COVID cases in Cuba fall dramatically

[Joe]

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Cuba’s home-grown vaccines have massively cut covid-19 cases
Four months after hospitals collapsed in Cuba due to skyrocketing covid-19 case numbers, the country has rolled out its own vaccines and cases are down to 5 for every 100,000 people

HEALTH December 23, 2021 15:26
By Luke Taylor

- Cuba is preparing to give the green light in a few days to one of its coronavirus vaccines, the first created in Latin America and a hope for the region facing a new wave of the pandemic.
Abdala is one of Cuba’s covid-19 vaccines

Four months after Cuba reported the world’s highest number of daily covid-19 infections per capita, and more than 9000 cases a day, it has driven the incidence of new cases down to double digits with its own vaccines.

The island reported 61 new daily infections on 21 December – 0.54 for every 100,000 people – as cases declined for the fourth consecutive month

 

[Joe]

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[Breakfall]

Interesting Joe. I think the initial blood clot debacle put a lot of mistrust in the vaccines for many people. And the governments were basically willing to use people like me with that susceptibility as mere collateral damage. Two years later, it’s good to see more positivity with better vaccines available. Choice is everything really.

 

[Dove]

Interesting Joe. I think the initial blood clot debacle put a lot of mistrust in the vaccines for many people. And the governments were basically willing to use people like me with that susceptibility as mere collateral damage. Two years later, it’s good to see more positivity with better vaccines available. Choice is everything really.

That will get you labeled conservative whacko.

American "liberals" want people to get fired and ostracised and even denied medical treatment if they refuse the vaccine for ANY reason.

It's how they fight for "democracy"

 

[Breakfall]

Interesting Joe. I think the initial blood clot debacle put a lot of mistrust in the vaccines for many people. And the governments were basically willing to use people like me with that susceptibility as mere collateral damage. Two years later, it’s good to see more positivity with better vaccines available. Choice is everything really.

That will get you labeled conservative whacko.

Hahahahahahaha…I’m into all things sustainable. That’s were my conservative nature really kicks in. I’m a tree hugger.

 

[Dove]

Interesting Joe. I think the initial blood clot debacle put a lot of mistrust in the vaccines for many people. And the governments were basically willing to use people like me with that susceptibility as mere collateral damage. Two years later, it’s good to see more positivity with better vaccines available. Choice is everything really.

That will get you labeled conservative whacko.

Hahahahahahaha…I’m into all things sustainable. That’s were my conservative nature really kicks in. I’m a tree hugger.

Would you say government coercion and force of vaccines is a civil and human rights violation and directly in opposition to the principles of individual rights and liberties?

 

[Joe]

Interesting Joe. I think the initial blood clot debacle put a lot of mistrust in the vaccines for many people. And the governments were basically willing to use people like me with that susceptibility as mere collateral damage. Two years later, it’s good to see more positivity with better vaccines available. Choice is everything really.

The problem in the Capitalist West is they are producing vaccines for profit. Whereas in Cuba they're being made for the common good. Whenever the motivation is profit, human life takes a back seat.

 

[Breakfall]

Interesting Joe. I think the initial blood clot debacle put a lot of mistrust in the vaccines for many people. And the governments were basically willing to use people like me with that susceptibility as mere collateral damage. Two years later, it’s good to see more positivity with better vaccines available. Choice is everything really.

The problem in the Capitalist West is they are producing vaccines for profit. Whereas in Cuba they're being made for the common good. Whenever the motivation is profit, human life takes a back seat.

In South Africa people have to pay for a covid test can you believe? All things come at a cost though. Annual regular flu shots always came at a cost. Covid boosters will be no different. Somebody needs to be paid. I loved the tobacco article using plants to trick the body into producing antigens. That was an interesting read.

 

[Joe]

Interesting Joe. I think the initial blood clot debacle put a lot of mistrust in the vaccines for many people. And the governments were basically willing to use people like me with that susceptibility as mere collateral damage. Two years later, it’s good to see more positivity with better vaccines available. Choice is everything really.

The problem in the Capitalist West is they are producing vaccines for profit. Whereas in Cuba they're being made for the common good. Whenever the motivation is profit, human life takes a back seat.

