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I am much more disturbed by the work visas they give to foreign tech people because the foreign tech folks will take much lower wages. THOSE are the people actually taking American jobs, and they are legal.

When I was in the car biz in Portland I personally sold 3 cars to 3 Israeli nationals working temp engineering jobs at Intel out in Beaverton/Hillsboro in the 90's

 

[Holliday 3000]

I am much more disturbed by the work visas they give to foreign tech people because the foreign tech folks will take much lower wages. THOSE are the people actually taking American jobs, and they are legal.

Absolutely, all the biggies like Gates and Musk have been advocating for the cheap foreign labor, and as I have always pointed out - all immigration at this point (and for a long time past) is about wage suppression. Of course if MAGA and contard heros like Gates and Musk want it then it's good, if a local landscaper wants it, it's bad.
..and no doubt you recall, the conservative corporatist Obama, was letting the tech, and manufacturing industries import as many cheap laborers as they could want.
It's always about the money.
Who can reasonably argue that 330 million people just isn't enough to keep a country running, and we simply can't educate our own people?

Pure bullshit on the part of economic conservatives (to be distinguished from brownie hating social conservatives).

 

[LotusBud]

Absolutely, all the biggies like Gates and Musk have been advocating for the cheap foreign labor, and as I have always pointed out - all immigration at this point (and for a long time past) is about wage suppression. Of course if MAGA and contard heros like Gates and Musk want it then it's good, if a local landscaper wants it, it's bad.
..and no doubt you recall, the conservative corporatist Obama, was letting the tech, and manufacturing industries import as many cheap laborers as they could want.
It's always about the money.
Who can reasonably argue that 330 million people just isn't enough to keep a country running, and we simply can't educate our own people?

Pure bullshit on the part of economic conservatives (to be distinguished from brownie hating social conservatives).

Yes. I agree. I just do not agree with persecuting low income, desperate, economic refugees.

BTW, I was not an Obama fan.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

When I was in the car biz in Portland I personally sold 3 cars to 3 Israeli nationals working temp engineering jobs at Intel out in Beaverton/Hillsboro in the 90's

No one gives a fuck that you ripped off three Jews selling them used cars.

Who can reasonably argue that 330 million people just isn't enough to keep a country running, and we simply can't educate our own people?

Yes, we have an education problem, as in the teachers unions have failed to properly educate our children. Perhaps we should ask @LotusBud why Leftist "teachers" have failed so miserably?

Yes. I agree. I just do not agree with persecuting low income, desperate, economic refugees.

BTW, I was not an Obama fan.

So, address Holliday's point, Miss Lotus. Why have you Leftist Trash failed so badly in properly educating our children?

 

[Holliday 3000]

So, address Holliday's point, Miss Lotus. Why have you Leftist Trash failed so badly in properly educating our children?

You know, maybe Lotus could give you some reading lessons.
. hThat wasn't what I wrote.
It's all bullshit that we don't educate people, it's just a convenience to say we haven't the educated people we need so the argument can be made that we need to import workers.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

You know, maybe Lotus could give you some reading lessons.
. That wasn't what I wrote.
It's all bullshit that we don't educate people, it's just a convenience to say we haven't the educated people we need so the argument can be made that we need to import workers.

Bullshit and you know it. We have the dumbest students in the world and it's the result of the Leftists that have infected our educational institutions. I blame Leftists like our Lotus for our students being so ignorant and stupid.

 

[LotusBud]

No one gives a fuck that you ripped off three Jews selling them used cars.


Yes, we have an education problem, as in the teachers unions have failed to properly educate our children. Perhaps we should ask @LotusBud why Leftist "teachers" have failed so miserably?


So, address Holliday's point, Miss Lotus. Why have you Leftist Trash failed so badly in properly educating our children?

You're too stupid for me to waste any bandwidth on, whatsoever. Later, pal.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

You're too stupid for me to waste any bandwidth on, whatsoever. Later, pal.

Sure thing, Lotus. Can you explain how it is that American students were number one in the world when Jimmy Carter started the Department of Education and filled it with Leftist Scum in 1971, but here we are today and American students are number 40 or 50 in the entire world?

I know you can't explain it because you're fucking dumb, but it is the truth. Our failing educational system is the direct result of you Leftists running the show. That's gotta make you at least slightly embarrassed.

 

[Holliday 3000]

American students are number 40 or 50 in the entire world?

The United States ranks around 10th to 12th overall for national education systems, though performance varies significantly depending on the subject and the specific international assessment. [

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• Reading: The U.S. ranks 6th among OECD member countries (and 9th globally out of all participating countries), scoring well above the international average.
• Science: The U.S. ranks 13th among OECD members (and 16th globally), also scoring above the average.
• Math: The U.S. lags behind, ranking 28th among OECD members (and 34th globally), falling slightly below the OECD average. [
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• K-12 Inconsistency: According to analysis on
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• Spending vs. Outcome: The U.S. spends more money per K-12 student than almost any other country, but faces persistent gaps in equity, consistency, and math achievement compared to nations like Singapore, China, Finland, and South Korea. [
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Most Educated States (Golly, why are all those red states at the bottom)​

