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The Fourth Amendment protects all individuals within the United States, including undocumented immigrants, from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. This means that law enforcement officials, including
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, generally need a warrant based on probable cause to conduct searches or make arrests. While this protection isn't absolute, particularly at the border or within a certain distance of it, the Fourth Amendment's protections apply to undocumented immigrants in most other contexts.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • Protection from Unreasonable Searches and Seizures:
    The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of all persons, including undocumented immigrants, to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures. This right is not limited to U.S. citizens or legal residents.

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    Generally, law enforcement officers must obtain a warrant from a judge before conducting a search or making an arrest. This warrant must be based on probable cause, meaning there must be a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed and the person or place to be searched is connected to that crime.

  • Exceptions:
    There are exceptions to the warrant requirement, such as searches conducted with consent, searches incident to arrest, and searches at the border. The "border search exception" allows for warrantless searches within a reasonable distance of the border.

  • Application to ICE:
    The Fourth Amendment's protections apply to
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    by ICE, just as they do to other law enforcement activities. While ICE has specific legal authority for immigration arrests and detentions, they must still comply with the Fourth Amendment's requirement of reasonableness, including having probable cause for arrests.
  • Reasonable Force:
    The Fourth Amendment also protects against the use of excessive force during arrests or other law enforcement actions. This includes immigration enforcement actions.


  • A writ of habeas corpus is a court action. It is a legal action or order issued by a court to a person who has detained another person, requiring them to bring the detained person before the court to determine the legality of the detention. This action is often referred to as "the Great Writ" and is a fundamental protection against unlawful imprisonment.

  • Let's see if Queerier and Flynn can figure out what a warrant is and where it comes from.

  • A warrant is typically issued by a judge or magistrate based on probable cause, meaning there's sufficient evidence to believe a crime has been committed and the person named in the warrant is connected to it. The process generally involves a law enforcement official or prosecutor presenting evidence to the judge, who then decides whether to authorize the warrant.

  • Oh, so weird....a judge, court, legal process, all due to the 4th amendment. What could it mean?

  • Now, let's not forget that the original discussion started with Flynn-Flam boldly stating that illegal aliens have no protections under the law and can be disappeared w/o due process. Flynn therefore in her/his/its statement favors the idea that ANYONE may be disappeared, because w/o due process how can anyone defend against politically motivated persecution? Flynn-Flam objected to being likened to the Nazis who of course denied people those very rights under question - 4th amendment.

  • Yes, @Reggie_Essent let's have Nazis controlling our government. Queerier and Flynn-Flam can plead justice for them.
Oh, and PS: @Reggie_Essent, Flynn-Flam says yer a tard:


Flynn-Flam replied:
No one knows who you are. Nobody cares who the fuck you are, especially the fact that you're some self-appointed famous internet star. All those names you mentioned are tards,

Ahem...

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Show me where it says illegal aliens in the wording.

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LoLz @ the Flynn thing:

The Fourth Amendment protects all individuals within the United States, including undocumented immigrants ...
Your unattributed cut n paste is complete bullshit written by an America-hating piece of garbage filth Leftist Shitbag.

You know how I know that, Holiday? Because A) No where in the Constitution is the Phrase "undocumented immigrants" used, and B) Only Leftist Filth Traitor Scum even use the phrase "undocumented immigrant."

They are Illegal Alien Criminals and only hate-filled Shitbags like you and the rest of the Democrat Scum refuse to call these criminals what they are: Criminals.
 

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Your unattributed cut n paste is complete bullshit written by an America-hating piece of garbage filth Leftist Shitbag.

You know how I know that, Holiday? Because A) No where in the Constitution is the Phrase "undocumented immigrants" used, and B) Only Leftist Filth Traitor Scum even use the phrase "undocumented immigrant."

They are Illegal Alien Criminals and only hate-filled Shitbags like you and the rest of the Democrat Scum refuse to call these criminals what they are: Criminals.

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You know how I know that, Holiday?
Because your betters told you?
The wording doesn't specify anyone or exclude anyone.
You know why that is, Ragtard?...because it includes all persons, no exceptions.
Thirdly - read the many scholars and lawyers I linked wholesale who say that it applies to all people.
It isn't what I think, its what they say. The fact is that it is not legal to take a person without cause (legal, through the courts), or their property without due process, and THAT starts with the 4th amendment.

As one person quite rightly noted, that is why there is an immigration court system and immigration lawyers etc.
Can't disappear folks, Raggs, no matter how much you'd like to.
 

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Because your betters told you?
The wording doesn't specify anyone or exclude anyone.
You know why that is, Ragtard?...because it includes all persons, no exceptions.
Thirdly - read the many scholars and lawyers I linked wholesale who say that it applies to all people.
It isn't what I think, its what they say. The fact is that it is not legal to take a person without cause (legal, through the courts), or their property without due process, and THAT starts with the 4th amendment.

