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This touches on something that some people like Senile @Joe do not seem to understand. He will look at just the charts, and see an annualized return of 7.58% because he is only looking at the value of the index. But, and I told Senile @Joe this a while ago, to fully appreciate all the profits, you need to consider the dividends. That 7.58% is misleading, because it excludes dividends. By reinvesting dividends, investors can expect over 10% annual gains over time.
But the bailouts for billionaires (a trillion a day pumped into the stock market in 2008 while average people lost homes, etc.) was spot fucking on. The stock market gambles of the obscenely wealthy get underwritten by the USA treasury; the rest of us take our chances.
...funny thing is... I addressed this thread ta you.
However, @Lily of Denial appears ta have taken it more personally than you. Maybe Rancid too.
Butcha know Prowler, I checked the Globe and Mail and all of the major Stock Market indices were down today, eh? TSX, DOW, S&P, NASDAQ .... ? And Bitcoin too got hammered, eh?
They were all havin' a bad day....
....except....fer GOLD @The Prowler !
I bought some Gold 'n Silver on the weekend anticipatin' a bounce when the markets opened today. particularly with that Iran attack on Israel.
Guess what? Went up today. Those were virtually the only things that went up.
Bitcoin really took a hit.
Y'know @The Prowler I might be interested in jumping into the markets if I saw a 'break in the sky'...that is a downturn of at least 20%. Maybe in 2025 after the US election & the dust has settled?
I'm not sure if there'll be this massive crash a la 2008 or 2000 like many investors on the sidelines are hoping for - so they can jump and gobble up massive deals.
I'm also not sure how far gold and silver will go up or if at all.
Here's one opinion who states the high for this year has already been reached ($2400 US/ounce) and there could be a significant pullback in the price to about $2100 per ounce:
Caroline Bain, Chief Commodity Economist at Capital Economics, said in a report published Friday that although she is bullish on gold for this year, the price has run well beyond expectations, and she expects prices to fall back to earth by the end of the year.Bain said she is maintaining her year-end gold price target of $2,100 an ounce. At the same time, she sees silver prices ending the year at around $26 an ounce.
So by no means am I gloating.
However, I am second guessing this one analyst a bit, and think gold could still go a bit higher. Possibly up to $2700 US per ounce? And a pullback price of between $2400-2500 per ounce? I don't believe these YouTube videos which claim Gold will reach $5,000 - $10,000 a ounce this year or the Sky's the Limit.
Even $3,000 is stretching it - but that price point between $2900-3000 isn't outside the realm of possibility. However I think even that is remote.
Any event, I try not to inject my biases into anything - even when I see gains in my investments.
Just always expect the worst and be willing to lose within a margin of calculated risk. How much should an Investor be willing to lose on this investment if it goes South or Nowhere? 10%? 20%? 30%?
Seems some bitcoin investors are willing to lose 50,60,70% if bitcoin tanks. Admittedly, I'm not willing to accept that kind of loss so I wouldn't want to invest in high-risk entities like that.
Holy fuck, Senile @Joe, you should have been worrying about this stuff 20-40 years ago.
An old man like you should be enjoying his retirement, not worrying about investments.
Senile @Joe, I have a good amount of precious metals. I just sit on it, year after year. I am pretty diversified.
I missed the boat on crypto though. The whole blockchain thing bugs me. On one hand, we are supposed to be worried about the environment, on the other....blockchain!?!!?? It is such a drain on energy. It baffles me that the climate change crowd gives crypto a free pass.
And yet...if the markets tank like many are predicting....what's the difference if they decline 40% or more & a person spent 40 years or more accumulating it?
Just like someone who likened the Stock Market to a gambling casino - it doesn't really matter what day, year, time of the day you enter through the door. There's always another play, another gambling session.
A person could lose everything or most of it in the blink of an eye in minutes...or they could make a lot depending on the circumstances.
Just like bitcoin, there's no sense in buying high.
You see, I think you're fixated on the last 40 years @The Prowler - that is past performance equal future performance. But the next 40 probably won't be like that. World's def changing.
You recently mocked me for paying $4200 for a gold coin set. Turns out, it's retailing for $5000 or more and a dealer would be willing to pay me a minimum of $4600 for it at today's market prices.
I mean that's not gangbusters, but it's not a bad potential return if I choose to sell, get $400 or around 10%. That'd be like getting a 3 month GIC at 10% return. And it has the potential to go much higher in a year or 2. In which case, what was the point in using that $4200 to buy a GIC at 5 even 6%?
Now of course I'm by no means suggesting that people should go 100% in gold. But it's just a way of diversifying eh.
And if gold continues to go up this year and next while the stock market tanks, may as well stay in gold, sell it when it goes higher and then invest in the stock market if it happens to correct or fall back.
Why bother to buy into the stock market right now if it's weak or fragile?
Seems it's better to pile into an appreciating asset like gold (while it's still good) and sell it in the future and then invest in another (stocks) when it's on a decline. That way combined with a 20% rise in gold and a 20% decline in the stocks an Investor might pay 40% less or more than he would if he buys high or at the top/near top of the market right now Prowler.
Gold isn't gonna surge forever. I'm aware of that. It's just having it's day in the sun. But at some point, it's probably wise to unload/sell and then buy something else.
Might be a bit late this year to buy inta gold. But then again I'm not sure. For the most part, I'm probably finished buying most of it for rest of the year.
I started buying last year when it was around $1700 US an ounce. Now it's hovering around $2400.
