Julian Assange - Russian Asset and Trump Ally to Avoid Extradition

[The New Holliday]

Deserves a life sentence for that - that, to say nothing of his rapeism and narcissism, which make him generally unlikeable.

 

[Admin.]

'Tude's on the data hacker/thief early in Obama Puppet-Sleepy Joe's fake term, because Trump really won.

Poll: Democrats more likely to view Assange as having committed espionage*​

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*but not by that big of a margin.

 

[LotusBud]

'Tude's on the data hacker/thief early in Obama Puppet-Sleepy Joe's fake term, because Trump really won.

Poll: Democrats more likely to view Assange as having committed espionage*​

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*but not by that big of a margin.

I'm among the unsure. Largely because everyone knows the US commits international crimes and crimes against its own citizens all the time, and whistleblowers are very important in these scenarios. I don't believe whistleblowers should be prosecuted when they have called out some of these crimes. What Assange did and did not REALLY do is a mystery to me, actually.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Its another stich up job, that seems obvious.

 

[Admin.]

 

[Lily]

Let's get real for a minute. All governments lie, conduct espionage...all of them. Granted, some are worse than others.

What I want people to ask themselves is this: Who didn't know that the War in Iraq was bullshit? Who didn't know that Saddam Hussein wasn't capable of attacking mainland US? Who didn't know that his regime wasn't responsible for 9/11?

What did Julian Assange et al, inform us about that we didn't know? eta: And what is the impact of the doc dump? What's different or what's changed?

Anyone?

 

[LotusBud]

Let's get real for a minute. All governments lie, conduct espionage...all of them. Granted, some are worse than others.

What I want people to ask themselves is this: Who didn't know that the War in Iraq was bullshit? Who didn't know that Saddam Hussein wasn't capable of attacking mainland US? Who didn't know that his regime wasn't responsible for 9/11?

What did Julian Assange et al, inform us about that we didn't know? eta: And what is the impact of the doc dump? What's different or what's changed?

Anyone?

A shit ton of people bought the official stories about why we were in Iraq.

 

[Lily]

A shit ton of people bought the official stories about why we were in Iraq.

Those people would have supported the war regardless, imo. They are the same type that supported Vietnam even when the images of the war were on television on the evening news.

I had a progressive friend tell me years ago that this country was still fairly conservative...about 20 some years ago...a few years after the 2000 election. I sort of scoffed at the idea, but it was the Bay Area and I was in a bubble. There are a lot of Americans that are USA! USA! USA!...maybe fewer than in 2000. However, it's still a large proportion of the population.

I have to say I was wrong and he seemed to be right.

 

[LotusBud]

Those people would have supported the war regardless, imo. They are the same type that supported Vietnam even when the images of the war were on television on the evening news.

I had a progressive friend tell me years ago that this country was still fairly conservative...about 20 some years ago...a few years after the 2000 election. I sort of scoffed at the idea, but it was the Bay Area and I was in a bubble. There are a lot of Americans that are USA! USA! USA!...maybe fewer than in 2000. However, it's still a large proportion of the population.

I have to say I was wrong and he seemed to be right.

Regardless, I believe Julian Assange was railroaded by the US.

 

[Lily]

Regardless, I believe Julian Assange was railroaded by the US.

Perhaps, I don't know the ins and outs of what he did exactly. I didn't follow wikileaks. I think his history of being a hacker put a target on his back when he released the documents.

 

[LotusBud]

BTW, as far as Assange being a Trump guy, I'd bet my life Trump has no idea what Assange did. He's just using him for possible votes. I don't know when the left turned on Assange, but early on, he was being applauded by the left.

 

[Lily]

BTW, as far as Assange being a Trump guy, I'd bet my life Trump has no idea what Assange did. He's just using him for possible votes. I don't know when the left turned on Assange, but early on, he was being applauded by the left.

I was left wondering when the socialist government of Bolivia wanted him out after hosting him for so long.

 

[Admin.]