As one person quite rightly noted, that is why there is an immigration court system and immigration lawyers etc.
Can't disappear folks, Raggs, no matter how much you'd like to.

SHOW ME WHERE THE 4TH AMENDMENT STATES ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE INCLUDED.
 
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SHOW ME WHERE THE 4TH AMENDMENT STATES ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE INCLUDED.
No one is excluded, Flynn-Flam.
...and as I said to that person Raggs, who you call a tard (okay, I do not agree or disagree on everything with everyone), by mentioning no class of person, it includes everyone....not excluding anyone.
This is not my conclusion, but that of lawyers and Constitutional scholars who I have linked.
No person can be denied these right with a lone exception upon which we agree. Though even that is a slippery slope, frankly. Here's why if I may borrow you for a hypothetical situation.

You are hiking in the southwest. You are on vacation.
Okay - I said this was hypothetical so you in this imagined scenario have pushed yourself away from yer 'pewter, and are on vacation from something (a job?).
You are stopped by an officer of "the law".

Officer Iceman: why are you here and what doing?

Flynn-Flam: I am an American citizen hiking the magnificent Southwest of this great Trumpian nation. I am on vacation from my imaginary job.

Officer Iceman: I'll be the judge of that. May I see your ID, please?

Flynn-Flam: I freeking told you who I am. Who the hell are you to ask me anything, buster?

Officer Iceman: Papers, please.

Flynn-Flam: This is an outrage:

Officer Iceman: Papers...

Flynn-Flam: Oh okay, here. (hands Office ID)
See, I told you.

Officer Iceman: Told me what? (Puts Flynn-Flam's papers in pocket)

Flynn-Flam: That I'm a citizen. I gave you proof.

Officer Iceman: What proof?

Flynn-Flam: My ID.

Officer Iceman: What ID? You gave me no ID.
You are obviously an illegal alien and will now be returned forthwith without recourse to your native country.

Flynn-Flam: but but but but...

Officer Iceman: Shut the fuck up, pedro (and or pedrette).
 
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No one is excluded, Flynn-Flam.
...and as I said to that person Raggs, who you call a tard (okay, I do not agree or disagree on everything with everyone), by mentioning no class of person, it includes everyone....not excluding anyone.
This is not my conclusion, but that of lawyers and Constitutional scholars who I have linked.
No person can be denied these right with a lone exception upon which we agree. Though even that is a slippery slope, frankly. Here's why if I may borrow you for a hypothetical situation.

You are hiking in the southwest. You are on vacation.
Okay - I said this was hypothetical so you in this imagined scenario have pushed yourself away from yer 'pewter, and are on vacation from something (a job?).
You are stopped by an officer of "the law".

Officer Iceman: why are you here and what doing?

Flynn-Flam: I am an American citizen hiking the magnificent Southwest of this great Trumpian nation. I am on vacation from my imaginary job.

Officer Iceman: I'll be the judge of that. May I see your ID, please?

Flynn-Flam: I freeking told you who I am. Who the hell are you to ask me anything, buster?

Officer Iceman: Papers, please.

Flynn-Flam: This is an outrage:

Officer Iceman: Papers...

Flynn-Flam: Oh okay, here. (hands Office ID)
See, I told you.

Officer Iceman: Told me what? (Puts Flynn-Flam's papers in pocket)

Flynn-Flam: That I'm a citizen. I gave you proof.

Officer Iceman: What proof?

Flynn-Flam: My ID.

Officer Iceman: What ID? You gave me no ID.
You are obviously an illegal alien and will now be returned forthwith without recourse to your native country.

Flynn-Flam: but but but but...

Officer Iceman: Shut the fuck up, pedro (and or pedrette).

Show me where it says illegal immigrants?

YOU STILL CAN'T SHOW ME. :LOL3:

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This is not left to your interpretation. Show me where the founding fathers included illegals?

You can type out all the shit you want. Write a book. Fact is that no illegals were mentioned in the 4th Amendment.
 
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You must be involved with an illegal or you are an illegal.
No one has written more in favor of secure borders and against "illegal alien" labor on these boards than I have.
..No one.
..but what I write is always founded in Liberal principles and not conservative/Libertarian non-government interventionist views. Open borders in conservatism.
..but, I do not violate Liberal principles and disregard the Bill of Rights as you a Nazi admirer do.
 

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No one has written more in favor of secure borders and against "illegal alien" labor on these boards than I have.
..No one.
..but what I write is always founded in Liberal principles and not conservative/Libertarian non-government interventionist views. Open borders in conservatism.
..but, I do not violate Liberal principles and disregard the Bill of Rights as you a Nazi admirer do.

That is a true. You have talked about it a lot. A whole lot.