How this rape survivor feels about transgender women in bathrooms

[Jack]

drag on TV has been going on as long as TV's been around

 

[Lily]

drag on TV has been going on as long as TV's been around

Yet our grandparents and parents didn't get hysterical about it.

Imagine that? Maybe struggling through the Depression and World War 2, etc made them develop a real idea of what disaster and hard times is...

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

You sure about that?

Then let me clarify: Jamie Farr as Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger was the first long-running primetime television instance of such.

 

[Lily]

Then let me clarify: Jamie Farr as Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger was the first long-running primetime television instance of such.

And what does that mean?

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

No, they're not. Language always adapts.

And that doesn't mean every deliberate, agenda-driven re-engineering of it is organic.

 

[Jack]

Yet our grandparents and parents didn't get hysterical about it.

Imagine that? Maybe struggling through the Depression and World War 2, etc made them develop a real idea of what disaster and hard times is...

when you look at native american shamans using the female persona to enhance their ability to heal and do medicine, it's an interesting concept.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

And what does that mean?

To me it mean that we have been making fun of deviants for a long time.

 

[Lily]

And that doesn't mean every deliberate, agenda-driven re-engineering of it is organic.

Doesn't matter. Not everything that changes language is organic. So what?

 

[Jack]

Then let me clarify: Jamie Farr as Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger was the first long-running primetime television instance of such.

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It's difficult to definitively say who was the longest-running cross-dresser on TV, as the term "cross-dresser" can be interpreted in different ways. However, some of the most well-known and longest-running characters that featured cross-dressing on TV include characters like Terence Stamp as Bernadette in "The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" and Bruce Jenner as Caitlyn Jenner in "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" and "I Am Cait".


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• Terence Stamp as Bernadette:
  While not a character who cross-dressed for the entirety of the show, his portrayal of Bernadette in "The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" was a significant and enduring representation of a transgender performer.
  

• Bruce Jenner as Caitlyn Jenner:
  Jenner's transition and subsequent appearance on "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" and "I Am Cait" brought a high level of visibility to gender transition and cross-dressing on TV, and he was a prominent figure on the show for many years.
  
  
• Charlie Chaplin and Stan Laurel:
  Early examples of cross-dressing in film can be found in the silent films of Charlie Chaplin and Stan Laurel, who occasionally dressed as women in their roles.
  

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While not a cross-dresser in the traditional sense, Charlie Sheen's character, Charlie, often engaged in gender-bending activities and cross-dressing, particularly when under the influence of substances.

 

[Lily]

To me it mean that we have been making fun of deviants for a long time.

And what does that get you? Does it make you feel superior? Does it improve your life?

Tell me, bully, how is your life better, materially or spiritually, in making fun of people you don't like?

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

when you look at native american shamans using the female persona to enhance their ability to heal and do medicine, it's an interesting concept.

The same dynamics are at play in Norse mythology, as well; for instance, the episode in which Thor and Loki went to a giant's hall in drag to retrieve Mjolnir. Or Odin's practice of Seidr -- a specifically female form of divination. Or the fact that Loki, in the form of a mare, birthed Odin's horse Sleipnir.

But those things were attributed to the supernatural specifically because they aren't natural.

 

[Lily]

The same dynamics are at play in Norse mythology, as well; for instance, the episode in which Thor and Loki went to a giant's hall in drag to retrieve Mjolnir. Or Odin's practice of Seidr -- a specifically female form of divination. Or the fact that Loki, in the form of a mare, birthed Odin's horse Sleipnir.

But those things were attributed to the supernatural specifically because they aren't natural.

How is it not natural?

You think it's mental illness. How is mental illness not natural?

I don't know what it is, but it doesn't matter to me. How other people choose to live their own life, as long as they're not harming others, is none of my god damn business.

People like you claim to believe in freedom, but you really don't. You want freedom for people like you, not for everyone.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

And what does that get you? Does it make you feel superior? Does it improve your life?

It stems from evolutionary imperatives. The least fit members of the hunter-gatherer tribe were ostracized for the health of the tribe.

I'm not saying that's 'a moral good'; I'm explaining where the tendency originates.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't know what it is, but it doesn't matter to me. How other people choose to live their own life, as long as they're not harming others, is none of my god damn business.

I agree. I feel the same way about Christian fundies. They (by which I mean both groups) can believe whatever silly shit they want to believe. It's when they start preaching it at those who don't consent to listen to the preaching that I take issue.

 

[Lily]

It stems from evolutionary imperatives. The least fit members of the hunter-gatherer tribe were ostracized for the health of the tribe.

I'm not saying that's 'a moral good'; I'm explaining where the tendency originates.

That's until culture was developed.

As Margaret Mead said, the first time she saw evidence of a bone healed by other humans, it's when we developed culture. Caring for the sick and injured is also a product of human evolution.

You don't have to understand what is happening in the mind of a transgender person. It's your job to mind your own fucking business.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

Put it like this: I feel about in-your-face womanface-wearing LARPers exactly the same way I feel about the Westboro Baptists, on exactly the same grounds.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

And what does that get you? Does it make you feel superior? Does it improve your life?

Tell me, bully, how is your life better, materially or spiritually, in making fun of people you don't like?

It amuses me. And liking or not liking deviants has nothing to do with making fun of deviants as a class of deviant humans worthy of being mocked and ridiculed.

 

[Lily]

I agree. I feel the same way about Christian fundies. They (by which I mean both groups) can believe whatever silly shit they want to believe. It's when they start preaching it at those who don't consent to listen to the preaching that I take issue.

Do transgenders preach to others?

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

That's until culture was developed.

Culture arose from evolutionary imperatives. There wasn't some secret conclave that spent a weekend in Switzerland inventing 'culture' from the ground up.

 

[Lily]

It amuses me. And liking or not liking deviants has nothing to do with making fun of deviants as a class of deviant humans worthy of being mocked and ridiculed.

So, your soul is so empty that making fun of people is what turns you on?

It's a sad state of affairs for America. We're in trouble and people like you deny it or don't care.

Carry on. I think you may live long enough to regret your bad attitude.

 

[Lily]

Culture arose from evolutionary imperatives. There wasn't some secret conclave that spent a weekend in Switzerland inventing 'culture' from the ground up.

Yes, including those people that developed outside the "norm".

 

[Reggie_Essent]

That's until culture was developed.

As Margaret Mead said, the first time she saw evidence of a bone healed by other humans, it's when we developed culture. Caring for the sick and injured is also a product of human evolution.

You don't have to understand what is happening in the mind of a transgender person. It's your job to mind your own fucking business.

Didn't Margaret Mead deeply regret her decision to remain childless in later life? Or am I thinking of some other famous Feminist cunt?

 

[Lily]

Didn't Margaret Mead deeply regret her decision to remain childless in later life? Or am I thinking of some other famous Feminist cunt?

I have no idea, nor do I really care. People make their choices and have to live with them.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

Do transgenders preach to others?

Look around at every instance of 'representation' in media; swap in a Southern Baptist dipshit raving about 'damnation 'n' heyll-fahr' in place of a burly man in makeup and a wig finger-wagging about 'pronouns'.

How does it look then?

 

[Reggie_Essent]

So, your soul is so empty that making fun of people is what turns you on?

It's a sad state of affairs for America. We're in trouble and people like you deny it or don't care.

Carry on. I think you may live long enough to regret your bad attitude.

How long have you been on these forums?

 

[Reggie_Essent]

I have no idea, nor do I really care. People make their choices and have to live with them.

That's true. I feel sorry for trannies who come to regret chopping off their bits and old homos facing difficult health issues that result from the choices they made and have to live with.

 

[Lily]

Look around at every instance of 'representation' in media; swap in a Southern Baptist dipshit raving about 'damnation 'n' heyll-fahr' in place of a burly man in makeup and a wig finger-wagging about 'pronouns'.

How does it look then?

It doesn't look like a Southern Baptist preaching to me.

Busybodies in my community seem to come in what you would consider "normal" behaviors.

My 1 year old granddaughter refuses to wear shoes. My daughter puts shoes on her. The minute she gets a chance, she not only takes them off, she chucks them.

In public, my kiddo will stuff the shoes into her bag. It never fails that she gets some middle aged or older person, always white so far, that asks my daughter why the baby isn't wearing shoes.

Now, my kiddo could choose to be rude and tell them to fuck off...but, she was raised by parents that taught her to be respectful of others. She uses her sense of humor and explains that the baby won't wear them. She plays out the motion of the baby launching them...

She says they giggle and pretend scold the baby and then move on.

However, what right do they really have to question any mother on such a trivial thing? If you think about it...what in the holy fuck are they sticking their nose in her parenting for? My granddaughter, is always properly dressed, bathed, clean, and her hair brushed and styled...she just hates wearing shoes.

Why does any American feel the right to tell another American what they should do? What to believe?

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

It doesn't look like a Southern Baptist preaching to me.

Busybodies in my community seem to come in what you would consider "normal" behaviors.

My 1 year old granddaughter refuses to wear shoes. My daughter puts shoes on her. The minute she gets a chance, she not only takes them off, she chucks them.

In public, my kiddo will stuff the shoes into her bag. It never fails that she gets some middle aged or older person, always white so far, that asks my daughter why the baby isn't wearing shoes.

Now, my kiddo could choose to be rude and tell them to fuck off...but, she was raised by parents that taught her to be respectful of others. She uses her sense of humor and explains that the baby won't wear them. She plays out the motion of the baby launching them...

She says they giggle and pretend scold the baby and then move on.

However, what right do they really have to question any mother on such a trivial thing? If you think about it...what in the holy fuck are they sticking their nose in her parenting for? My granddaughter, is always properly dressed, bathed, clean, and her hair brushed and styled...she just hates wearing shoes.

Why does any American feel the right to tell another American what they should do? What to believe?

I agree entirely. I don't appreciate people who are invasive, either. And sometimes womanface LARPers are that. It's not appreciated. That lack of appreciation isn't bigotry.

 

[Admin.]

You sure about that?

Portia in the Merchant of Venice. Was before Mash aired on TV if I remember correctly.

 

[Lily]

How long have you been on these forums?

Long enough to not let people like you change me into an asshole in the real world.