Oh look, transwomen are raping women in jail...son of a bitch
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Sure, but I don't pursue anyone for any special attention. That's bizarre.
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Sorry Blurt.. It may be different where other people live, but where I live, the transgender community is accepted without hassle. That's what I have seen, personally, through work, shopping etc.. rarely a story around these parts where a trans has been attacked, been able to work.. stuff like that.. It may be different where you or others live, but not here from what I've seen. Edited to add.. and this holds true BEFORE Biden's policies
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I hear you, Raven. But I was talking historically. The world of transgender individuals didn't come into existence the moment Dustin Hoffman took a twirl as Tootsie, yanno?
The drag queens had to riot in the streets over fifty years ago in order to put a stop to their (and to gays, by the way) being silenced, canceled, beaten, fired, doxxed, and murdered. And it's in large part thanks to Stonewall that transfolk (and gays) can work, go shopping, and just fucking plain live without fear of being ended on a whim by some transphobic psycho, you feel me?
This being said, the world of transgender individuals predates even Stonewall by centuries, if not millenia.
So you'll have to forgive me if I have few tears to shed for someone with an obssessive hate-on for tranfolk who's wailing endlessly about her wholly manufactured and insignificant predicament.
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Much more important issues facing society, than 'petty' gender issues.
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I see what you are saying, Blurt. We are on 2 different pages it seems.. My views are based, I guess, on my lifetime.
I am extremely liberal with social issues. I have no problem with trans or any group for that matter. I believe that people need to feel comfortable in their own skin and be free to live how they want to without being discriminated against.
What I DO have a problem with, tho, is POLICY... Under Biden's policy, ANYONE that identifies as one sex or another has access to many privileges of the opposite sex. This poses a lot of problems, imo.. Not all people heading into bathrooms are trans.. ANY Tom, Dick or Harry pervert that wants to cop a look under a restroom stall or be in women's spaces are given the green light.. " yep, I identify as a woman" Okay!! See what I'm saying here? I honestly don't have a problem with a legit trans wanting to go into a restroom if they truly are living as a woman or man. Before Biden's policy, I'm guessing they would do that without a fuss being made. NOW.. ANYONE with any motive is allowed.. I hope this makes sense to you lol.
Also.. (and this one gets me most upset) Is that biological males are allowed to play women's sports :(. I don't give a fuck how my injections they take.. structurally they are still a man and are stripping women /girl athletes of their titles and ability to compete and win.. It's heartbreaking to me.. How to women stand a chance in sports?
Anyway.. those are my thoughts. I don't get heated over this as some do. I'm a pretty tolerant person by nature HAHA.. Just don't think we need a policy because it wasn't that big of a problem to begin with and now there are some that are taking advantage of it and people are getting hurt.
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Yeah I've said this a few times and went into what the problem is and what's happening.
If you dont submit to their gender beliefs they regard you as stupid, hateful, bigoted, uneducated
.....so on.
Blurt accused me of hating men because I've pointed out the fact that rape and violence against women and girls is something that happens.
Theyve taken a very ignorant and narrow minded stance and unless you agree with whatever they think you should agree with, regardless of how unreasonable, they just judge you very negatively and harshly.
These people didnt even care that a girl was anally raped in school and that the boy in a skirt who did it was allowed to go to another school in the district where he assaulted another girl.
Unless you support any man self identifying as a woman and go along with what is essentially religious cult beliefs about gender, they arent going to hear shit you say. You are transphobe and bigot. You typed out a very respectful post and made your points clear, and Admin "loled" your post.
It's a very deeply stunning lack of empathy. They genuinely do not care about the impact this has on women and girls. They dont care who gets hurt. Believe me....they would turn their heads from the harm and continue to demonize any women who speak out on behalf of their rights. Women are not allowed to say "no" anymore, and our rights are transphobic so.. here we are.
There are ways to deal with this issue while preserving the rights and protections of women but they arent having it. Its gotta be us against them. See how these divisions are forced and fueled? They make unreasonable demands and scream "bigot" or other hateful slurs at anyone who stands up for themselves.
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The only places where trans people are killed or attacked are mostly 3rd world areas and its because they are in high risk situations like prostitution.
The data shows women face far more violence than men who claim to be women.
Most violence against trans people comes from....men.
This is something MEN need to sort out. Women are not emotional support animals and we shouldnt be forced to sacrifice our rights and protections we have in place to protect us against violent men because.....men are violent.
They need to leave us the fuck out of it.
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Scroll through this Raven and see how these people talk about women and lesbians especailly
This is how they feel about women who believe they are more than an identity
Who the fuck feels safe with these psychos in our single sex spaces?
Blurt doesnt care what it's like to actually live being a biological women. He thinks worrying about our safety is misandry and he just cannot begin to relate. It's silly to him that women have to always be aware and careful. It's not like data supports womens concerns or anything.
He looks at the 3 transwomen who got murdered in places like Brazil. Men who identify as women need to come into our spaces to be protected from men.....but if we want to stay protected from men we are stupid haters.
Its SO fucked up when some asshole talks down to you when you are defending your own rights. Men can use their power and priviledge to invade what women fought for and demonize us for saying no.
This is how they feel about women who believe they are more than an identity
Who the fuck feels safe with these psychos in our single sex spaces?
Blurt doesnt care what it's like to actually live being a biological women. He thinks worrying about our safety is misandry and he just cannot begin to relate. It's silly to him that women have to always be aware and careful. It's not like data supports womens concerns or anything.
He looks at the 3 transwomen who got murdered in places like Brazil. Men who identify as women need to come into our spaces to be protected from men.....but if we want to stay protected from men we are stupid haters.
Its SO fucked up when some asshole talks down to you when you are defending your own rights. Men can use their power and priviledge to invade what women fought for and demonize us for saying no.
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Blurt has never talked down to me Dovey.. He's always been respectful... I gave my views to him and he can take it or leave it. Those were my thoughts.. MY OWN OPINION.. They may not be right, dunno? I know that I don't consider myself a transphobe, because I have no ill will against people living how they want to live.. I see many trans individuals where I live. I guess because I live so close to a university.. and it seems the norm to me.. I don't look twice.. just people. My concern is strictly policy.. nothing more.
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You havent disagreed with him firmly enough yet.
He isnt capable of having any meaningful conversations about this topic with out become shitty and condescending.
I've tried more than once, he just cannot do it without labeling and getting butt hurt salty. It offends him that women would have strong stances on issues that directly impact women, I guess.
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My guess is that you are more passionate about this issue than I am and you may come across as attacking instead of discussing.. and vice versa. Blurt would have to answer about the hostility. See? There's a reason I don't hang out in politics much.. I want to like people outside of their political beliefs :D
Great post, Raven.
You make some good points. In a very measured, reasoned, and non-shrieking way, I might add.
Yes, fiddling with policymaking in an attempt to hang with the times is an activity fraught with peril. As even any forum admin will tell you, you can tweak the rules all you want but you'll never, ever manage to please everyone. So, then, should policymakers and lawmakers try to please the majority? This leads to a tyranny of the majority. Should they rather try to please the minority? This leads to a tyranny of the minority.
Policy must inevitably reflect the times. Trying to make the times reflect policy is doomed to failure (except maybe in Oceania or even just in Airstrip One). People in positions of power--whether social, political, or religious--imposing their worldview or their religious mindset on their constituents (assuming these powerful people were legitimately chosen by constituents in the first place) is a sure road to dictatorship and fascism. And, yes, that is something that holds true for the extremes as much on the political right as it does on the political left. All of us are caught between a rock and a hard place; all of us want to live in a world where the conditions are such that all of us would want to live in it. But, as we all know, Cain slew Abel. The conflict is old.
So, what are we to do?
I have a few suggestions.
First, disengage from the pettiness of partisan politics. Help people grow and thrive around you, regardless of the fact that their worldviews or ideas or opinions are likely different from yours. Put people before flags and souls before station or standing.
Second, hold yourself accountable for your own choices in life and stand by or abandon your stance only upon mature reflection and not because of social, political, or religious pressure.
Third, take the time to occasionally masturbate on a deserted beach under a crisp, bright starfield. It's the best way to help you put things into perspective.
As far as transwomen participating in women's sports, I'll admit I need to give the matter further thought. My quippy, rapscallion tendencies want to make me say that, if transwomen are to be excluded from women's sports, then so, too, should women who are built like men. But where would that leave manly women?
