Michigandertude: A thread about why we are the fun loving practical chosen people who will survive any zombie apocalypse.

[Admin.]

I am highly accredited in understanding how lean logistics mitigates food supply and health risks and where too many musical chairs turns your lettuce into a 6th or 20th Covid jab booster.

Make from that what you will...

Have you ever been in or worked in a produce cannery? If you had you would know how rarely a human hand touches a bean or carrot or even a leaf of lettuce, do you think canneries are just a big building full of hundreds of illegal aliens passing individual leaves of lettuce down the line to the guy who wipes his ass with the leaf before stuffing it into the bag?

 

[Frood]

Have you ever been in or worked in a produce cannery? If you had you would know how rarely a human hand touches a bean or carrot or even a leaf of lettuce, do you think canneries are just a big building full of hundreds of illegal aliens passing individual leaves of lettuce down the line to the guy who wipes his ass with the leaf before stuffing it into the bag?

Fresh produce isn't generally sealed in protective packaging at the farm or farm shed. It goes into pallet sized tote boxes and is handled by the packer, the supermarket order picker for either a store or an online custumore in the distro centre, then handled again on arrival by the supermarket stocker, and whomever touches up each item until they find the one they like.... others also sneeze on them....

Canneries are different. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Holliday 3000]

Fresh produce isn't generally sealed in protective packaging at the farm or farm shed. It goes into pallet sized tote boxes and is handled by the packer, the supermarket order picker for either a store or an online custumore in the distro centre, then handled again on arrival by the supermarket stocker, and whomever touches up each item until they find the one they like.... others also sneeze on them....

Canneries are different. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

Luckily none of that happens on organic farms.
There's a no sneezing on the fruit sign in my grocers organic produce section.
Not so the BIG AGRA section.

 

[Dove]

Have you ever been in or worked in a produce cannery? If you had you would know how rarely a human hand touches a bean or carrot or even a leaf of lettuce, do you think canneries are just a big building full of hundreds of illegal aliens passing individual leaves of lettuce down the line to the guy who wipes his ass with the leaf before stuffing it into the bag?

Dude bagged salads and greens are ALWAYS having recalls. Its one of the most recalled products we get.

Ecoli....lysteria....all kinds of bacteria.

You are being a dick about this over politics because now the shit virus is going to be partisan. So now "politcal medicine" again from the people who thought Ivermectin was a horse paste.

 

[Dove]

Luckily none of that happens on organic farms.
There's a no sneezing on the fruit sign in my grocers organic produce section.
Not so the BIG AGRA section.

Its much less likely to be contaminated, yes.

How odd that this offends you.

 

[Holliday 3000]

Its much less likely to be contaminated, yes.

How odd that this offends you.

You missed the point of my mock (but then you always do). It isn't the growing method that matters.
..Your local pesticiding farm is no more nor less safe from this particular microbe than the organic one.

 

[Frood]

Luckily none of that happens on organic farms.
There's a no sneezing on the fruit sign in my grocers organic produce section.
Not so the BIG AGRA section.

Organic (or any) farms which sell roadside or direct to shop have much fewer hops and hands on it.

But prospective customers will still inspect and put back produce. Leafy greens by their structure will always have more issues than a skinned fruit or vegetable.

It doesn't matter though if there is one bad actor or employee anywhere in a chain of 3 or 10.

My dad once got super sick eating lettuce at a Hyatt in Nigeria in the 70's. A premium hotel for its day which was careful about the food they provided for their international clients, but that didn't realize their direct contract and understanding with the farmer that no human excrement be used as fertilizer wasn't being followed. Only 2 or 3 hops of the supply chain and my dad still got dysentery for a week (they supplied him clean bananas, water, and a large lizard in the room to eat the mosquitos while he was recuperating)....

It was a shitty trip for a number of reasons. His guide meant to escort him from the Hyatt complex to the nearby convention site abandoned my dad mid nature reserve because a cobra (I believe I recall it described as a "spitting cobra) reared up, and the guide did a Jack Dot, running away screaming, crying, and pissing his pants...

 

[Holliday 3000]

Organic (or any) farms

Right...Exactly the point I've been making from page 4.

 

[Frood]

Right...Exactly the point I've been making from page 1.

You could have been more regimented and clear....

 

[Holliday 3000]

You could have been more regimented and clear....

