Dems vote for $2000 stimulus checks

[Dr Bill Jiden]

Look who says they want monthly welfare checks for the rest of their lives. How unsurprising.

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I agree with you, we should give more money to the billionaire class.

 

[Oerdin]

Do you understand how taxes work? Because the government doesn't "give money" to tax payers when they reduce tax rates. They just steal slightly less.

 

[Seamajor]

Trump repealed my fat idiot governors declaration that gun stores were non essential. Feel better, semenmonkeydouchebag?

I never feel good about anything he does or says. Hey, do you know the competition date for the wall?

 

[Seamajor]

Thank God for President TRUMP who fights for we, the people!

Is your post serious? What’s he done for you, other than to pick your pockets. I’ve asked you this a dozen times. What about it?

He entertains me. First time ever that one of them has done that. TRUMP has been must-see for 5 years now.

So you perceive him as an entertainer? Gosh, you are smart. I wonder if the 344,030 covid dead feel the same way. Do you enjoy his clown outfit and his make up?

Dead Americans are hilarious! Hardy, har, har...

Apperently they’re like dead soldiers. Suckers and losers.

 

[Dr Bill Jiden]

Do you understand how taxes work? Because the government doesn't "give money" to tax payers when they reduce tax rates. They just steal slightly less.

Of course I do. The government lets them keep more of their money and shifts the burden onto the middle class.

How is it stealing? Are you into freeloading? You don't have to love paying taxes to know that they are a necessary part of living in a developed nation.

 

[Dr Bill Jiden]

Thank God for President TRUMP who fights for we, the people!

Is your post serious? What’s he done for you, other than to pick your pockets. I’ve asked you this a dozen times. What about it?

He entertains me. First time ever that one of them has done that. TRUMP has been must-see for 5 years now.

So you perceive him as an entertainer? Gosh, you are smart. I wonder if the 344,030 covid dead feel the same way. Do you enjoy his clown outfit and his make up?

Dead Americans are hilarious! Hardy, har, har...

Apperently they’re like dead soldiers. Suckers and losers.

Seems like just don't matter to some people.

 

[Oerdin]

Do you understand how taxes work? Because the government doesn't "give money" to tax payers when they reduce tax rates. They just steal slightly less.

Of course I do. The government lets them keep more of their money and shifts the burden onto the middle class.

How is it stealing? Are you into freeloading? You don't have to love paying taxes to know that they are a necessary part of living in a developed nation.

Typical nonsense. Many, many, many states some how get by with taking far less in taxes from their populous compared to my home state (California) yet some how they thrive. There roads are better, their schools aren't complete shit, police actually arrest and jail violent criminals, and in short they just function better. So stuff your nonsense about "burden shifting" when really what California desperately needs is to cut wasteful spending and deregulate as much as possible.

Virtually all the tax increases they have passed in the last 20 years went to one thing: Massive corrupt pensions for government employees because unions own politics in California. A friend of mine's father is a retired California Department of Corrections officer and his pension is $165,000 per year and he can even still work part time adding another $80,000-$90,000 per year to his take home pay. That is up to $250,000 per year.

Cap all government pensions so that they legally cannot pay more than the median income ($65,000 per year), eliminate all the union requirements on state funding for construction projects (you don't need to pay someone $30 per hour to push a broom, also I worked on several where I got paid around $80 per hour when in the private sector that job gets paid $20-$25 per hour), then I might consider my tax money not being wasted. Until then the answer is no.

The waste, corruption, and abuse is just staggering and it is a large part of what is causing California to become a shithole.

 

[Oerdin]

The cost to build a single one bedroom unit of "affordable housing" by the government in San Francisco is $750,000. In L.A. is is $650,000. The private sector routinely gets it done for about $80,000. In most states $200,000 will get you a nice SFH. The corruption, waste, fraud, and over regulation (mostly to achieve those first three things) just strangles everything the government touches in this state. So, no, paying ever more taxes and getting absolutely nothing in return is not the answer, it is the problem.

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[Dr Bill Jiden]

Do you understand how taxes work? Because the government doesn't "give money" to tax payers when they reduce tax rates. They just steal slightly less.

Of course I do. The government lets them keep more of their money and shifts the burden onto the middle class.

How is it stealing? Are you into freeloading? You don't have to love paying taxes to know that they are a necessary part of living in a developed nation.

Typical nonsense. Many, many, many states some how get buy with taking far less in taxes from their populous compared to my home state (California) yet some how they thrive. There roads are better, their schools aren't complete shit, police actually arrest and jail violent criminals, and in short they just function better. So stuff your nonsense about "burden shifting" when really what California desperately needs is to cut wasteful spending and regulate as much as possible.

Virtually all the tax increases they have passed in the last 20 years went to one thing: Massive corrupt pensions for government employees because unions own politics in California. A friend of mines father is a retired California Department of Corrections officer and his pension is $165,000 per year and he can even still work part time adding another $80,000-$90,000 per year to his take home pay. That is up to $250,000 per year.

Cap all government pensions so that they legally cannot pay more than the median income ($65,000 per year), eliminate all the union requirements on state funding for constructure projects (you don't need to pay someone $30 per hour to push a broom, also I worked on several where I got paid around $80 per hour when in the private sector that job gets paid $20-$25 per hour), then I might consider my tax money not being wasted. Until then the answer is no.

The waste, corruption, and abuse is just staggering and it is a large part of what is causing California to become a shithole.

What does the State of California have to do with a "stimulus" from the Feds and taxation from the Feds?

Not a thing.

 

[Dr Bill Jiden]

The cost to build a single one bedroom unit of "affordable housing" by the government in San Francisco is $750,000. In L.A. is is $650,000. The private sector routinely gets it done for about $80,000. In most states $200,000 will get you a nice SFH. The corruption, waste, fraud, and over regulation (mostly to achieve those first three things) just strangles everything the government touches in this state. So, no, paying ever more taxes and getting absolutely nothing in return is not the answer, it is the problem.

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California may be the topic you want to discuss, but this conversation has been about the federal stimulus. It has jack shit to do with California.

 

[Oerdin]

There was no new discussion on that topic and you brought this up. Though I note you now suddenly want to drop it as you are having difficulty dealing with the facts.

Here is something I saw on another web forum about this topic:


From The Sacramento Bee. Supposedly this will be the last of the gravy train, if you read the article.

"A former top investment official at CalPERS received the largest pension the retirement system has ever paid last year, according to Transparent California and reviews of pension data by The Sacramento Bee.

Curtis Ishii, 64, of Sacramento, retired from the California Public Employees’ Retirement System as its managing investment director for fixed income in July 2018.

Last year, Ishii received $418,608 in pension payments, according to Transparent California, a website that tracks public pensions and salaries. His pension topped Transparent California’s list of 2019 CalPERS pensions, according to a news release."

 

[Oerdin]

But Bill says I need to pay more taxes for more bloated payouts like that? Oh, and given that Pelosi and company literally spent half a year blocking any new stimulus (just to try to harm the economy before the election) and demanding that the feds bailout pension funds in blue states, which are an absolute fiscal disaster of the Dems own making, it is part of the stimulus discussion.

 

[RAVEN]

How bout this? Whatever I receive, I'm going to be thankful for.. no matter what the amount. :Agree1: