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Jim Beam

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So looking forward to all 75 million that will wonder what happened to all those promises.
I'd imagine they'd feel a lot like all of those feminists did in 2011 when it was painfully obvious Obama had allowed the perfect opportunity to codify Roe Vs Wade slip through his fingers.

they got over it apparently. And so will we.

But thank you for your concern none-the-less
 

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So if you are not blaming Trump then the verifiable facts are that his presidency enjoyed a booming economy. Low inflation. Low crime, no wars and allegiance to the rule of law.

All of the things those 75+ million Americans voted to return to.

Thank you for cornering yourself, dear.
WHat? How did you possibly connect the FACT that I didn't blame Trump for the pandemic to a claim that there were no wars (WTF?) under Trump, that the economy was booming (it's actually booming better now AND workers are making more than they did under Trump) there was low crime (Yeah, the pandemic sent crime stats through the roof. Hmmmm. Wait. Was that Biden's fault, or Trump's? Or maybe the capitalists system's?) and allegiance to the rule of law? WTF? Are you claiming that about TRUMP??????? LMAO.

Dude! What the actual fuck?
 

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So if you are not blaming Trump then the verifiable facts are that his presidency enjoyed a booming economy. Low inflation. Low crime, no wars and allegiance to the rule of law.

All of the things those 75+ million Americans voted to return to.

Thank you for cornering yourself, dear.
No. That is not in any way a logical conclusion to my claim. What are you talking about?

I feel bad for you. You seem fundamentally very intelligent, but something has caused you to be completely illogical. I am guessing there is some sort of extreme trauma in your life. I hope you find a way to heal yourself and stop being such a dupe.
 

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No. That is not in any way a logical conclusion to my claim. What are you talking about?

I feel bad for you. You seem fundamentally very intelligent, but something has caused you to be completely illogical. I am guessing there is some sort of extreme trauma in your life. I hope you find a way to heal yourself and stop being such a dupe.
I'm sorry you want it both ways but cannot have. That is the reality of life. Get used to it.
 

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WHat? How did you possibly connect the FACT that I didn't blame Trump for the pandemic to a claim that there were no wars (WTF?) under Trump, that the economy was booming (it's actually booming better now AND workers are making more than they did under Trump) there was low crime (Yeah, the pandemic sent crime stats through the roof. Hmmmm. Wait. Was that Biden's fault, or Trump's? Or maybe the capitalists system's?) and allegiance to the rule of law? WTF? Are you claiming that about TRUMP??????? LMAO.

Dude! What the actual fuck?
Are you seriously unable to see the point?

Are you in an assisted living situation? I fear for your personal safety if you are not.
 

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Are you seriously unable to see the point?

Are you in an assisted living situation? I fear for your personal safety if you are not.
I see the point you want to float. But, your point is utterly and completely fallacious.

Let me spell it out for you:

YOU falsely claiming I said the pandemic and its reverberations were Trump's fault has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not it is true that Biden caused the rise in prices worldwide, which, obviously he did not. It's just not connected in any way. And it proves nothing except that you made a false claim about me, and you continue to try to float an unrelated false claim about Biden.
 

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Trump fucked himself, along with the fools who voted for him

Ana Navarro said her rich friends in Florida (Trump supporters),called her worried that they were going to lose their undocumented nannies. They were worried about what they were going to do.

She told her friends, "learn to wipe their ass."

Or dish out for an "au pair", I say. Where you have to pay decent wages.
 

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I see the point you want to float. But, your point is utterly and completely fallacious.

Let me spell it out for you:

YOU falsely claiming I said the pandemic and its reverberations were Trump's fault has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not it is true that Biden caused the rise in prices worldwide, which, obviously he did not. It's just not connected in any way. And it proves nothing except that you made a false claim about me, and you continue to try to float an unrelated false claim about Biden.
You make the blanket statement that 75+ million of your fellow Americans are stupid for harboring beliefs which differ from your own and you wish to pontificate to me about what is and what is not completely fallacious?

Have you no ability to self reflect?

Let's assume for one second that you have never personally blamed Trump for the consequences of a worldwide pandemic. Good for you, I admire your willingness to see the truth. But Have you ever once corrected one of your cohorts on this very forum as they run rampant with such a narrative? Have you ever once stood up to be counted among those who say blame the man for what he is at fault for but I will not follow you down ever dark path you travel just for the sake of getting him. Have you taken a stand and withdrawn your support for the people disseminating such a misleading narrative?

if the answer is no then you are just as guilty as those around you espousing such misinformation. Remember the old saying? Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who YOU are.
 

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You make the blanket statement that 75+ million of your fellow Americans are stupid for harboring beliefs which differ from your own and you wish to pontificate to me about what is and what is not completely fallacious?

Have you no ability to self reflect?

Let's assume for one second that you have never personally blamed Trump for the consequences of a worldwide pandemic. Good for you, I admire your willingness to see the truth. But Have you ever once corrected one of your cohorts on this very forum as they run rampant with such a narrative? Have you ever once stood up to be counted among those who say blame the man for what he is at fault for but I will not follow you down ever dark path you travel just for the sake of getting him. Have you taken a stand and withdrawn your support for the people disseminating such a misleading narrative?

if the answer is no then you are just as guilty as those around you espousing such misinformation. Remember the old saying? Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who YOU are.
Did you ever once do that for anything Biden ever did? Come on. Don't expect me to be above reproof when you do not hold yourself to such standards.

And none of what you accuse me of is justification for voting for such an ignorant and mentally ill candidate. None of it.
 

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Did you ever once do that for anything Biden ever did? Come on. Don't expect me to be above reproof when you do not hold yourself to such standards.

And none of what you accuse me of is justification for voting for such an ignorant and mentally ill candidate. None of it.

And you're not responsible for the posts of anyone else left of center. Especially not on a troll forum called Bastard Factory.
 

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I do blame him for the handling of the pandemic...and so did the American people in 2020.

He should have done a better job and he would have won the election in 2020.
He did do a shit job of handling it. But Jim Beam was accusing me and all liberals here of holding Trump responsible for the pandemic. That kind of intellectual dishonesty really pisses me off.
 

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Did you ever once do that for anything Biden ever did? Come on. Don't expect me to be above reproof when you do not hold yourself to such standards.

And none of what you accuse me of is justification for voting for such an ignorant and mentally ill candidate. None of it.
We find ourselves at a threshold it seams. At the brink of a true and honest discussion.

So here is my commitment to you. You disclose a Biden accomplishment which I should have acknowledged and I will examine it openly, objectively and without bias. If the facts are were you say they are I will give him the credit where the credit is due and apologize to you for not acknowledging them in the first place.

And of course am going to expect the same courtesy extended to me in return when I outline a trump accomplishment

Can we agree to debate this isolated vein of a broader argument with civility and fairness aligned to the parameters I just described?

And as an added courtesy to your side I will pledge to ignore the drooling wombats seeking to undercut your argument with their low intellects and inability to control themselves as grown people are conversing

do we have a deal?
 

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We find ourselves at a threshold it seams. At the brink of a true and honest discussion.

So here is my commitment to you. You disclose a Biden accomplishment which I should have acknowledged and I will examine it openly, objectively and without bias. If the facts are were you say they are I will give him the credit where the credit is due and apologize to you for not acknowledging them in the first place.

And of course am going to expect the same courtesy extended to me in return when I outline a trump accomplishment

Can we agree to debate this isolated vein of a broader argument with civility and fairness aligned to the parameters I just described?

And as an added courtesy to your side I will pledge to ignore the drooling wombats seeking to undercut your argument with their low intellects and inability to control themselves as grown people are conversing

do we have a deal?
All I see is FAIL!
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The cost of food, housing, fuel, and utilities have gone up all over the world. Do you fools have any idea why? Biden's fault?
Americans are always used to getting their way @LotusBud

And finally when as you point out, they get a taste of what other countries go through they lose it by electing an extremist.
 

Jim Beam

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We find ourselves at a threshold it seams. At the brink of a true and honest discussion.

So here is my commitment to you. You disclose a Biden accomplishment which I should have acknowledged and I will examine it openly, objectively and without bias. If the facts are were you say they are I will give him the credit where the credit is due and apologize to you for not acknowledging them in the first place.

And of course am going to expect the same courtesy extended to me in return when I outline a trump accomplishment

Can we agree to debate this isolated vein of a broader argument with civility and fairness aligned to the parameters I just described?

And as an added courtesy to your side I will pledge to ignore the drooling wombats seeking to undercut your argument with their low intellects and inability to control themselves as grown people are conversing

do we have a deal?
The silence is deafening and tells the whole story.
 

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How does Trump do eet? Only elected 7 Days ago and he is already lowering grocery prices, before he was actually elected!!!

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Just think how much lower they will get after a massive tax increase of them!


For those who were homeschooled, 2020 being the Final Year Of Potus Term 45.

Trouble soon be over!