I’m no longer obeying the law

[Lily]

Are you a law abiding American citizen or not?

You should be identifying as a US citizen and standing up to illegal foreigners.

Of course I am a law abiding citizen.

I do identify as an American. I don't feel threatened by hard workers. No one, not one of you at this forum could do the work they do, not day in and day out.

Not even close.

 

[Frood]

Of course I am a law abiding citizen.

I do identify as an American. I don't feel threatened by hard workers. No one, not one of you at this forum could do the work they do, not day in and day out.

Not even close.

I grew up doing farm work and processing plant work with latinos. They're no more special than anybody else but that's beside the point.

Criminals don't get a pass.

 

[Lily]

I grew up doing farm work and processing plant work with latinos. They're no more special than anybody else but that's beside the point.

Criminals don't get a pass.

Anyone can say anything on the internet. I don't believe you. You have done "everything" even run a MNC...
I'm sure you prescribe medications, are a civil engineer, a master computer scientist, etc.

 

[Frood]

Anyone can say anything on the internet. I don't believe you. You have done "everything" even run a MNC...
I'm sure you prescribe medications, are a civil engineer, a master computer scientist, etc.

1. I've never been a CEO, CFO, president, or vice president of a MNC and never said I have.
2. I'm not qualified to prescribe medications but self dose myself for antibiotics occasionally.
3. I'm not an engineer but have done engineering work before in a niche industry, roadworks, and fabrication in workshops (farm industries).
4. I'm pretty ordinary with computer related science.
5. As a preteen up to 18 yo I did farm work, picking, et cetera through the school year and worked 12 hour night shifts during summer vacation at produce processing plants.
6. In my early 20's I worked in HR for a temp agency and vetted dodgy SS cards, birth certificates, and migrant docs. At least half of the applicants had no legal right to work.
7. I've worn many hats, often simultaneously. I make no apologies for stating these truths even if you refuse to accept them.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

As long as ICE doesn't deport my lawn guy, Juan Pablo, it's all good.

 

[The New Holliday]

They need to have a worker status created for them.

. Yes, their needs to be an actual workable system, ensuring they have worker protections, pay taxes and into SS etc, but aren't having citizen status other than through existing avenues and they are tracked and leave when not working. Also, they should not be in direct competition with American labor which only serves to lower wages (corporate welfare). In other words they can not be offered any job an American does want or is capable of doing like it or not - no social services/welfare to people who are too proud to do a job they are capable of doing.

 

[Garraty_47]

The first real job I recall having was at a horse stable up the road from where I lived. I was too young to legally be an actual employee so got paid with personal checks from the stable owner. Given my youth and inexperience what I mostly did was shovel a lot of manure and sawdust. It wasn't so bad, really, except for one goat who loved to sneak up and head butt me when I wasn't looking. I never smacked the infernal creature with a shovel but I was sorely tempted more than once.

Good times.

 

[The New Holliday]

As long as ICE doesn't deport my lawn guy, Juan Pablo, it's all good.

. You know, seriously Ragnar, some people who aren't lazy do that stuff themselves and enjoy it. Take prided and value the work itself.

 

[Lily]

. Yes, their needs to be an actual workable system, ensuring they have worker protections, pay taxes and into SS etc, but aren't having citizen status other than through existing avenues and they are tracked and leave when not working. Also, they should not be in direct competition with American labor which only serves to lower wages (corporate welfare). In other words they can not be offered any job an American does want or is capable of doing like it or not - no social services/welfare to people who are too proud to do a job they are capable of doing.

Well, I can't agree with everything you posted, but if they are here with a legal status, they can join American workers in fighting for better wages.

Americans really ought to be training for higher tech jobs...and that is also policy that can be legislated.

 

[Lily]

. You know, seriously Ragnar, some people who aren't lazy do that stuff themselves and enjoy it. Take prided and value the work itself.

We do our own yard work. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[The New Holliday]

Well, I can't agree with everything you posted, but if they are here with a legal status, they can join American workers in fighting for better wages.

Americans really ought to be training for higher tech jobs...and that is also policy that can be legislated.

I know Americans who are physically fit, on welfare, but couldn't tech their way out of a paper bag (even if trained).
. Fact is everyone can not be an astronaut or president. (okay, I had to revise that last based on current events) Some can be no more than a general laborer (that should not be taken as disparaging), all that might be asked is that they, like all others, be the best one they can be.
No, the fact is that we have a shitload of people on welfare that don't need to be there - many cases do I know of.
We have many kids with education who sit at home (mom and dad's) playing games because they can't get the job they deserve. Part of the problem is that too many cheap foreign tech people are brought in, and part that we don't, as you say, train people for demand positions (tweek training) Obama said his advisors said we couldn't fill tech positions, others said we had a surplus of engineers who only needed specialized training - which I can attest to. Foreign labor is mostly not more than corporate welfare. Conservatards luv luv luv that cheap labor.