Holy fuck, Senile @Joe, you should have been worrying about this stuff 20-40 years ago.
An old man like you should be enjoying his retirement, not worrying about investments.
Anyways @The Prowler the 2020s looks or is looking a lot like the 1970s.
High double digit inflation, double dip recession, big increase in commodities and the price of gold, wars/black swan events everywhere especially the Middle East. The same flash points. Israel. Iran.
Maybe there'll be no stock market crash, but inflation will eat away at its gains so in reality there'll be no gains, just stagflation.
It's just history repeating itself.
That's one advantage of being OLD - you remember what came before and you can see a pattern emerges, eh.
Well, given your logic I wouldn't pile into the stock market right now @The Prowler. If something has peaked for the time being & even stagnating with the possibility of a steep decline in the near future, the wise trader would wait for the right moment to jump and buy again.If you would have planned your life better, Senile @Joe, you would not have to worry so much about your financial position now, in your later years.
Well, given your logic I wouldn't pile into the stock market right now @The Prowler. If something has peaked for the time being & even stagnating with the possibility of a steep decline in the near future, the wise trader would wait for the right moment to jump and buy again.
Likewise if Gold peaks and is set for a decline, why would anyone pile into it if the time isn't right? But of course we have the opposite set of conditions right now. Weak stock market. Weak US Dollar. Strong Gold.
I could pile into the stock market right now, but why bother?
Even the Big Players/investors are getting out for now, parking their money in cash, gold and other commodities.
Y'know Prowler I've had time to analyze your investment strategy and ideological bent, and given your beliefs, if you truly believe in 'the free market' and 'capitalism', then commodities trading as opposed to stocks is closer to those ideals. Because at least in the commodities market, it is subject to the forces of the market. Gold, silver, wheat, oil whatever actually goes up according to the laws of supply and demand.
However your stock market is a rigged illusions, and heavily manipulated. The puppet masters used their algorithms, AI to fool you into thinking that you are playing in an open free market whereas it's just what @Garraty_47 indicated to you. It's just like a gambling casino where the house sets the rules and if you make too much offa them or they're on the ropes, they suspend gambling/trading and close the joint down.
What kinda FREE MARKET is that, Prowler?
Even Big Investors like Jim Cramer have said that it's all rigged in which case the Stock Market is a Big Joke.
As I've told you many times @The Prowler.
I'm just average - like this retired immigrated Canadian couple:
I have never claimed to you or others that I am rich.
Senile@Joe, you have shown time and time again that you do not understand the stock market. Owning stock in a company is owning a share of ownership of the company.
If the company does well, so will the stock.
You are a short term thinker with a short memory and a shorter attention span.
But that being said, there definitely are times to Invest and refrain.
All Investing is a form of gambling and speculation @The Prowler.
Whatever we invest in, we project our hopes that something will go up in value and make us wealthier. But just because we hope that something will go our way, doesn't mean it will.
I honestly do not believe the stock market is the place to be right now Prowler. Mind you, this could change in the future (not sure when) but it's the time to be somewhere else right now. Whether you realize it or not Prowler, many equities are getting hammered by STAGFLATION just like 50 years ago.
Currently gold and other commodities seem to be the place to be. As I told you, this mirrors the economic situation in the 1970s. I remember that time, so I'm just implementing a strategy that others successfully deployed back then.
Lately I got lucky with Gold and it appears to be on a tear.
Actually where I got my information about the possible rise in gold in 2023 was from YouTube. I would just tune into these YouTube channels last year, and they were warning about economic troubles to hit the US economy and its impact on Gold price. So I started buying in at $1700 per ounce, which appears to be the trough of the cycle. I think I started buying at the BOTTOM of the cycle. People who'd thrown in the towel on Gold did so somewhat early and have missed out on its recent gains.
I think that Gold may have some room to move up, so there may still be gains to be made.
Yes. they do.They never mentioned their Net Worth, Senile @Joe.
You've been provided with the easy life.
Unlike yourself I certainly don't laugh at their predicaments.
So I feel very fortunate to own ANY.
Do you know where I keep my gold, Senile @Joe?
What is your Net Worth, Senile @Joe?
However, what I know is that while your Corvette continues to depreciate, the Gold I bought last year continues to appreciate @The Prowler.
So while your car is worth 20% less than when you bought it, my gold is worth 20% more and I didn't pay Sales Tax on most of it, eh? I jes' have to sit on it and it continues ta make money while I sleep Prowler.
You/your car goes DOWN in value while my Gold keeps goin' up dumb Prowler.
So what would you rather have? $100,000 worth of Gold which keeps APPRECIATING IN value?
Or a $100,000 Corvette which keeps DEPRECIATING in value and loses at least 10% per year?
As far as Cars go, you sure bought the wrong one Prowler.
If I spent $100,000 on a car or cars, I'd make damn sure the things could at least HOLD/STORE their value or even go up, eh?
Next time ya consider buyin' a car, check out the Hagerty Index, dumb Prowler.
Remember, when ya buy, think smart, not dumb, Dumb Prowler.
Cuz I think you paid too much for your car(s) Prowler.
You paid WAY Too much.
Senile @Joe, you do not understand the difference between
A) investing
B) spending money on needs/convenience
C) spending money for pleasure
Your gold is about 100% A).
My Corvette is about 10% B) and 90% C).
My Corvette is about 10% B) and 90% C).
From a financial standpoint, that doesn't seem like a very good investment Prowler.