In South Africa people have to pay for a covid test can you believe? All things come at a cost though. Annual regular flu shots always came at a cost. Covid boosters will be no different. Somebody needs to be paid. I loved the tobacco article using plants to trick the body into producing antigens. That was an interesting read.

If Cuba's vaccines are working & Pfizer isn't, we should be able to dump Pfizer & use the Cuban vaccines, right?

Well not quite. The Powers would never let us.

I think read a story recently where the Congo threw a bunch of Astra Zeneca vaccines in the dump because nobody wanted them.




Ah if life was that simple in the West eh?

 

[Admin.]

But doesn't Cuban Medicine make you transsexual?

 

[Lokmar]

What retard believes communist propaganda?

 

[LotusBud]

Cuba has always had a very good medical infrastructure.

 

[LotusBud]

Interesting Joe. I think the initial blood clot debacle put a lot of mistrust in the vaccines for many people. And the governments were basically willing to use people like me with that susceptibility as mere collateral damage. Two years later, it’s good to see more positivity with better vaccines available. Choice is everything really.

The problem in the Capitalist West is they are producing vaccines for profit. Whereas in Cuba they're being made for the common good. Whenever the motivation is profit, human life takes a back seat.

Damn. You sound like a dangerous socialist, Joe.

 

[Lokmar]

Cuba has always had a very good medical infrastructure.

Lady, you're stupid AF if you believe Cuba has a great covid vax. Just STFU already.

 

[The Prowler]

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Cuba’s home-grown vaccines have massively cut covid-19 cases
Four months after hospitals collapsed in Cuba due to skyrocketing covid-19 case numbers, the country has rolled out its own vaccines and cases are down to 5 for every 100,000 people

HEALTH December 23, 2021 15:26
By Luke Taylor

- Cuba is preparing to give the green light in a few days to one of its coronavirus vaccines, the first created in Latin America and a hope for the region facing a new wave of the pandemic.
Abdala is one of Cuba’s covid-19 vaccines

Four months after Cuba reported the world’s highest number of daily covid-19 infections per capita, and more than 9000 cases a day, it has driven the incidence of new cases down to double digits with its own vaccines.

The island reported 61 new daily infections on 21 December – 0.54 for every 100,000 people – as cases declined for the fourth consecutive month

It is too early to tell. They just came out of their first wave in late October.

I will pick 5 random US states and look at when they came out of wave 1 and started wave 2...

New York...early May 2020, early November 2020....6 months

Missouri...late May 2020, late July 2020....2 months

Florida...late August 2020, late October 2020...2 months

California....early October 2020, early December 2020....2 months

Illinois...early July 2020, early November 2020....4 months

Two months is not long to know that another wave is not coming. Look at Israel this year after getting vaxxed; 4 months and everything looked good, then another wave of deaths.

 

[Joe]

Interesting Joe. I think the initial blood clot debacle put a lot of mistrust in the vaccines for many people. And the governments were basically willing to use people like me with that susceptibility as mere collateral damage. Two years later, it’s good to see more positivity with better vaccines available. Choice is everything really.

The problem in the Capitalist West is they are producing vaccines for profit. Whereas in Cuba they're being made for the common good. Whenever the motivation is profit, human life takes a back seat.

Damn. You sound like a dangerous socialist, Joe.

I think Canada has followed the Cuban model somewhat. The Canadian government funded a private company Medicago to develop a plant based vaccine.

Is that what they call PPP? A public private partnership? They are not listed on a stock exchange. So the motive is less profit-based & more in the public good. Unlike Pfizer & the others that are traded on the stock exchange and are much more money driven. Hence the possibility for collusion and corruption are greater.

 

[Dove]

Cuba has always had a very good medical infrastructure.

That's not what I've heard from people who came here from Cuba.

 

[SHAMPAIN]

Cuba has always had a very good medical infrastructure.

We've been through this already about Cuba... Nobody's buying it Lotus...

 

[Dove]

Interesting Joe. I think the initial blood clot debacle put a lot of mistrust in the vaccines for many people. And the governments were basically willing to use people like me with that susceptibility as mere collateral damage. Two years later, it’s good to see more positivity with better vaccines available. Choice is everything really.

