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Well. At least we know no one will ever come to take them from my home.
Think it might have anything to do with all the nuclear waste in the water or the strange noises your kids make when they get excited?
Well. At least we know no one will ever come to take them from my home.
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Well. At least we know no one will ever come to take them from my home.
Think it might have anything to do with all the nuclear waste in the water or the strange noises your kids make when they get excited?
Did I tell you the rest of the world doesn't care as long as you keep them properly confined to their cages?Haven't you said that like 14 million six hundred times already?Yeah. Haven’t seen that one driving in a while thoMumbletini was probably driving last night
One of them is actually quite entertaining and fun to trade insults with, no idea which one though.
now we stuck with the boring and butthurt repetitive Flynn
the one that acts like a scorned bitch who got dumped by dovey
That gal is such a heartbreaker! :LOL1:
Not at all!
They say the time it takes to get over someone is the amount of time the encounter lasted. That's mostly for real committed relationships that last a year or more.
This was like a fling that lasted weeks, and here we are two years later because this is sociopathy.
Narcissistic abuse has cycles. There is that love bombing limerace period where they try to create this magical mythical love story and they try to move WAY too fast. This is where you hear a bunch of lies, ex slamming, future faking, talk of living together/marriage, all peppered with randoms dramas where they get overly pissed about little things.
It's a PLEASE ASS BOX ME! period. They start trying to "train" and groom you for abuse. There is gaslighting and a lot of emotional manipulation.
Then once they have you they start devaluing. Then they discard.
If you notice the pattern and understand what's happening in that PLEASE ASS BOX ME! love bombing stage and you put an end to it firmly, that loss of control enrages them.
I saw the pattern early on and was kinda trying to figure out how to seperate from it with the least amount of drama. I HATE drama in my life. And I dont like my privacy violated. These are things he knows....so that's why it happened.
This entire shit show is about control. He is raging and angry because he wants control.
The aftermath when you've cut ties with a narc always involves a character smear campaign, recruiting others in the shared network to their "side" and attempting to ruin your life.
This is a one sided "war" with a rage filled abuser who is obsessed with "winning".
So like how normal people would just accept it didnt work out and move on respectfully and keep the internet out of it like healthy adults, he has to create this unhinged nasty drama that goes on until he feels he has "won".
He isnt playing the same game, shit he isnt even on the same feild as everyone else.
The people that allowed themselves to get involved and become what's called "flying monkeys" all have similar cluster b disordered thinking and they are repeating their histories on these forums. Like Casket, shes been doing shit like this for 15 years that we know of.
Even after I disengaged and was off the boards for a bit, these nutcases went and tried to look me up, and then started telling posters on BC that they found I was getting evicted. And these drooling sociopaths really thought this was some big moment to "own" me and that I would be humiliated and...I dunno leave? I wasnt even on at the time.
They dont understand that normal, nonsociopathic people would meet that with a few levels of concern. People with normal empathy were worried about my family being put on streets AND worried that this nutbag was cyber stalking me. They do not get it.
So it helps to be prepared when you are dealing with obsessive narcs who have fixated on you and have no grasp on appropriate boundaries. They give themselves all kinds of rationalizations for their unhinged actions.
If this were a "broken heart" it would have been over a long time ago, never having seen the forums. This is narcissistic sociopathy and stalking.
When you pull the number of people like this, they lose it and immediately work on discrediting you. So expect to see "Duuuuur dovey plays victim!!".....that whole detachment from reality thing. They will put a lot of energy into making the "truth teller" look crazy or manipulative....where normal people would walk away. It's all very textbook.
MELTDOWN!!!!!111111111111111111
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!1111111
See? Textbook.
That was an all cap twofer because its true.
This person is more likely to engage in criminality assuming it will be protected as it's "just cyber stalking".....not realizing that a real life fling and knowing the identity of the stalker changes the entire matter....than it is to just walk away and let it go like a normal person.
It shows up and keeps on and on and gets pissed about what gets said back and thinks that entitles it to escalate. It's a pretty predictable process that happens often enough to have been seen many times. He fits every requirement of who actually gets in real trouble for online stalking/harrassment no matter how its spun the minute it goes off the forum venue.
Pretty sick shit.
"Pretty sick shit" is losing your children to the state.
"Pretty sick shit" is fucking two strangers off a forum.
"Pretty sick shit" is calling EVERYONE who doesn't agree with you a "PLEASE ASS BOX ME!."
"Pretty sick shit" is YOU getting evicted 2 weeks before Christmas.
Yanno?
Right.
