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Yes, there are actual photographs of Sarah Baartman, though not in the traditional sense of a photograph taken in a modern studio setting. There are engravings and possibly a few more photographs or portraits created after her death.

While she did not allow herself to be exhibited nude, the engravings of Baartman during her lifetime depict her in a tight-fitting garment. There are also possibly a few other photographs or portraits created after her death.

In 1810, Baartman appeared in London and was described as wearing a garment, albeit a tight-fitting one. An account of her appearance in London is available on Wikipedia.


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Yes, there are actual photographs of Sarah Baartman, though not in the traditional sense of a photograph taken in a modern studio setting. There are engravings and possibly a few more photographs or portraits created after her death.

While she did not allow herself to be exhibited nude, the engravings of Baartman during her lifetime depict her in a tight-fitting garment. There are also possibly a few other photographs or portraits created after her death.

In 1810, Baartman appeared in London and was described as wearing a garment, albeit a tight-fitting one. An account of her appearance in London is available on Wikipedia.


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I don't know that I trust European accounts of anything where they were exploiting people.
 

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Most black people don't have derrieres that are that large. But they do have rounder and higher butts than most white people.

I don't know what "medical" condition that it, but you're sounding awfully judgmental.

I asked google if ass is relative to race and the ai said nah.

But it's good to know even though you swear off the ass, you are still into looking at it!

I would say, made ya look!, but you already admitted to it.

LOL giiiirrrllllll
 

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I asked google if ass is relative to race and the ai said nah.

But it's good to know even though you swear off the ass, you are still into looking at it!

I would say, made ya look!, but you already admitted to it.

LOL giiiirrrllllll

When did I say I didn't look at male backsides? Yeah, never.

Looking at a shapely and muscular butt and appreciating it is not the same as sticking my face into a place where shit comes out of.

There is a difference between butt cheeks and sphincters, you know that, right?
 

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That... no?
Something about it just doesn't seem right.

I can acknowledge the suck... I'll give it that much.
But embrace it? I don't think that's good.
It can't be good, can it?
No. Not good. Can't do it.



I prefer my epiphanies to have less association with death and/or loss, thanks. But look at the bright side: more for you! Yay.

I embrace the suck all the time. I'm a sarcastic optimist through & through.

I keep my expectations low so as to never be disappointed and adhere to murhpy's law like it was machiavellian or martial law.

Like Buce Banner said in Avengers, "I'm always angry."
Be angry or be hungry but be prepared to fight because life plays dirty and doesn't give a flying fuck about feelings.

I'm not the person who says god's plan was to take a loved one away but I know we're all going away so I'd rather be prepared for the worst than just hope for the best.

And find fun in the dumbest stuff you have to do (Like work to earn a living? What the hell?) or you'll go crazy.
 

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When did I say I didn't look at male backsides? Yeah, never.

Looking at a shapely and muscular butt and appreciating it is not the same as sticking my face into a place where shit comes out of.

There is a difference between butt cheeks and sphincters, you know that, right?

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop, Tootsie?

The center is there for a reason.

The clit has 8,000 nerve endings.

The frenulum or underside of the penis right behind the head has 8,000 nerve endings.

The sphincter has.... take a guess Lily Babe?

8,000 nerve endings.

It's the holiest holy whole hole of the trilogy of erogeneity!

Coincidence? Methinks not. Or naught. Or naughty for two thousand, Alex.

Base camp. Plant your tongue and stay awhile.

Research isn't just for scientists. It's for in defense of eating the ass.

Tis truly a shame I have to stand up for all those kneeling down asseaters everywhere.

But I'd rather argue a personal preference with you Lily than argue why any single skin tone matters more.

Because ass is fun but racism is ass.

Hola!
 

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How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop, Tootsie?

The center is there for a reason.

The clit has 8,000 nerve endings.

The frenulum or underside of the penis right behind the head has 8,000 nerve endings.

The sphincter has.... take a guess Lily Babe?

8,000 nerve endings.

It's the holiest holy whole hole of the trilogy of erogeneity!

Coincidence? Methinks not. Or naught. Or naughty for two thousand, Alex.

Base camp. Plant your tongue and stay awhile.

Research isn't just for scientists. It's for in defense of eating the ass.

Tis truly a shame I have to stand up for all those kneeling down asseaters everywhere.

But I'd rather argue a personal preference with you Lily than argue why any single skin tone matters more.

Because ass is fun but racism is ass.

Hola!

Hola?

I don't care how many nerve endings it has.

No, thanks! Hard pass.
 

