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Would you say $32.50 is a low wage?

For what job?

And what are the work place conditions? Are they paying taxes and able to have proper representation in government?

It isnt just pay. Its also about rights and representation and opportunities. Im really big on things being done ethically. I actually absolutely would pay extra for that fruit knowing it was harvested ethically.

Im the same way when it comes to the treatment of animals. I refuse to buy products or goods from any companies that are terrible for the environment or that mistreat and abuse animals.

I dont buy shit made in China if i can help it....that is HARD too. Shein is a fucking nightmare.
 

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Well, you should berate your fellow conservatives, though it's nice that you've come part way around to my position....which is the Liberal position....
which I have outlines rather neatly.

Omfg.

I have ALWAYS been classical liberal. I am NOT a conservative.

And YOU do not know what a conservative even is. And they ALSO have the same right wing, maga immigration stance that YOU...and I have.
 
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I am NOT a conservative.
Yes you be.
And YOU do not know what a conservative even is
I certainly do, but remember, my definitions aren't exclusively mundane political definitions.
I know you can't understand that, being a conservative.
Conservatives aren't thinkers.

Shit, you don't even believe in rights to bodily autonomy.
 

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Do naaaawt.
.anyway, I thought your board brethren equated Right and Left with conservative and Commie.
Could you guise please get together and get your stories straight?

No H......you DO have right wing views.

Its so fucking weird watching someone claim liberal values while opposing the side of the spectrum that supports those values.

And no. No one does that. You are not left, H. Im sorry to tell you this.....but today im 2025 anything even slightly right of Stalin is a far right extremist.

Its okay, we will give you your first honoray tiki torch for free!
 

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No H......you DO have right wing views.

Its so fucking weird watching someone claim liberal values while opposing the side of the spectrum that supports those values.

And no. No one does that. You are not left, H. Im sorry to tell you this.....but today im 2025 anything even slightly right of Stalin is a far right extremist.

Its okay, we will give you your first honoray tiki torch for free!
Gaslight much, Duh’v?
 

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Gaslight much, Duh’v?

I dont think you guys know what gaslighting is, either.

He agrees with maga republicans on immigration. Thats a right wing immigration stance. It just factual IS.

Claiming otherwise and taking some innapropriate personal shots at me in some silly attempt to avoid my actual argument is more actual gaslighting.

No Admin, my points have nothing with how i look or what i think of my looks. Nice failed gaslighting attempt.

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I dont think you guys know what gaslighting is, either.

He agrees with maga republicans on immigration. Thats a right wing immigration stance. It just factual IS.

Claiming otherwise and taking some innapropriate personal shots at me in some silly attempt to avoid my actual argument is more actual gaslighting.

No Admin, my points have nothing with how i look or what i think of my looks. Nice failed gaslighting attempt.

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Gas, meet light.
 

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What's a gaslight? You and a buddy trying to lure a gerbil out of your butt with a match?

Admingedddon! Admingeddon!!!

Gaslighting is when they ignore your point and instead start calling you crazy or stupid.

Instead of addressing your point, they try to make you question your sanity or intelligence.

They play this card a lot while they are the only ones who ever try pulling it. Which figures. I normally ignore it when they say that because its just desperate.
 

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For what job?

And what are the work place conditions? Are they paying taxes and able to have proper representation in government?

It isnt just pay. Its also about rights and representation and opportunities. Im really big on things being done ethically. I actually absolutely would pay extra for that fruit knowing it was harvested ethically.

Im the same way when it comes to the treatment of animals. I refuse to buy products or goods from any companies that are terrible for the environment or that mistreat and abuse animals.

I dont buy shit made in China if i can help it....that is HARD too. Shein is a fucking nightmare.
The entire Wine business is subbed out. Maintaining, picking, bottling. $32.50 is the wage for the skilled. Yes they not only pay taxes, they pay into SS, that most will never see. I would assume most ag businesses pay similar in Ca. Without them, an apple, orange or Brussel sprouts would be double, maybe triple. Zero representation, aside from growers who need this work force
 

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The entire Wine business is subbed out. Maintaining, picking, bottling. $32.50 is the wage for the skilled. Yes they not only pay taxes, they pay into SS, that most will never see. I would assume most ag businesses pay similar in Ca. Without them, an apple, orange or Brussel sprouts would be double, maybe triple.

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...and yet you can't point them out or even define right-wing.

Did you take the poli-orientation test I linked?
.This time don't be shy about admitting you fall in the upper right quad.

Yes, i can. I absolutely can.

And no, i dont need to take tests from the internet to understand where i align politically.

Is that what happened to you? You took some politics test on the internet and now you think conservatives are everyone on the right and the right is authoritarian?

Bahahahaha. That makes sense. Oh boy! Lol!

You should totally go on a reddit....one of the maga hating ones. And just share your views.

Take screen shots and bring them here lol
 
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He agrees with maga republicans on immigration. Thats a right wing immigration stance. It just factual IS.
You are a true moron.
First how can I be agreeing with someone when I held my view before those people and ideology came to being?
. Secondly, I have explained my views on the subject and they plainly don't agree with MAGA - who are social conservatives as the basis of their position. (you may not believe it, but there is a wide chasm between social and economic conservatives)
Third, the right wing/conservative economic stance is that of Libertarians...essentially open borders - free flow of labor.

Please discuss this with your psychiatrist. Clearly I am not getting through to you by way of reason.
 

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The entire Wine business is subbed out. Maintaining, picking, bottling. $32.50 is the wage for the skilled. Yes they not only pay taxes, they pay into SS, that most will never see. I would assume most ag businesses pay similar in Ca. Without them, an apple, orange or Brussel sprouts would be double, maybe triple. Zero representation, aside from growers who need this work force
I don’t know if our harvest wages up in the Willamette Valley are that high but same pay deal, the farmers do all the withholding the law requires
Dude, it's the Libertarian test. You'll dig it the most.
Have I mentioned that I outscored Halfwit Hitler on the Aryan qualification examination?