The problem in the Capitalist West is they are producing vaccines for profit. Whereas in Cuba they're being made for the common good. Whenever the motivation is profit, human life takes a back seat.

Damn. You sound like a dangerous socialist, Joe.

In he doesnt. Not at all. You dont have to be a socailist to not trust corporations who are solely concerned with profit in the medical/pharmaceutical feild.

We have socailism in the US and its caused quality of everything to decline. If prices were reasonable this wouldnt be an issue.

Looking at this and thinking the solution is getting rid of capitalism doesnt make sense. Lowering prices does make sense.

 

[Dove]

Cuba has always had a very good medical infrastructure.

We've been through this already about Cuba... Nobodies buying it Lotus...

We have people in the US who got out of Cuba and they openly talk about this and talk about the oppression and poverty. They dont support socailism.

But we have people here who have been so romanced by socailism/communism they absolutely refuse to hear anything negative about it. They blame every problem on capitalism.

It's like a lot of them dont seem to understand what capitalism even is. And it's very difficult to impossible to have a convo with them to even understand what they are thinking.

Like they claim they want M4A, list off some issues they think would be solved by M4A(issues which are debatable and could have more than 1 cause. Like the general health of Americans....its not all caused by lack of access. A lot is lack of compliance and poor health decisions and socialized health care wont matter here). If you ask them who is going to oversee this or what could happen when you give corrupt people more money and control...they flat out avoid that.

I dont think people who support it have thought it through and that's why instead of discussing it they get combative and angry.

Anytime we make a very life changing decision it's so important to go through all the good parts and go through the bad parts and be willing to compromise. They wont do that. It's entirely every single problem is because of evil capitalism and socailism/communism is our perfect savoir. That sort of thinking alone is irrational.

So they want to radically change the country, alter everyones life...completely disregard millions of people who dont want the country changed in that way(while demonizing them as stupid and/or heartless.. ignoring their valid concerns) and then just ignore all the fall out. Because "everyone will be covered". It wont matter that care declines and that people will be waiting months and even years for care.

Their attitude towards it scares me. Seriously. The government didnt want Cubans coming here....because they know Cubans hate socailism and wont support it and it will ruin the big pander dems/progs politicains are depending on.

 

[SHAMPAIN]

Cuba has always had a very good medical infrastructure.

We've been through this already about Cuba... Nobodies buying it Lotus...

We have people in the US who got out of Cuba and they openly talk about this and talk about the oppression and poverty. They dont support socailism.

But we have people here who have been so romanced by socailism/communism they absolutely refuse to hear anything negative about it. They blame every problem on capitalism.

It's like a lot of them dont seem to understand what capitalism even is. And it's very difficult to impossible to have a convo with them to even understand what they are thinking.

Like they claim they want M4A, list off some issues they think would be solved by M4A(issues which are debatable and could have more than 1 cause. Like the general health of Americans....its not all caused by lack of access. A lot is lack of compliance and poor health decisions and socialized health care wont matter here). If you ask them who is going to oversee this or what could happen when you give corrupt people more money and control...they flat out avoid that.

I dont think people who support it have thought it through and that's why instead of discussing it they get combative and angry.

Anytime we make a very life changing decision it's so important to go through all the good parts and go through the bad parts and be willing to compromise. They wont do that. It's entirely every single problem is because of evil capitalism and socailism/communism is our perfect savoir. That sort of thinking alone is irrational.

So they want to radically change the country, alter everyones life...completely disregard millions of people who dont want the country changed in that way(while demonizing them as stupid and/or heartless.. ignoring their valid concerns) and then just ignore all the fall out. Because "everyone will be covered". It wont matter that care declines and that people will be waiting months and even years for care.

Their attitude towards it scares me. Seriously. The government didnt want Cubans coming here....because they know Cubans hate socailism and wont support it and it will ruin the big pander dems/progs politicains are depending on.

Yeah Cuba is a terrible example of success lol

 

[Dove]

Cuba has always had a very good medical infrastructure.

We've been through this already about Cuba... Nobodies buying it Lotus...