Here is reality. Even....EVEN if all of this were true? It's not your business.
And the fact that you obsessively spam and are innapropriately emotional about it? Is really fucking sick. Creepy. Stalker behavior.
The more you rant, the more like a serial killer you sound.
You read like an obsessed psychopath. Also you are not as protected as you think, I'm afraid.
So. Now you're finally admitting to what I was saying all along? You are figuring out that you can't fool everyone, anymore? You are a crap mother who deserved to have children taken away from that dungeon of physical and mental abuse. I cried when I heard all your exploits pertaining to your innocent children.
BF lost Flea and King Martini because of your slutty lying ass. I would rather have Flea, Martini and Murdock and Seamajor and RancidMilko and EVEN Aryan AND BEnzo over the likes of YOU and that talking steroid, Biggie Dipshit.
You take all the fun out of these boards. You pull this fucking garbage at every fucking forum you fucking post at. You take the boards and make it into your little fucking fantasy land of sheer fucking nauseating drama that already HAS BEEN PROVEN BEING FUCKING BROUGHT UP BY NONE OTHER THAN YOUR STUPID FUCKING ASS.
At least with Aryan, BEnzo and even RancidMilko, I can have a nice chuckle once in a while. With you it's all about complaing about what other's think. Or bringing up old fucking shit then shifting the blame so you look picked on. I guess the thing that really stands out is you trying to sound intelligent. You should listen to yourself once in a while, you'll read what a stupid person sounds like trying to sound intelligent.
I actually feel sorry for you.
You could put me on ignore, idiot.
No is making you read my posts and rant like an obsessive psychopath.
You chose that. You ruin your own "fun".
Grow up and take responsibility for your stupid self. No one cares about you and your dumb self inflicted problems.
I could. But I won't. I like picking on shitty mothers.
You either like it or its ruining your fun, you dumb psycho.
You are the one going off for paragraphs about how I ruin your "fun".
You are clearly not enjoying yourself, F.
Well. I guess I can make up all that "sorrow" I have, just knowing that I have FULL CUSTODY of my children.
How many baby daddie's do you have? 4?
Children are not tools to use on forums, psycho.
You keep doing this as if it's some sort of good material.
In reality you really are a ghoulish child exploiting spammer who is grossing people out.
There isnt a person here who believes that if you DO have children there that you SHOULD have children
There is something very wrong and disturbed within you. Sociopathy.
In "reality" you're a shitty fucking ass mother. No one is going to listen to a bitch that has 4 different kids from 4 different guys. All 4 of your kids have been taken away.
You are fucking pathetic, yanno?
what is it, you want to be sure you change your underwear in perfect sync with your thoughts?
Did I tell you I have custody of my children?
Well. At least we know no one will ever come to take them from my home.
Can Dovey say the same? Yanno?
They won't. Even Sandusky would think twice times two thousand and five timeYes Flynntini, we've been through the unwantedness of your deformed sprogs alreadyA your children still known for gnawing their strapsShe lost you in a dog park tho. ObviouslyMaybe. But even my mom never lost me to the State. Yanno?
But the State never came to get me, "tho."
Unlike, Dovey. Yanno?
I mean.....yet.
Keep up like this and someone is bound to drop the net eventually.
They may drop "the net" on me, but not my children.
Tell me druggie. When they "dropped the net" on you, did you start blaming everyone else? Yanno?
Tell the truth, if you don't throw a dead possum in their cage at least once a week will they chew off their legs?
But the State won't be coming to take them away, "tho."
As long as they never end up in foster care.
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Well then I have one more to trade to "Leroy."
At least the State doesn't have my children, yanno?
Did I tell you the rest of the world doesn't care as long as you keep them properly confined to their cages?Haven't you said that like 14 million six hundred times already?Yeah. Haven’t seen that one driving in a while thoMumbletini was probably driving last night
One of them is actually quite entertaining and fun to trade insults with, no idea which one though.
now we stuck with the boring and butthurt repetitive Flynn
the one that acts like a scorned bitch who got dumped by dovey
That gal is such a heartbreaker! :LOL1:
Not at all!
They say the time it takes to get over someone is the amount of time the encounter lasted. That's mostly for real committed relationships that last a year or more.
This was like a fling that lasted weeks, and here we are two years later because this is sociopathy.
Narcissistic abuse has cycles. There is that love bombing limerace period where they try to create this magical mythical love story and they try to move WAY too fast. This is where you hear a bunch of lies, ex slamming, future faking, talk of living together/marriage, all peppered with randoms dramas where they get overly pissed about little things.