I was left wondering when the socialist government of Bolivia wanted him out after hosting him for so long.

Probably getting static from us, and Australia et al.

 

[Lily]

Probably getting static from us, and Australia et al.

Could be...I don't know that it was the only issue. He had been accused of rape before...

 

[Admin.]

Could be...I don't know that it was the only issue. He had been accused of rape before...

It could also be Bolivia just got tired of holding our mail for us, interminably.

 

[LotusBud]

I was left wondering when the socialist government of Bolivia wanted him out after hosting him for so long.

It was Ecuador that hosted him then turned on him. Ecuador uses the US dollar as its currency. Close ties to the US. Pressure from the US, is my bet.

Bolivia had some tangential connection to Snowden.

 

[Breakfall]

Deserves a life sentence for that - that, to say nothing of his rapeism and narcissism, which make him generally unlikeable.

The truth hurts!

 

[Garraty_47]

BTW, as far as Assange being a Trump guy, I'd bet my life Trump has no idea what Assange did. He's just using him for possible votes. I don't know when the left turned on Assange, but early on, he was being applauded by the left.

Liberals loved him when he exposed the Bush regime's war crimes.

Then he published the DNC and Podesta emails and the liberals hated him for it.

Liberals/democrats only care about corruption and war crimes when the republicans are doing it. Anyone who dares point out their own hypocrisy and malfeasance becomes a sworn enemy and for them nothing is out of bounds in order to destroy an enemy. They're psychopaths.

 

[Breakfall]

It was Ecuador that hosted him then turned on him. Ecuador uses the US dollar as its currency. Close ties to the US. Pressure from the US, is my bet.

Bolivia had some tangential connection to Snowden.

Aren’t you the same person that championed the Covid “vaccine” and tried to convince an audience that paper masks help prevent the spread of viral pathogens?

And what’s this “we” bullshit? You’re a part of the slaver nation of Portugal, not the U.S of fucking A!

Step aside Rosebutt!

 

[The New Holliday]

This has really become quite fascinating. The mass of confusion illustrated by gross misstatement of fact, wild speculation and misuse of terms would make good comedy if it wasn't so alarming.

 

[Breakfall]

This has really become quite fascinating. The mass of confusion illustrated by gross misstatement of fact, wild speculation and misuse of terms would make good comedy if it wasn't so alarming.

Julian took the plea bargain after the US of fucking A fucked him over. Our Prime Minster gave him a warm welcome upon landing …the Australian people welcome him with open arms. And Australia is America’s longest standing ally. What’s so alarming you dense halfwit!?

 

[Lily]

It was Ecuador that hosted him then turned on him. Ecuador uses the US dollar as its currency. Close ties to the US. Pressure from the US, is my bet.

Bolivia had some tangential connection to Snowden.

You're right, it was Ecuador. I was reading about the coup attempt yesterday and it was on the brain.

They gave him asylum because of political prosecution to begin with...I think he did something to wear out his welcome. I've lived long enough to know that very few things are cut and dry. There are lots of nuances that we never know about.

There's something about him that doesn't seem trustworthy. Just my opinion.

 

[Breakfall]

You're right, it was Ecuador. I was reading about the coup attempt yesterday and it was on the brain.

They gave him asylum because of political prosecution to begin with...I think he did something to wear out his welcome. I've lived long enough to know that very few things are cut and dry. There are lots of nuances that we never know about.

There's something about him that doesn't seem trustworthy. Just my opinion.

The brain??

 

[LotusBud]

You're right, it was Ecuador. I was reading about the coup attempt yesterday and it was on the brain.

They gave him asylum because of political prosecution to begin with...I think he did something to wear out his welcome. I've lived long enough to know that very few things are cut and dry. There are lots of nuances that we never know about.

There's something about him that doesn't seem trustworthy. Just my opinion.

I would bet my life the US pressured them to stop offering him asylum. I'm not saying he's not some sort of sleazebag, but still. Life in prison for revealing truths? In a supposed free=press democracy? I don't think so.