 

[Frood]

Conservatives and Liberals alike...anybody who profits from illegal workers. The spin is just different.

 

[The New Holliday]

Conservatives and Liberals alike...anybody who profits from illegal workers. The spin is just different.

No, I say that greed and materialism are conservative cornerstones. I don't use the terms as most do.
...a Liberal as I know it would not be solely concerned with stuffing their pockets at the expense of (by exploitation and oppression) of other people.

PS: and if you say Democrats do that, then I'll remind you that I refer to them collectively as "the Other Conservatives".

 

[Frood]

No, I say that greed and materialism are conservative cornerstones. I don't use the terms as most do.
...a Liberal as I know it would not be solely concerned with stuffing their pockets at the expense of (by exploitation and oppression) of other people.

You're tripping...

Greed and materialism is also rife in the Left.

Power corrupts and people always gravitate towards the biggest piece of pie they can get.

 

[The New Holliday]

You're tripping...

Greed and materialism is also rife in the Left.

Power corrupts and people always gravitate towards the biggest piece of pie they can get.

You may have missed my edit.
"The Left" is one of those silly ill defined terms. Read what I wrote. If power corrupts, that corruption is conservatism.

 

[Frood]

You may have missed my edit.
"The Left" is one of those silly ill defined terms. Read what I wrote. If power corrupts, that corruption is conservatism.

You're calling Bernie Sanders, AOC, Nancy Pelosi, the Clintons, the Obamas, and most current and past members of congress all conservatives?

 

[Reggie_Essent]

. You know, seriously Ragnar, some people who aren't lazy do that stuff themselves and enjoy it. Take prided and value the work itself.

I used to love doing my yard work, but as time has worn on I just haven't the energy to get up on it.

Plus, Juan Pablo works cheap. ;)

 

[The New Holliday]

You're calling Bernie Sanders, AOC, Nancy Pelosi, the Clintons, the Obamas, and most current and past members of congress all conservatives?

With the possible/probably exception of Bernie...Yes.

 

[The New Holliday]

I used to love doing my yard work, but as time has worn on I just haven't the energy to get up on it.

Plus, Juan Pablo works cheap. ;)

Try Sativa rather than Indica.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

You may have missed my edit.
"The Left" is one of those silly ill defined terms. Read what I wrote. If power corrupts, that corruption is conservatism.

Have I mentioned that you're clearly mentally ill?

 

[Frood]

With the possible/probably exception of Bernie...Yes.

Owns multiple homes, has had book deals, worth millions, doesn't walk to the talk though. When he was all pro illegals and their housing, he didn't like it when people suggested he lead by example and house illegals himself.

Yup, by your logic..... Bernie is a conservative too.

 

[The New Holliday]

Have I mentioned that you're clearly mentally ill?

No, you've been too busy being wrong about other things.

 

[The New Holliday]

Owns multiple homes, has had book deals, worth millions, doesn't walk to the talk though. When he was all pro illegals and their housing, he didn't like it when people suggested he lead by example and house illegals himself.

Yup, by your logic..... Bernie is a conservative too.

I said probable, not absolutely. Furthermore, no person is devoid of corruption at some time and in some way.
.We all have those weaknesses, need to notice them and not support them.
Bernie, btw, has moved from his independent/Liberal positions the closer he has drawn to the Dem party.
You can look up his positions on immigration of earlier time and his position on guns also - both of which were closer to mine. He's quieted down on both in recent times.
As far as a person having a little money, I have no objection except in the way wealth may be used, for example to buy government because...
...Yes Virginia, there is a Deep State.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

No, you've been too busy being wrong about other things.

OK. I'm pointing it out now.

 

[The New Holliday]

OK. I'm pointing it out now.

So you have free time to be wrong. Good for you.
. Seriously - try the Sativa...you'll thank me later. It stimulates mental processes.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

So you have free time to be wrong. Good for you.
. Seriously - try the Sativa...you'll thank me later. It stimulates mental processes.

Why would I bother when I have you dullards to poke with a pointy stick?

Say, did you ever see that old 1950s movie The Good Humor Man? For some reason when you expound on your weird political delusions I think of that old movie.

 

[The Associate]

They need to have a worker status created for them.

There is one. Come legally. They have a pathway and they intentionally refuse to work through it.

 

[The New Holliday]

Say, did you ever see that old 1950s movie The Good Humor Man?

No I have not but will look for it. Sounds good.
.I do prefer the Hollywood of the 30s 40s 50s to the absolute shit they crank out today.

..but I know conservatards love the modern ones because...well, they're all action, violent, things go KABOOM! and
....they're shit.

 

[The Associate]

Funny. According to Lily, "her people" (not American citizens) don't have to follow the rules.

Of course, she won't actually come right out and post that, but the inference from the OhNoNo emoji is unmistakable.

 

[Lily]

Funny. According to Lily, "her people" (not American citizens) don't have to follow the rules.

Of course, she won't actually come right out and post that, but the inference from the OhNoNo emoji is unmistakable.

GFY