It's a PLEASE ASS BOX ME! period. They start trying to "train" and groom you for abuse. There is gaslighting and a lot of emotional manipulation.
Then once they have you they start devaluing. Then they discard.
If you notice the pattern and understand what's happening in that PLEASE ASS BOX ME! love bombing stage and you put an end to it firmly, that loss of control enrages them.
I saw the pattern early on and was kinda trying to figure out how to seperate from it with the least amount of drama. I HATE drama in my life. And I dont like my privacy violated. These are things he knows....so that's why it happened.
This entire shit show is about control. He is raging and angry because he wants control.
The aftermath when you've cut ties with a narc always involves a character smear campaign, recruiting others in the shared network to their "side" and attempting to ruin your life.
This is a one sided "war" with a rage filled abuser who is obsessed with "winning".
So like how normal people would just accept it didnt work out and move on respectfully and keep the internet out of it like healthy adults, he has to create this unhinged nasty drama that goes on until he feels he has "won".
He isnt playing the same game, shit he isnt even on the same feild as everyone else.
The people that allowed themselves to get involved and become what's called "flying monkeys" all have similar cluster b disordered thinking and they are repeating their histories on these forums. Like Casket, shes been doing shit like this for 15 years that we know of.
Even after I disengaged and was off the boards for a bit, these nutcases went and tried to look me up, and then started telling posters on BC that they found I was getting evicted. And these drooling sociopaths really thought this was some big moment to "own" me and that I would be humiliated and...I dunno leave? I wasnt even on at the time.
They dont understand that normal, nonsociopathic people would meet that with a few levels of concern. People with normal empathy were worried about my family being put on streets AND worried that this nutbag was cyber stalking me. They do not get it.
So it helps to be prepared when you are dealing with obsessive narcs who have fixated on you and have no grasp on appropriate boundaries. They give themselves all kinds of rationalizations for their unhinged actions.
If this were a "broken heart" it would have been over a long time ago, never having seen the forums. This is narcissistic sociopathy and stalking.
When you pull the number of people like this, they lose it and immediately work on discrediting you. So expect to see "Duuuuur dovey plays victim!!".....that whole detachment from reality thing. They will put a lot of energy into making the "truth teller" look crazy or manipulative....where normal people would walk away. It's all very textbook.
MELTDOWN!!!!!111111111111111111
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!1111111
See? Textbook.
That was an all cap twofer because its true.
This person is more likely to engage in criminality assuming it will be protected as it's "just cyber stalking".....not realizing that a real life fling and knowing the identity of the stalker changes the entire matter....than it is to just walk away and let it go like a normal person.
It shows up and keeps on and on and gets pissed about what gets said back and thinks that entitles it to escalate. It's a pretty predictable process that happens often enough to have been seen many times. He fits every requirement of who actually gets in real trouble for online stalking/harrassment no matter how its spun the minute it goes off the forum venue.
Pretty sick shit.
"Pretty sick shit" is losing your children to the state.
"Pretty sick shit" is fucking two strangers off a forum.
"Pretty sick shit" is calling EVERYONE who doesn't agree with you a "PLEASE ASS BOX ME!."
"Pretty sick shit" is YOU getting evicted 2 weeks before Christmas.
Yanno?
Right.
Here is reality. Even....EVEN if all of this were true? It's not your business.
And the fact that you obsessively spam and are innapropriately emotional about it? Is really fucking sick. Creepy. Stalker behavior.
The more you rant, the more like a serial killer you sound.
You read like an obsessed psychopath. Also you are not as protected as you think, I'm afraid.
So. Now you're finally admitting to what I was saying all along? You are figuring out that you can't fool everyone, anymore? You are a crap mother who deserved to have children taken away from that dungeon of physical and mental abuse. I cried when I heard all your exploits pertaining to your innocent children.
BF lost Flea and King Martini because of your slutty lying ass. I would rather have Flea, Martini and Murdock and Seamajor and RancidMilko and EVEN Aryan AND BEnzo over the likes of YOU and that talking steroid, Biggie Dipshit.
You take all the fun out of these boards. You pull this fucking garbage at every fucking forum you fucking post at. You take the boards and make it into your little fucking fantasy land of sheer fucking nauseating drama that already HAS BEEN PROVEN BEING FUCKING BROUGHT UP BY NONE OTHER THAN YOUR STUPID FUCKING ASS.