Daniel Elsberg comes to mind.

 

[LotusBud]

Liberals loved him when he exposed the Bush regime's war crimes.

Then he published the DNC and Podesta emails and the liberals hated him for it.

Liberals/democrats only care about corruption and war crimes when the republicans are doing it. Anyone who dares point out their own hypocrisy and malfeasance becomes a sworn enemy and for them nothing is out of bounds in order to destroy an enemy. They're psychopaths.

Yes, and vice versa, for sure.

I remember that now. I was pissed at Assange for waiting until after the primaries. If he had published that shit before, Bernie might have come out the candidate.

 

[Breakfall]

I would bet my life the US pressured them to stop offering him asylum. I'm not saying he's not some sort of sleazebag, but still. Life in prison for revealing truths? In a supposed free=press democracy? I don't think so.

Daniel Elsberg comes to mind.

My God you’re as thick as a brick RoseButt!
He was charged of conspiring to obtain and disclose classified U.S. national defence documents under the Espionage Act.
How the fuck is that free-press democracy?
Jesus H Christ!

 

[Lily]

I would bet my life the US pressured them to stop offering him asylum. I'm not saying he's not some sort of sleazebag, but still. Life in prison for revealing truths? In a supposed free=press democracy? I don't think so.

Daniel Elsberg comes to mind.

Prosecutions almost always charge at maximum levels in order to be able to negotiate down if cases start to look like they're iffy for them. That's legal strategy.

You're also ignoring his criminal record as a hacker. I didn't know being a hacker made a person qualify as a "journalist ".

 

[LotusBud]

Prosecutions almost always charge at maximum levels in order to be able to negotiate down if cases start to look like they're iffy for them. That's legal strategy.

You're also ignoring his criminal record as a hacker. I didn't know being a hacker made a person qualify as a "journalist ".

I'm not ignoring anything. I simply object to the way they have gone after him. I also disagree with how they treated Snowden and how they treated Chelsea Manning.

I imagine technically all three of them did illegal things. But the way the US goes after them is unconscionable for a "free speech, free press" democracy, imo. If they treated them the same way they have treated Trump, for example, or the murderers at Boeing and Purdue all these years, none of them would have had to flee or fear for their very lives.

 

[The New Holliday]

I was pissed at Assange for waiting until after the primaries. If he had published that shit before, Bernie might have come out the candidate.

Exactly right there Lotus - but no doubt some would see it as pure coincidence (why I referred to him as I did, because it was not pure coincidence it was well coordinated and calculated). Bernie, you also recall was shown leading Trump by wider margins and would have annihilated him in the debates. Also didn't have HC's baggage. Who do you think might have wanted the weaker opposing candidate for Trump? Same scum that also was running a disinformation campaign to his favor? Could be, you know.

How the fuck is that free-press democracy?

Same sorta similar to keeping classified documents when you leave the WH? Just guessing there.

Daniel Elsberg comes to mind.

Daniel Elsberg should never have his name sullied by mentioning him in the same sentence as a piece of shit like Assange.

There's something about him that doesn't seem trustworthy.

Ya think?

 

[LotusBud]

Exactly right there Lotus - but no doubt some would see it as pure coincidence (why I referred to him as I did, because it was not pure coincidence it was well coordinated and calculated). Bernie, you also recall was shown leading Trump by wider margins and would have annihilated him in the debates. Also didn't have HC's baggage. Who do you think might have wanted the weaker opposing candidate for Trump? Same scum that also was running a disinformation campaign to his favor? Could be, you know.



Same sorta similar to keeping classified documents when you leave the WH? Just guessing there.


Daniel Elsberg should never have his name sullied by mentioning him in the same sentence as a piece of shit like Assange.


Ya think?

I think Hillary very much wanted to be the candidate, with Trump as the opposition. She was certain he would lose to her.

I am not saying Assange is a hero. Neither is he any more of a criminal than Trump or HC. They're all crooked to the core. Assange is the least crooked among them. I mean, he's not in their league. He has no power.