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On the
crowd chart, Barack Obama is placed in the authoritarian right quadrant with coordinates around 6.0 for economic (right-wing) and 6.0 for social/authority (authoritarian).
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Key Details on Obama's Placement
- The Official Stance: The creators of the
Political Compass website
place mainstream American politicians—including Barack Obama and his Republican opponents—tightly clustered in the upper-right (authoritarian right/conservative) quadrant when viewed from a global or European political perspective.
The Tyee +1- Economic Score (~6.0): This reflects his support for capitalist economic systems, corporate structures, and market-based policies rather than socialist economics.
- Social/Authoritarian Score (~6.0): This reflects policies from his administration regarding national security, continued or expanded executive surveillance authorities (like certain FISA provisions), and drone strikes, which the test categorizes on the authoritarian side of the social axis.
- Context vs. U.S. Perception: While he is viewed domestically in the U.S. as a liberal or center-left figure, the Political Compass model places him on the right side of its global economic scale because mainstream American politics generally centers around capitalist governance.
President Obama will leave behind plenty of populist rhetoric, but his record on economic policy is eight years of corporatism.
For two terms, Obama grew the government’s role in the economy, often in concert with big business, and usually to its benefit. If President-elect Trump was aided by the perception that Washington rigs the game in favor of the big guys, Obama’s consistent corporatism is a key culprit.
The phrase “crony capitalism” became popular on the Right during the Obama years, but it’s a little off-target as a criticism of Obama. Crony capitalism connotes doing favors for friends and hurting enemies. Did some of that go on under Obama? Of course. (See the Clinton Global Initiative, for instance.)
But mostly, Obama wasn’t doling out quid-pro-quo goodies as much as he was creating an economic system — of more regulations, more mandates, more subsidies — that favored the big guys.
Obama’s corporatist streak revealed itself early with his pick of Tim Geithner, a chief author of the Wall Street bailouts, as treasury secretary. In crafting the Troubled Asset Relief Program under President Bush and implementing it under President Obama, Geithner wasn’t simply trying to stop panic and ward off a meltdown. He was trying to make sure the post-crisis financial sector looked a lot like the pre-crisis one. That is, Geithner wasn’t just trying to save the economy, he was trying to save the big banks.
Big banks have many virtues. An economy without Bank of America and Wells Fargo, and with a smaller JP Morgan would lack some things. It also might be a financial sector less in danger of systemic meltdown, and with more competition. Geithner probably saw that trade-off, but he thought the liquidity and the particular type of stability provided by the big guys was too important to give up.
Obama and Geithner’s bailouts and regulations helped widen the moat that protects the big guys from competition, and helped make the big banks more or less immortal. It would be easy to call it Wall Street cronyism, but financial corporatism is more precise.
Obama’s stimulus, in his second month, was a giant raft of subsidies for everyone from the concrete pourers to the computer makers to the solar-panel peddlers. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce endorsed this massive spending bill.
Obamacare was another exercise in corporatism. Hammered out in the back room with the drug lobby and the hospital lobby, Obamacare directly (and perhaps deliberately) has driven consolidation among hospitals and insurers. The law includes subsidies for hospitals, mandates to buy private insurance, plus protections and subsidies for drug companies. No wonder the drug lobby celebrated the law’s passage and pledged money to re-elect Democratic senators who voted for it. No wonder insurers and hospitals defended it in court.
When are you going to come back and 'splain at us and at Trump how the United States Government doesn't even know what form of Government it is?
A democracy or a republic? History shows that some Americans are asking the wrong question
It does not matter what system is in place.
Some people will have power.
People like Blandy and Admin will not.
Systems are like people, all are fallible. All are reprehensible.
Some people will have power.
People like Blandy and Admin will not.
"reprehensible"
And why does Blandy think that?
Oh Blandy, you really are a simple man.
And you are a Canadian fighting in your own small way for American fascism.
A traitor to your own country.
@Dove How come Trump doesn't know we're not a Democracy?When are you going to come back and 'splain at us and at Trump how the United States Government doesn't even know what form of Government it is?
A democracy or a republic? History shows that some Americans are asking the wrong question
You should ask Adam if he'll sell you one of his wigs, and some high heels.It does not matter what system is in place.
Some people will have power.
People like Blandy and Admin will not.
You should ask Adam if he'll sell you one of his wigs, and some high heels.
Look everyone! Marty has a new avatar. It's always appropriate for Leftist Filth like Marty to acknowledge their support for diabolical evil.TDS will be those defending or just not giving a fuck that Kimberly Guilfoyle was just outed for seeking $100,000 to pay American Express credit card bills in exchange for getting the Trump administration's attention on tax and legal issues for Eric Deters...days before her confirmation hearing as U.S. ambassador to Greece.
Conservative = SatanistLook everyone! Marty has a new avatar. It's always appropriate for Leftist Filth like Marty to acknowledge their support for diabolical evil.
Could be he isn't as stupid as his MAGA supporters.@Dove How come Trump doesn't know we're not a Democracy?
That's a troubling thought, but it's probably true.Could be he isn't as stupid as his MAGA supporters.
. You know, there's a reason he loves the poorly educated.
...or
As he says, "smart people don't like us".
Conservatives are good and wholesome, Holliday. It is Leftists who suck the Devil's red cock and call it something worthy of Pride and a parade in June.Conservative = Satanist
MAGA = Satan's minion
In his case it's a Halloween costume.
In yours it's everyday wear.
I'm sorry, Reggie, I don't make the Law I only do my best to live according to it - that is why I am not a conservative (aka Satanist). Now, a "leftist" meaning commie (it's only meaning) is also a conservative in its own rite, so I grade your post as 50%, which is still an F-.Conservatives are good and wholesome, Holliday. It is Leftists who suck the Devil's red cock and call it something worthy of Pride and a parade in June.
Look everyone! Marty has a new avatar. It's always appropriate for Leftist Filth like Marty to acknowledge their support for diabolical evil.
Otay, Buckwheat. You go with that.I'm sorry, Reggie, I don't make the Law I only do my best to live according to it - that is why I am not a conservative (aka Satanist). Now, a "leftist" meaning commie (it's only meaning) is also a conservative in its own rite, so I grade your post as 50%, which is still an F-.
Of course you have, Marty. Tell us about the movie man coming to the park again?Hey, brain damage! You seem incredibly ass chapped over how much I've exposed your diminished mental capacity since arriving on these boards
Don't worry too much about it! Everyone was already aware lol
None, I always vote (not to imply, of course, that I am participating in democracy) in person, and now-a-day with this new fangled system, early though never often.So, how many mail in ballots have you sent in so far?
Of course you have, Marty. Tell us about the movie man coming to the park again?
I think you're lying. All Democrat Filth vote early, often and even after Election Day.None, I always vote (not to imply, of course, that I am participating in democracy) in person, and now-a-day with this new fangled system, early though never often.
Holy Smokes! Two whole poasts with you muttering your signature phrase.You ok, little buddy? Has your home health care worker been by yet this evening to empty your drool cup and rub some Desitin on that chapped ass??
..and how would I know?All Democrat Filth vote early, often and even after Election Day.