tried rehab over and over. Kid was so bad that his mom kicked him out permanently. He'd stolen so much and put her through hell.

My friend tried with his son. His final attempt at fixing him was to take him to Ensenada. He pre-arranged Mexican style rehab. While they were having lunch, a group of men came and "kidnapped" his son. The basically took him to rehab. He paid for his son to be there a year. He worked, they kept him clean...etc.

Eventually after a year my friend got nothing but good reports back from his son. They brought him back to California. Before too long, he was on the junk again. They just let go. They had no hope left.

It's not as easy as you seem to think it is. It's a huge burden on a family.

Then they need to stay in jail until they are clean. Zero tolerance works.

 

[Oerdin]

The rehabs here are well aware of this and that’s why there is an open door policy.

They can and do usually just check themselves out. The law needs to be restored where they cannot check themselves out and if they relapse they end up in jail for a very long time.

 

[Dove]

There is no way to force someone into drug rehabilitation. The programs available to the homeless in Blue states prove this.

What they need to start addressing are the verbal and emotional abuse and neglect issues at an elementary school level. The damage and detrimental cognitive effects are far worse than physical abuse.

Drug addicts are damaged individuals and lost souls. Look at the faces of the homeless and you will see people who were never loved and who never learned to love themselves.

This is completely wrong.

You actually CAN force people into rehab. Plenty of people who get arrested for drug related crime are given the option of prison or a long term rehab program. And it doesnt always work for everyone, but it has saved a lot of people. People who could have died if not being arrested and given that chance and realized how much better life is clean and getting the proper therapy.

The programs in blue states are fucking garbage and that's why you think about addiction the way you do. You dont see good results because the problem isnt being addressed properly.

And no.....you absolutely do not harrass children or police what you think is "emotional abuse and neglect". If you are worried about elementary school than you should be more concerned with the fact your schools are failing children, focusing on perverted sex and gender ideology and cranking out illiterates.

Also it's disgusting that you've decided a homeless addict must not be "loved" by anyone. Its not just wrong factually....its disgusting and insensitive.

I dont think a legitimate abuser has any business taking about "abuse and neglect on the elementary level" seeing as how you dont know shit about CAs elementary schools and you are not an educated professional with a grasp on empathy and ethics.

I could absolutely see people like Oak and Murd having children ripped from living homes and placed with actual abusers over things like the mother taking them to church on Sundays. Kids are at a much higher risk of abuse of death....and trafficking....when the state removes them.

But state tyranny is their answer to every problem. Just throw money and state control on everything.

 

[Dove]

Until a doctor says they are cured.

How it happens is a judge will typically offer a stay in rehab instead of a prison sentence. Here in MI we have more real programs that are more successful than typical state ran facilities. State facilities will do like a 3 day detox followed by 3 weeks residential. It does not help much at all. It's just a waste of resources.

Here we have extended programs. When I went through a program I was in there with 5 women who were sentenced and chose the program. It's a year in house lifeskills program. They allow mothers with children to have their children with them. They have classes and therapy and while mom is doing that, they have a really good daycare for young kids and a transportation service for school age kids.

At the 9 month mark they offer GED training and job readiness programs and a financial advisor to help teach the residents how to manage money. Then you graduate that and go on to after care. Married couples can rent their own place and single people rent rooms in a house. You still can use the daycare and the school transportation. Still have therapy. And monthly aftercare meeting.

Aftercare is fun. Community is really important so there are a lot of activities like game night, movie night....stuff like that.

After you graduate aftercare you can have the option of buying a house from the church. We didnt do that because we really didnt want to live in the city at all.

Out of the 5 women who went in to avoid prison? Only ONE has relapsed. The other 4 are doing incredible to this day. Married and having children and rocking life ♡


Of course.....ALL of these people are someones son or daughter. Someones brother or sister. Someones parent even. They are definately loved by someone. All valuable human beings with human dignity who simply need help and support. Not to be treated like a problem to manage or enable.

 

[Murdy]

They have court ordered rehabilitation here, which is an option for people facing jail time for their convictions.

I have several friends with PhD’s who work as family rehabilitation counselors, who are brought into the home for therapy and reuniting parents who lost their children due to drug convictions. It’s a rough job. All of them are really good moms and I’m sure it has to do with the shit they see.

There is so much prostitution in the skid-row area of DTLA and I’m talking grandmothers pimping out their 12 yo grandchildren, that one of them quit a few years back. Obviously, these are poor families barely scraping by. It’s very sad.

It is extremely difficult to get your children back after you have been convicted in drug court. Most of them don’t have another parent to take custody, so they are thrust into the system and many will never get out. Every child in the system is vulnerable and many of them will end up being lured into sex trafficking

 

[Dove]

Which is why meaningful, long term rehabilitation and supporting mothers with children should be a priority as well actual enforcing of laws.

Keep male rapists out of female prison should also be a priority.

CA however places males in female prison and uses tax funding to pay for hormones and sex change surgeries while WOMEN cant even get decent prenatal care and are forced to birth babies cuffed a bed.

We SHOULD have mother/child wards in prisons where mothers who commit nonviolent crimes and go to prison pregnant can have their children, receive counseling and adequate medical care and have programs that help them reenter society.

The state will never solve the problems caused by the state. This is the trick politcains play on people to grab power, stay in power, and keep money coming in. They create the problems, and promise to solve them and only make them worse.

