....ah but there is no true consensus among medical scientists when 'human life' actually begins
@Dove.
And when the US constitution was first written, abortion was legal in 18th century America. Seems even early Americans did not think that human life began until after the 1st trimester. Many people even medical practitioners today believe this to be the case.
Its only in the 19th century that someone decided that human life begins at conception. The equation of abortion with murder was a later historical development.
Wrong. There absolutely IS a medical consensus on when human life begins and I've posted this many times.
The first part of this link deals with the medical misinfo passed
I can also give citations (they are also provided in this link) to reputable primary sources on this very topic. There is NO question or debate on the well known established medical fact that the beginning of a living human begins at fertilization.
Let me know if you need more sources. I can definately provide them.
Where you run into trouble is the conflating of philosophy with medical science. It's a philosophical concept of personhood that pro abortion arguments focus on. Because biologically, scientifically the minute a new living human organism exists is fertilization and there is absolutely no debate on that.
And this is common sense Joe. Because if it wasnt alive, that means it's dead and we call that miscarriage. If it isnt a human? It's not reproduction because we can only reproduce our own kind.
You arent arguing science. Your argument is philosophical.
So my point and my post still firmly stands. You support oppresion of the weaker and more powerless by the stronger and more powerful. So you supporting the killing of a human being that cannot fight back, cannot defend his/herself, cannot even be seen IS consistent with supporting government coerced and forced medical interventions.
As my position is also consistent that the life and individual rights of a human being should never be taken away from them by anyone, including the stronger and more powerful. We have a plethora of methods to avoid pregnancy but when another human life is in the balance, that life is entitled to live. That is our most fundamental human right.
And when it comes to medical interventions...especially ones that only impact our own bodies, that do carry risk(as all interventions do), no one should be able to force that. That should be left to the individual between that person and their doctor.
As such.....I'm the one with the truly liberal stance and both of my positions are to preserve our individual and human rights.
Your position is that oppression of the weaker and least powerful is okay. You are in favor of removing fundamental rights and liberties. That's your position, so stand on it for what it is. Its illiberal.