At least with Aryan, BEnzo and even RancidMilko, I can have a nice chuckle once in a while. With you it's all about complaing about what other's think. Or bringing up old fucking shit then shifting the blame so you look picked on. I guess the thing that really stands out is you trying to sound intelligent. You should listen to yourself once in a while, you'll read what a stupid person sounds like trying to sound intelligent.
I actually feel sorry for you.
You could put me on ignore, idiot.
No is making you read my posts and rant like an obsessive psychopath.
You chose that. You ruin your own "fun".
Grow up and take responsibility for your stupid self. No one cares about you and your dumb self inflicted problems.
I could. But I won't. I like picking on shitty mothers.
You either like it or its ruining your fun, you dumb psycho.
You are the one going off for paragraphs about how I ruin your "fun".
You are clearly not enjoying yourself, F.
Well. I guess I can make up all that "sorrow" I have, just knowing that I have FULL CUSTODY of my children.
How many baby daddie's do you have? 4?
Children are not tools to use on forums, psycho.
You keep doing this as if it's some sort of good material.
In reality you really are a ghoulish child exploiting spammer who is grossing people out.
There isnt a person here who believes that if you DO have children there that you SHOULD have children
There is something very wrong and disturbed within you. Sociopathy.
In "reality" you're a shitty fucking ass mother. No one is going to listen to a bitch that has 4 different kids from 4 different guys. All 4 of your kids have been taken away.
You are fucking pathetic, yanno?
what is it, you want to be sure you change your underwear in perfect sync with your thoughts?
Did I tell you I have custody of my children?
Well. At least we know no one will ever come to take them from my home.
Can Dovey say the same? Yanno?
Well I'm not an abusive narc sociopath, so I really have any pressing need to dehumanize and exploit my kids on the internet.
Pretty fucked up we all know you cant say the same yanno?
what are you using? The planet mars?You're wasting that line on me, I'm only here to stretch that foul shithole of yours :LMAO:
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Well then I have one more to trade to "Leroy."
At least the State doesn't have my children, yanno?
You're wasting that line on me, I'm only here to stretch that foul shithole of yours :LMAO:
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Q: What is your relationship status?
A: I have been married to a wonderful man for XXX years. We have XXX children.
Are you a female? What do you look like?
I am "female."
I am 5'9, I weigh 124 pounds. I have long auburn hair and have green eyes.
They won't. Even Sandusky would think twice times two thousand and five timeYes Flynntini, we've been through the unwantedness of your deformed sprogs alreadyA your children still known for gnawing their strapsShe lost you in a dog park tho. ObviouslyMaybe. But even my mom never lost me to the State. Yanno?
But the State never came to get me, "tho."
Unlike, Dovey. Yanno?
I mean.....yet.
Keep up like this and someone is bound to drop the net eventually.
They may drop "the net" on me, but not my children.
Tell me druggie. When they "dropped the net" on you, did you start blaming everyone else? Yanno?
Tell the truth, if you don't throw a dead possum in their cage at least once a week will they chew off their legs?
But the State won't be coming to take them away, "tho."
As long as they never end up in foster care.
Going neck and neck with a rabid pitbul isn't playing.Keep trying. In the meantime, i'll watch my children play. Yanno?
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Well then I have one more to trade to "Leroy."
At least the State doesn't have my children, yanno?
You're wasting that line on me, I'm only here to stretch that foul shithole of yours :LMAO:
Keep trying. In the meantime, i'll watch my children play. Yanno?
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Well, not exactly. you remained friends with Martini and no matter how you slice it he snitched.Wtf did you do to these people?
If that is a question to me, then I will attempt to answer it.
I did nothing to these "people." They all came out of the box like this.
Yeah well I’m getting ready to bounce. It’s like there is no escaping these people and their real life drama bullshit.
Then you've let them win.
Who the hell wants to read about middle aged train wreck drama? It’s not even funny.
When did you get friendly with the forum STD? :LOL1:
Im friendly with everyone except snitches and liars. Sue me
just sayin'
So did Dovey.
Exactly. I don’t fuck with cop callers
Going neck and neck with a rabid pitbul isn't playing.Keep trying. In the meantime, i'll watch my children play. Yanno?
Do you feed your children gunpowder?
tell the truth
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Well then I have one more to trade to "Leroy."
At least the State doesn't have my children, yanno?
You're wasting that line on me, I'm only here to stretch that foul shithole of yours :LMAO:
Keep trying. In the meantime, i'll watch my children play. Yanno?
Okay cool you do that :LMAO2:
How do you watch them when your eyes are glued to a monitor and you're pre-occupied with soothing the BURNnnnn
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
OWNED!!!1111
Do you miss your children?