Overall Rank*	State	Total Score	Educational Attainment Rank	Quality of Education Rank
1	Massachusetts	78.41	1	4
2	Vermont	75.35	3	9
3	Maryland	74.01	4	3
4	Connecticut	69.83	7	6
5	Colorado	69.72	2	38
6	New Jersey	68.45	10	1
7	Virginia	67.50	6	11
8	New Hampshire	67.03	5	14
9	Minnesota	63.88	8	20
10	Washington	63.69	9	21
11	Utah	60.29	11	26
12	Maine	59.95	12	15
13	Rhode Island	58.93	21	2
14	Delaware	57.26	19	8
15	Illinois	56.41	16	17
16	New York	55.36	17	24
17	Oregon	55.34	13	41
18	Montana	54.13	14	43
19	Wisconsin	53.59	24	13
20	Pennsylvania	52.98	27	12
21	Florida	52.89	35	5
22	North Carolina	52.30	25	18
23	Hawaii	52.16	15	47
24	Kansas	51.28	18	44
25	Nebraska	50.92	20	39
26	Wyoming	50.75	23	37
27	Michigan	50.28	28	23
28	North Dakota	48.50	22	46
29	California	48.31	38	7
30	Georgia	48.07	30	25
31	Missouri	47.29	32	29
32	Iowa	47.02	33	30
33	South Dakota	46.98	31	32
34	Arizona	46.87	29	35
35	Ohio	46.81	36	19
36	Alaska	46.57	26	49
37	Idaho	46.39	34	33
38	South Carolina	44.71	37	27
39	Tennessee	43.21	40	16
40	Indiana	42.36	42	10
41	Texas	39.98	41	22
42	New Mexico	37.05	39	50
43	Alabama	35.73	44	31
44	Kentucky	34.71	45	28
45	Oklahoma	33.87	43	42
46	Nevada	33.01	46	36
47	Arkansas	29.84	47	34
48	Louisiana	28.13	48	40
49	Mississippi	26.00	49	48
50	West Virginia	24.35	50	45

..and again, so strange - all the red states at the bottom.

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The United States ranks around 10th to 12th overall for national education systems, though performance varies significantly depending on the subject and the specific international assessment. [

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• Reading: The U.S. ranks 6th among OECD member countries (and 9th globally out of all participating countries), scoring well above the international average.
• Science: The U.S. ranks 13th among OECD members (and 16th globally), also scoring above the average.
• Math: The U.S. lags behind, ranking 28th among OECD members (and 34th globally), falling slightly below the OECD average. [
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Strengths and Weaknesses

• Higher Education: The U.S. consistently leads the world in higher education quality, university research output, and top-ranked global universities. [
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• K-12 Inconsistency: According to analysis on
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• Spending vs. Outcome: The U.S. spends more money per K-12 student than almost any other country, but faces persistent gaps in equity, consistency, and math achievement compared to nations like Singapore, China, Finland, and South Korea. [
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Most Educated States (Golly, why are all those red states at the bottom)​

Overall Rank*	State	Total Score	Educational Attainment Rank	Quality of Education Rank
1	Massachusetts	78.41	1	4
2	Vermont	75.35	3	9
3	Maryland	74.01	4	3
4	Connecticut	69.83	7	6
5	Colorado	69.72	2	38
6	New Jersey	68.45	10	1
7	Virginia	67.50	6	11
8	New Hampshire	67.03	5	14
9	Minnesota	63.88	8	20
10	Washington	63.69	9	21
11	Utah	60.29	11	26
12	Maine	59.95	12	15
13	Rhode Island	58.93	21	2
14	Delaware	57.26	19	8
15	Illinois	56.41	16	17
16	New York	55.36	17	24
17	Oregon	55.34	13	41
18	Montana	54.13	14	43
19	Wisconsin	53.59	24	13
20	Pennsylvania	52.98	27	12
21	Florida	52.89	35	5
22	North Carolina	52.30	25	18
23	Hawaii	52.16	15	47
24	Kansas	51.28	18	44
25	Nebraska	50.92	20	39
26	Wyoming	50.75	23	37
27	Michigan	50.28	28	23
28	North Dakota	48.50	22	46
29	California	48.31	38	7
30	Georgia	48.07	30	25
31	Missouri	47.29	32	29
32	Iowa	47.02	33	30
33	South Dakota	46.98	31	32
34	Arizona	46.87	29	35
35	Ohio	46.81	36	19
36	Alaska	46.57	26	49
37	Idaho	46.39	34	33
38	South Carolina	44.71	37	27
39	Tennessee	43.21	40	16
40	Indiana	42.36	42	10
41	Texas	39.98	41	22
42	New Mexico	37.05	39	50
43	Alabama	35.73	44	31
44	Kentucky	34.71	45	28
45	Oklahoma	33.87	43	42
46	Nevada	33.01	46	36
47	Arkansas	29.84	47	34
48	Louisiana	28.13	48	40
49	Mississippi	26.00	49	48
50	West Virginia	24.35	50	45

..and again, so strange - all the red states at the bottom.

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You AI is lying to you. US students rank 40+ worldwide in dumbness, and it's all the fault of Leftist Vermin like our Lotus.

 

[Holliday 3000]

You AI is lying to you. US students rank 40+ worldwide in dumbness, and it's all the fault of Leftist Vermin like our Lotus.

Otay. If you say so.