We have people in the US who got out of Cuba and they openly talk about this and talk about the oppression and poverty. They dont support socailism.

But we have people here who have been so romanced by socailism/communism they absolutely refuse to hear anything negative about it. They blame every problem on capitalism.

It's like a lot of them dont seem to understand what capitalism even is. And it's very difficult to impossible to have a convo with them to even understand what they are thinking.

Like they claim they want M4A, list off some issues they think would be solved by M4A(issues which are debatable and could have more than 1 cause. Like the general health of Americans....its not all caused by lack of access. A lot is lack of compliance and poor health decisions and socialized health care wont matter here). If you ask them who is going to oversee this or what could happen when you give corrupt people more money and control...they flat out avoid that.

I dont think people who support it have thought it through and that's why instead of discussing it they get combative and angry.

Anytime we make a very life changing decision it's so important to go through all the good parts and go through the bad parts and be willing to compromise. They wont do that. It's entirely every single problem is because of evil capitalism and socailism/communism is our perfect savoir. That sort of thinking alone is irrational.

So they want to radically change the country, alter everyones life...completely disregard millions of people who dont want the country changed in that way(while demonizing them as stupid and/or heartless.. ignoring their valid concerns) and then just ignore all the fall out. Because "everyone will be covered". It wont matter that care declines and that people will be waiting months and even years for care.

Their attitude towards it scares me. Seriously. The government didnt want Cubans coming here....because they know Cubans hate socailism and wont support it and it will ruin the big pander dems/progs politicains are depending on.

Yeah Cuba is a terrible example of success lol

People who want to make America more socailist blame the embargo

Really think about that......lol.

I guess if went full on socailist we would rely on China the way Cuba relies on the US? If we can break their country by that.....that should tell us something.

America could be more self sustaining.

 

[Seamajor]

Cuba has always had a very good medical infrastructure.

My Doc here is a Cuban. Completed Med. school in Cuba. Likes his Rum too.

 

[Joe]

In he doesnt. Not at all. You dont have to be a socailist to not trust corporations who are solely concerned with profit in the medical/pharmaceutical feild.

We have socailism in the US and its caused quality of everything to decline. If prices were reasonable this wouldnt be an issue.

Looking at this and thinking the solution is getting rid of capitalism doesnt make sense. Lowering prices does make sense.

The point of the articles are to demonstrate how little choice we really have in a supposedly free market system masquerading around as 'Capitalism'. Ie - why does the establishment keep pushing Pfizer upon us when it's becoming increasingly evident that there may be better and safer alternatives out there? If the Cuban vaccines prove successful, do you think the typical American will have access to them? I doubt it.

And what about the American vaccine Novavax? How come it hasn't been approved yet? Feedback/Reviews indicate it's quite a good vaccine, possibly much better than Pfizer.

Or is this just a case of Pfizer & their friends wanting to milk the cow to max out their profits before they even allow the likes of Novavax to enter the market after 5 years or so?

We think we got a 'free enterprise' Capitalist system in the West but evidently we don't. That's why the idea alone of Cuba making its own vaccines & out shining Pfizer is so dangerous to them. Cuban vaccines are an existential threat. Because instead of using them people will seek alternatives. Can't have that now can we? That would offer greater choice.

That would be a threat to democracy & 'capitalism'.

 

[Lokmar]

In he doesnt. Not at all. You dont have to be a socailist to not trust corporations who are solely concerned with profit in the medical/pharmaceutical feild.

We have socailism in the US and its caused quality of everything to decline. If prices were reasonable this wouldnt be an issue.

Looking at this and thinking the solution is getting rid of capitalism doesnt make sense. Lowering prices does make sense.

The point of the articles are to demonstrate how little choice we really have in a supposedly free market system masquerading around as 'Capitalism'. Ie - why does the establishment keep pushing Pfizer upon us when it's becoming increasingly evident that there may be better and safer alternatives out there? If the Cuban vaccines prove successful, do you think the typical American will have access to them? I doubt it.

And what about the American vaccine Novavax? How come it hasn't been approved yet? Feedback/Reviews indicate it's quite a good vaccine, possibly much better than Pfizer.