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And find fun in the dumbest stuff you have to do (Like work to earn a living? What the hell?) or you'll go crazy.

It's true I am amused by absurdity which was a stroke of damn good luck because on this planet that means I never have to stop laughing unless I want to.

I also agree it's a fundamentally dirty trick to play on a sentient being: inflict this "civilization" on them without invitation or acquiescence then demand they "earn" the privilege of living in it. Our species has become the literal embodiment of a pyramid scheme and the day is fast approaching when a generation is going to be left holding the proverbial bag of shite.

The whole thing is absurd, therefore hilarious.

In a dark, tragic way.
 

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Hola?

I don't care how many nerve endings it has.

No, thanks! Hard pass.

I meant holla!

Like, heeeeyyyyy! Pronounced like a gay.

Good to see even though you ain't moderator anymore, you still engage a bum like me like you're still locked into mod status wherein every poster is traffic so engage them rather than silent treatment ignore.

Glad you're stepping out of your comfort zone.

As for a tongue getting on an ass's nerves.

Every asshole has feelings too!

We agree to disagree then.

Thank-you for participating in this worthless debate at the expense of your valuable time and my whatever I have left of my own trivial self indulgence.

It means alot to me. Like assworthy!
 

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I meant holla!

Like, heeeeyyyyy! Pronounced like a gay.

Good to see even though you ain't moderator anymore, you still engage a bum like me like you're still locked into mod status wherein every poster is traffic so engage them rather than silent treatment ignore.

Glad you're stepping out of your comfort zone.

As for a tongue getting on an ass's nerves.

Every asshole has feelings too!

We agree to disagree then.

Thank-you for participating in this worthless debate at the expense of your valuable time and my whatever I have left of my own trivial self indulgence.

It means alot to me. Like assworthy!

Oh, my time isn't as valuable as it used to be. I have oodles to waste.
 

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It's true I am amused by absurdity which was a stroke of damn good luck because on this planet that means I never have to stop laughing unless I want to.

I also agree it's a fundamentally dirty trick to play on a sentient being: inflict this "civilization" on them without invitation or acquiescence then demand they "earn" the privilege of living in it. Our species has become the literal embodiment of a pyramid scheme and the day is fast approaching when a generation is going to be left holding the proverbial bag of shite.

The whole thing is absurd, therefore hilarious.

In a dark, tragic way.

Star Trek is a universe wherein money doesn't exist. People work, not for coin, but for the betterment of society. There are food replicators so no one goes hungry.

And yet...

There is an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation where Captain Picard is just a lowly Ensign. The lowest rank of Starfleet.

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He has food. He has clothing. He has shelter. But his potential is still limited. And he's just as miserable having "everything" as people complaining only the rich have everything. Small minds think alike. Great minds think for themselves.

I don't know if you know what I mean but a world in which everyone has their basic needs met is truly a world which will be just be at the very most... basic.

No matter the ship, there is only ever one captain.

This is the difference I find between sides. One side thinks everyone is a boss captain from the getgo. The other side knows being a boss captain is not all gloss & glam but sacrifice & loss.

Being responsible is not a given. It's taken. With many a personal scar.
 

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A truly sapient species would take certain things as given, like someone who has trained and is experienced with flying an airplane is the person who should do that- not just some random passenger who decides they want to have a go.

If we are to have any chance of evolving we need to do two things: prioritize logic over petty irrational emotions, and stop giving psychopaths/sociopaths authority over us. As long as we as a society are self-centered, led by monsters, and glorify the worst among us we will remain on a trajectory toward complete collapse.
 

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A truly sapient species would take certain things as given, like someone who has trained and is experienced with flying an airplane is the person who should do that- not just some random passenger who decides they want to have a go.

If we are to have any chance of evolving we need to do two things: prioritize logic over petty irrational emotions, and stop giving psychopaths/sociopaths authority over us. As long as we as a society are self-centered, led by monsters, and glorify the worst among us we will remain on a trajectory toward complete collapse.
Everything happens as it was always going to. So if that's how it ends? For the best.
 

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Everything happens as it was always going to. So if that's how it ends? For the best.

I don't believe in predestination.
Cause and effect? Absolutely. Obviously.

But the course of human history being on some sort of cosmic rails that only allow it to travel on one unchangeable path? That's utter nonsense and merely a polite way of declaring one doesn't give any fucks and doesn't accept any responsibility for one's own influence on events beyond the immediate and personal. It's an admission (proud declaration?) of ignorance; a denial of the extent of the complexity involved in plotting humanity's progress -or lack of it.