 

[Oerdin]

Here is a fact: A few years ago California had the go to rehab or go to jail system. Sadly, leftists changed it so the punishment of going to jail can no longer he used. Now they just get sent to rehab but 9 times out of 10 they just check themselves out and nothing happens to them. In the old system they automatically went to jail so they stayed in rehab and as a result far better outcomes actually happened.

That is one of the many, many things idiot leftists have fucked up in this state. Another huge fuck up they caused was decriminalizing open drug abuse which has caused the number of addicts to skyrocket causing massive social harm. Weak on crime laws are a third leftist fuck up because it allows people to steal and commit crimes with impunity without ever facing legal consequences.

 

[Murdy]

They can and do usually just check themselves out. The law needs to be restored where they cannot check themselves out and if they relapse they end up in jail for a very long time.

What is the point if they are just going to get back out and use?

85% of prison inmates meet the criteria for substance use disorder.

35 million people world wide are active in their addictions right now with 20.4 million in the US alone.

85% of these people will enter rehab and will relapse within the first year.

This is an alarming epidemic.

 

[Dove]

Two people literally just explained the point.

If they are court ordered and its enforced they have to complete a program. And A LOT of people recover that way.

Under what is being done NOW? It's made the problem vastly WORSE. Now people are just openly using on the streets. They dont have any incentive to stay in treatment long enough to make a clear decision.

Talking to people who are just thinking about what they are gonna say next and not hearing shit.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Letting people pour across the border in droves carrying these drugs isn't going to help the situation much either but we don't seem to care about that as long as it's only border states bearing the burden of the influx.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Two people literally just explained the point.

If they are court ordered and its enforced they have to complete a program. And A LOT of people recover that way.

Under what is being done NOW? It's made the problem vastly WORSE. Now people are just openly using on the streets. They dont have any incentive to stay in treatment long enough to make a clear decision.

Talking to people who are just thinking about what they are gonna say next and not hearing shit.

Catering to the lowest common denominator of society will never propel a civilization to success long term.

libs can cry all they want about that but it is a fact.

If these people cannot be rehabilitated within a reasonable period of time they need to be relocated to areas of the country where they cannot impede the progress of those who are contributing citizens. Making hardworking people who many a time are victimized by these degenerates tolerate this kind of filth because of ""humanity"" isn't humanity at all.

 

[Dove]

Catering to the lowest common denominator of society will never propel a civilization to success long term.

libs can cry all they want about that but it is a fact.

If these people cannot be rehabilitated within a reasonable period of time they need to be relocated to areas of the country where they cannot impede the progress of those who are contributing citizens. Making hardworking people who many a time are victimized by these degenerates tolerate this kind of filth because of ""humanity"" isn't humanity at all.

The tiny house thing was a good idea but they had to lay down regulations that are retarded and then it became trendy. And I mean for the recovered homeless.

Addicts need more than 3 weeks in a conveyer belt rehab.

Relying on the state is a fuck up. Just enforce the laws. If they had any real life skills programs they would see better results.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

The tiny house thing was a good idea but they had to lay down regulations that are retarded and then it became trendy. And I mean for the recovered homeless.

Addicts need more than 3 weeks in a conveyer belt rehab.

Relying on the state is a fuck up. Just enforce the laws. If they had any real life skills programs they would see better results.

Housing is not affordable in California due to over regulation and the cancer of capitalism. Unions.

Unions had their time when they were necessary, but now, like most other healthy programs have gone to shit and cater to the lowest levels of lazy cretin society has to offer.

take Oak for instance.

 

[Murdy]

Here is a fact: A few years ago California had the go to rehab or go to jail system. Sadly, leftists changed it so the punishment of going to jail can no longer he used. Now they just get sent to rehab but 9 times out of 10 they just check themselves out and nothing happens to them. In the old system they automatically went to jail so they stayed in rehab and as a result far better outcomes actually happened.

That is one of the many, many things idiot leftists have fucked up in this state. Another huge fuck up they caused was decriminalizing open drug abuse which has caused the number of addicts to skyrocket causing massive social harm. Weak on crime laws are a third leftist fuck up because it allows people to steal and commit crimes with impunity without ever facing

Drug addiction is a mental illness.

The laws that enable courts to order people to be locked away for mental issues were changed by Republicans:

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[Oerdin]

You are confusing two different things. In the early 1970's Reagan was governor of California (the state legislature was controlled by very left wing Democrats) and both wanted to end duty to care laws. Reagan because he thought the vast unionized state mental hospital system cost to much and care could be delivered more cheaply as outpatient care where as the liberal Dems thought it was somehow cruel or unfair to lock lunatics up in asylums.

What I was speaking about was a proposition passed in the 20 teens which ended jail terms for drug addicts. That sounded nice to ignorant leftists but has been a total disaster as judges can no longer tell them "go to rehab or go to jail". Now they automatically get diverted to voluntary rehab but they can check themselves out any time they want and many do the very same day. Under the old system failing to complete rehab resulted in jail time now there are no consequences. That is a hugely bad thing.

So get your story straight and learn what people are talking about.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Good luck with that

 

[Oerdin]

Hope spring eternal.

 

[Murdy]

Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act in 1967, all but ending the practice of institutionalizing patients against their will. When deinstitutionalization began 50 years ago, California mistakenly relied on community treatment facilities, which were never built

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Hope spring eternal.

with libs?

surely you jest, sir.