It’s hard to engage with “noobs” that know a couple members at Bastard Factory with multiple accounts from other forums, and just assume that they can carry on from where they left off with them, abusing everyone else’s intelligence and being an overbearing “political” spammer.Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh *sigh*Lady...I understand where you’re coming from...we all do, but do you know where you’re going?Don’t be a jargonistic embarrassment.You come off like an absolute fuckwit using that term. We all used it fucking 15 years ago. Imbecile.Nobody uses the word Vitriol anymore...that word just signifies cunt to anybody that dares to use it anymore. Malice shall suffice. Jesus fucking Christ!Q: What do you do for a living?
A: I work as a Marketing Manager for XXXXXXXXX.This thread is just sad
Because it's not spewing vitriol and hate? Yeah, really sad.
Oh, cons have canceled "vitriol"? Thanks for the bulletin, twat.
Vitriol is a word that has been in the English language since the 14th century. Because some trolls discovered it and started using it on a message board 15 years ago, and then got sick of it, doesn't mean it should now be eliminated from the vernacular after 700 years.
Don't be so vitriolic, you pedant.
"Vitriol" isn't jargon. It's a well-established word in the English language that has many authentic uses. Just because you learned it, and then got sick of it, on a message board doesn't mean we should now expunge it from the language.
Don't be embarrassed by your ignorance, sweetie.
Go ahead. Ban me for using a word that bugs you because you're a forum junkie.
Bastard Factory is my only off topic forum. I come here to have a laugh and socialise. I don’t come here to listen to a mob of argumentative idiots from other off topic forums that don’t know how to assimilate into ours. When you relax and aren’t all about politics, you really aren’t that bad.
When you relax and quit trying to control newcomers instead of welcoming and engaging with them you aren't so bad, either.
Wait.
I don't think you've ever done that.
Just drop your slacks and relax...
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
OWNED!!!1111
Do you miss your children?
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
SHE is the one, why do you live it ??
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
OWNED!!!1111
Do you miss your children?
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
SHE is the one, why do you live it ??
Ya know, I've always wondered why folks care so much about other folks sex life. Maybe the porn just doesn't do it for em' anymore? Hehehehe...
Do you have intamacy envy issues?No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
OWNED!!!1111
Do you miss your children?
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
OWNED!!!1111
Do you miss your children?
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
SHE is the one, why do you live it ??
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
OWNED!!!1111
Do you miss your children?
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
SHE is the one, why do you live it ??
Ya know, I've always wondered why folks care so much about other folks sex life. Maybe the porn just doesn't do it for em' anymore? Hehehehe...
she's prolly fucked herself with an eggplant and broke her box :LMAO2: :LMAO2: :LMAO:
Do you have intamacy envy issues?No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
OWNED!!!1111
Do you miss your children?
Be honest
Flynn gets off on used plumbing suppliesNo you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
OWNED!!!1111
Do you miss your children?
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
SHE is the one, why do you live it ??
Ya know, I've always wondered why folks care so much about other folks sex life. Maybe the porn just doesn't do it for em' anymore? Hehehehe...
she's prolly fucked herself with an eggplant and broke her box :LMAO2: :LMAO2: :LMAO:
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Well then I have one more to trade to "Leroy."
At least the State doesn't have my children, yanno?
You're wasting that line on me, I'm only here to stretch that foul shithole of yours :LMAO:
No you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
OWNED!!!1111
Do you miss your children?
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
SHE is the one, why do you live it ??
Because it's fun having alk you tards all up in arms. I did this at SG, TBC, BH, FT...etc...
I own the forums and you and Dovey and any other tard pisting in this fucking thread.
Like it or not YOU spent alk weekend in MY FUCKING THREAD.
I think it reminds her of all those times daddy raped her before bedtimeNo you don't .... you sold 'em to Leroy for a hit a crack :LMAO2:
Its gonna fling its unvaccinated and neglected crotch goblins in your face now lol
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
OWNED!!!1111
Do you miss your children?
Aren't you the one that FUCKED Biggie and Martini?
SHE is the one, why do you live it ??
Because it's fun having alk you tards all up in arms. I did this at SG, TBC, BH, FT...etc...
I own the forums and you and Dovey and any other tard pisting in this fucking thread.
Like it or not YOU spent alk weekend in MY FUCKING THREAD.
yeh okay, bashing you you stupid crackhead BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA IS THERE SOMETHING i'M MISSING, DO YOU GET OFF ON BEING TOLD WHAT A USELESS CARCKHEAD YOU ARE ??