Or is this just a case of Pfizer & their friends wanting to milk the cow to max out their profits before they even allow the likes of Novavax to enter the market after 5 years or so?

We think we got a 'free enterprise' Capitalist system in the West but evidently we don't. That's why the idea alone of Cuba making its own vaccines & out shining Pfizer is so dangerous to them. Cuban vaccines are an existential threat. Because instead of using them people will seek alternatives. Can't have that now can we? That would offer greater choice.

That would be a threat to democracy & 'capitalism'.

Hey, dumbass....."Cuba allegedly has a superior vax".......most people SHOULD see this as a punch line.

 

[Dove]

In he doesnt. Not at all. You dont have to be a socailist to not trust corporations who are solely concerned with profit in the medical/pharmaceutical feild.

We have socailism in the US and its caused quality of everything to decline. If prices were reasonable this wouldnt be an issue.

Looking at this and thinking the solution is getting rid of capitalism doesnt make sense. Lowering prices does make sense.

The point of the articles are to demonstrate how little choice we really have in a supposedly free market system masquerading around as 'Capitalism'. Ie - why does the establishment keep pushing Pfizer upon us when it's becoming increasingly evident that there may be better and safer alternatives out there? If the Cuban vaccines prove successful, do you think the typical American will have access to them? I doubt it.

And what about the American vaccine Novavax? How come it hasn't been approved yet? Feedback/Reviews indicate it's quite a good vaccine, possibly much better than Pfizer.

Or is this just a case of Pfizer & their friends wanting to milk the cow to max out their profits before they even allow the likes of Novavax to enter the market after 5 years or so?

We think we got a 'free enterprise' Capitalist system in the West but evidently we don't. That's why the idea alone of Cuba making its own vaccines & out shining Pfizer is so dangerous to them. Cuban vaccines are an existential threat. Because instead of using them people will seek alternatives. Can't have that now can we? That would offer greater choice.

That would be a threat to democracy & 'capitalism'.

That should be your clue that what is being called Capitalism isnt actually capitalism and the problem is the LACK of free market :)

 

[Oerdin]

Much of the reason why it fell in Cuba is the same reason it fell at the same time in Florida. It is seasonal based upon human behavior and when they are indoors or out doors.

 

[Lokmar]

Much of the reason why it fell in Cuba is the same reason it fell at the same time in Florida. It is seasonal based upon human behavior and when they are indoors or out doors.

Well, this is for sure:
I'd sooner believe covid in Cuba is down because they're killing everyone covid positive than I'd believe its because anything to do with their medicine!!!!

 

[Joe]

Hey, dumbass....."Cuba allegedly has a superior vax".......most people SHOULD see this as a punch line.

...the country of the vaccine's origin isn't the point.

It just illustrates that products which could be beneficial to American/Canadian citizens don't find their way here due to politics.

The vaccine could be from an America friendly country like Costa Rica or Chile, but the Powers that be might not let it come in for poitical or corporate reasons. They simply don't want it to upset the established players.

You should also ask yourself why Pfizer products always gets the go ahead/green light without proper review no questions asked while smaller American companies such as Novavax get held back. And it could actually be for the benefit of US citizens to receive an alternative to companies such as Pfizer.

From what I've heard, Novavax is a good vaccine.
It's had good reviews with fewer mishaps and adverse reactions than Pfizer, Astra Zeneca and Moderna.




Question is, how come we never see it?
We've been hearing about it for months, but mysteriously, it never gets approved or released for public use.

And then the line which we are fed is, "Oh it will probably be released in some remote 3rd world country before it arrives in the United States."

...even tho it's an American company.

 

[The Prowler]

Question is, how come we never see it?

That is a good question, Joe.

I suppose it could be, as I suspect you suspect, that Pfizer has some political influence.

Or, it could be that there are other Powers That Be that have significant influence and even control over many countries, and they also controlled the development of the vaccines?

Let me ask you a question: Why in the history of viral outbreaks have we never had an mRNA vaccine before, but with this viral outbreak we have several?

Could there be something more sinister at work here? Depopulation? Could these vaccines actually have been designed to hurt people? Kill people?

Is it possible that the Novavax vaccine does not have the same potential to kill, so it was torpedoed?