It was clean to anyone who knows how to read and interpret words.

LoLz. Apparently you have no idea how the contaminating Cyclospora cayetanensis is spread.
It has zip to do with growing methods.

Are you saying this wasn't straight forward an non-cryptic?

 

[Frood]

It was clean to anyone who knows how to read and interpret words.

Are you saying this wasn't straight forward an non-cryptic?

It could be your verbosity, standoffish nature, or an age related momentary deficit in my speed scanning abilities....

 

[Holliday 3000]

It could be your verbosity, standoffish nature, or an age related momentary deficit in my speed scanning abilities....

Could be....and you know what - you just went up a notch in my view for having said so.

 

[Frood]

Could be....and you know what - you just went up a notch in my view for having said so.

Despite this wonderful package you read before you, I'm not totally infallible....

 

[Dove]

You missed the point of my mock (but then you always do). It isn't the growing method that matters.
..Your local pesticiding farm is no more nor less safe from this particular microbe than the organic one.

No one is saying its the "growing method". But irrigation plays a part, soil, handling, storing and shipping and those bagged salads get bacteria and contamination all the time.

Im saying its on purpose and "big salad" is trying to kill us. Im just saying you are more likely to get contaminated food from commercail brands ....especially bagged greens....then you are a from a local farmer who has good irrigation methods and runs a clean ship. Obviously if its a crappy farmer who doesnt care, yeah you can get sick.

But I also know that there is ZERO link to Rochester/Troy Farmers markets and im familiar with who I buy from.

It isnt just greens im anal about. Im just the same over meat. Im horrified by meat production so I buy meat also from local butchers. It comes with no animal cruelty and less likely to get sick.

 

[Holliday 3000]

No one is saying its the "growing method"

Not us....we are okay. I only buy organic

Otay

 

[Frood]

Another thing a true blue upstate Michigander will do during wintertime is buy new wool socks and wear them for a few days between washes, until the 15th day, when they become less softer.... so you wash them a final time (in a eucalyptus oil based wash), dry them out, and stuff them in between the lap board walls and the logs of your hunting cabin.... slowly over years, until your cabin naturally breathes and releases extreme heat or cold as necessary...

 

[Dove]

I always have a junk drawer and a bag of bags.

 

[Holliday 3000]

 

[Admin.]

Dude bagged salads and greens are ALWAYS having recalls. Its one of the most recalled products we get.

Ecoli....lysteria....all kinds of bacteria.

You are being a dick about this over politics because now the shit virus is going to be partisan. So now "politcal medicine" again from the people who thought Ivermectin was a horse paste.

Bagged salads are not ALWAYS getting recalled, they are only more noticeable because when you and a few of your neighbors catch e coli or salmonella from the nice family at the local farmers market it doesn't make the national news cycle. I can't find anyone saying that farmers market organic or even home grown veggies are inherently safer, than "Bagged Salads" the only advantage they have is like what Frood said about a few more hands being involved, but that is at best only a marginal impact, The producer getting blamed for this outbreak Taylor Farms produces something like 40% of the nations produce, why aren't bagged salads getting recalled everyday? So far the outbreak has only impacted 5 states. So clearly it's not all Taylor Farms Produce involved. If eating organic or home grown or farmers market produce floats your boat, knock yourself out....you may actually be slightly safer. I repeat, slightly. Like you are slightly safer driving 100 MPH than you are driving 120 MPH.

 

[Frood]

Bagged salads are not ALWAYS getting recalled, they are only more noticeable because when you and a few of your neighbors catch e coli or salmonella form the line family at the local farmers market it doesn't make the national news cycle. I can't find anyone saying that farmers market organic or even home grown veggies are inherently safer, than "Bagged Salads" the only advantage they have is like what Frood said about a few more hands being involved, but that is at best only a marginal impact, The producer getting blamed for this outbreak Taylor Farms produces something like 40% of the nations produce, why aren't bagged salads getting recalled everyday? So far the outbreak has only impacted 5 states. So clearly it's not all Taylor Farms Produce involved. If eating organic or home grown or farmers market produce floats your boat, knock yourself out....you may actually be slightly safer.

I believe Admin just admitted to being a salad picker... at Taylor Farms... and he didn't wash his hands, mouth, and throat before he started his shifts weeks ago.