Honestly, Rave, I worry less about policymakers and lawmakers (who can always be booted out at the next election) than I do about activist judges, who sit for life. This, because of my claim above that policy must reflect the times--an impossiblity with judges who, as they did in overturning Roe v. Wade, cited documents from the 17th century by authors who believed the burning of witches was an appropriate remedy to all the ills of society.
I'm thouroughly enjoying this sane, rational, non-Banshee discussion.
Thank you for this.
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I am also pro-choice Blurt and yes it was a stunning decision by Scotus to say the least lol I am, however, in favor of states rights and letting people in states dictate what their laws should be. I've said this before, that this decision, IN TIME, could really wipe out the Republican party. It won't happen today or tomorrow.. but am sure that enough pressure will be put on politicians via voting that will make them reevaluate their staunch policies or be out of a job :) Have a great night, Blurt :)
Thanks, Rave. You have a great night, too.
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At some point, someone's going to have to explain to me how the laws of individual states should take precedence over national laws in a country called the "United States." How does that work, exactly? My knowledge in this area is, admittedly, deficient.
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At some point, someone's going to have to explain to me how the laws of individual states should take precedence over national laws in a country called the "United States." How does that work, exactly? My knowledge in this area is, admittedly, deficient.
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lmao! I don't believe that for one second, Blurt. In any case, start by googling the 10th amendment and go from there :)
Oh, believe it, Rave. While, sure, I have a basic understanding of the structure of the American federacy and of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, trying to get at the roots of the 10th Amendment--to figure out its meaning and interpretation--keeps leading me down a rabbit hole of legal wrangling and a warren of SCOTUS rulings that may make sense to Constitutional scholars and lawyers but that sound like Ancient Greek to me. Seriously, at this point, I can't even tell if I would've sided with the Federalists or with the Anti-Federalists had I been there in the 1780's. I still find the debate fascinating, though. The philosophical aspects of politics have always interested me way more than the petty partisanship we see today.
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If you're at all academically inclined, I watched this Class a couple years ago....
After watching this, I had the 'impression' that the seeds of the civil war were sewn with the signing of the Constitution.
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Why is Donald J. Trump PLEASE ASS BOX ME! transgender rapists?
Coaching like this can't be taught, it's congenital!
Coaching like this can't be taught, it's congenital!
Well, I am academically inclined, Admin. But I'll be honest here and state that the degree of inclination is proportional to my emotional investment in a subject.
Still, thanks for this. I'll watch it. I do want to learn more about this, even if for no other reason than that discussions with my American neighbours can only be enhanced by my being familiar with issues that are such an integral part of their core identity.
A discussion in Canada:
Bob: "But why in the hell would you even want to do that???"
Carol: "Because it's the right thing to do!"
The same discussion in the United States of America:
Ted: "But why in the hell would you even want to do that???"
Alice: "Because it's the Constitutional thing to do!"
The only problem with Dove is she finds a cause that she believes in -- probably as a result of reading some tirade on some dubious, fact-free conservative channel somewhere -- and she takes it very persnally, manufacturing many worst-case scenarios in her fevered imagination. Then, she refuses to let go of it, like a mad dog with a bone. The fear seems to grow exponentially as she obsesses over it. I imagine she has a hard time sleeping at night because she thinks liberals, trans women, BLM, and pro-choice activists are coming to get her. Literally coming to get her and destroy her life. I think some people might call this clinical paranoia.
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I would tend to agree, Lotes. Here's the thing: I have very little interest in partisan politics and, as someone who has very little interest in partisan politics, I can confirm that Dove's views on a bunch of issues are only midly interesting to me. I don't know Dove from a barnacle on the hull of the Mary Céleste, and I have no dog in her catfights,: but, when she chooses to share her political opinions by locking herself into a cupboard with you and switch on her bullhorn, I, for one, plug my ears with my index fingers.
So, to me, it's not her views that are "the problem with Dove," but her delivery.
As she herself would say, though, that's on me, not on her. And I'm willing to fully own that.
So, to me, it's not her views that are "the problem with Dove," but her delivery.
As she herself would say, though, that's on me, not on her. And I'm willing to fully own that.
I'm not into partisan politics, either. But Dove has perfected the fine art of partisan hackery, so everything she posts has that bent to it. It compounds the aura of insanity that tinges her posts.
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