The trajectory of our species is comprised of the independent entangled and sympathetic trajectories of every individual person. The result isn't a sum of the parts... it's an emergent property that only exists as a product of those billions of contributing variables. It can not be quantified by examination of any one variable just as a model (if it were possible to make one) of the emergent property is useless to predict the actions of all the individuals.

Reducing life, the universe, and everything to "it was meant to be" is intellectual laziness on a scale that's difficult to imagine, much less describe, and it's vastness is rivaled only by its stupidity.
 

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I don't believe in predestination.
Cause and effect? Absolutely. Obviously.

But the course of human history being on some sort of cosmic rails that only allow it to travel on one unchangeable path? That's utter nonsense and merely a polite way of declaring one doesn't give any fucks and doesn't accept any responsibility for one's own influence on events beyond the immediate and personal. It's an admission (proud declaration?) of ignorance; a denial of the extent of the complexity involved in plotting humanity's progress -or lack of it.

The trajectory of our species is comprised of the independent entangled and sympathetic trajectories of every individual person. The result isn't a sum of the parts... it's an emergent property that only exists as a product of those billions of contributing variables. It can not be quantified by examination of any one variable just as a model (if it were possible to make one) of the emergent property is useless to predict the actions of all the individuals.

Reducing life, the universe, and everything to "it was meant to be" is intellectual laziness on a scale that's difficult to imagine, much less describe, and it's vastness is rivaled only by its stupidity.
That's the linear view. The nonlinear view is that we've already made all our decisions, and simply haven't experienced them yet.

It's like a choose-your-own-adventure book that every cognizant being who has ever lived, ever will live, or ever *could* live all wrote together -- and then promptly forgot every word of.

We experience it all in a linear fashion, however. It may feel like chaos -- but it only feels that way. Certainly, we have freedom of choice -- and we've already made them all. But until we reach them, we don't yet know what we chose.
 

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That's the linear view. The nonlinear view is that we've already made all our decisions, and simply haven't experienced them yet.

It's like a choose-your-own-adventure book that every cognizant being who has ever lived, ever will live, or ever *could* live all wrote together -- and then promptly forgot every word of.

We experience it all in a linear fashion, however. It may feel like chaos -- but it only feels that way. Certainly, we have freedom of choice -- and we've already made them all. But until we reach them, we don't yet know what we chose.

That's absurd on its face.

Where and what were "we" when "we" made those choices?
Why did we have to choose?
From whence came the options offered?
Why were there options offered at all?

What you've described is little more than a ridiculously simplistic explanation for predestination that seems to have been created for one purpose: to forestall any questioning of the absurdity of the explanation itself. It packages all the inconsistencies and unexplained bits as "unknowable" and refuses to examine them any further.

It is, again, nothing but intellectual laziness trying to disguise itself as esoteric knowledge.
 

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That's absurd on its face.

Where and what were "we" when "we" made those choices?
Why did we have to choose?
From whence came the options offered?
Why were there options offered at all?

What you've described is little more than a ridiculously simplistic explanation for predestination that seems to have been created for one purpose: to forestall any questioning of the absurdity of the explanation itself. It packages all the inconsistencies and unexplained bits as "unknowable" and refuses to examine them any further.

It is, again, nothing but intellectual laziness trying to disguise itself as esoteric knowledge.

Its the belief that history goes in circles, nothing irrational about that.its either day or night, you just need to look up mah niggas.:ThumbsUp1:
 

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That's absurd on its face.

Where and what were "we" when "we" made those choices?
Why did we have to choose?
From whence came the options offered?
Why were there options offered at all?

What you've described is little more than a ridiculously simplistic explanation for predestination that seems to have been created for one purpose: to forestall any questioning of the absurdity of the explanation itself. It packages all the inconsistencies and unexplained bits as "unknowable" and refuses to examine them any further.

It is, again, nothing but intellectual laziness trying to disguise itself as esoteric knowledge.
Seen from a linear perspective, sure. But free will and predestination aren't mutually exclusive. They're complimentary.
 

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Oh, my time isn't as valuable as it used to be. I have oodles to waste.

May we all live long enough to have time to waste!

Although, I will push back against you about your time not having as much value as you self deem because your responses to me are very valuable to me. And also for the sake of the holy covenant of content!

Or do you feel as though your time replying to me is but a waste but tis okay as you have oodles of time to waste?

No worries. I appreciate even when unappreciated. I'm like Planet Fitness. No judgment zone. I will call you an ardent full-on diehard lesbo in the middle of a man effing you because hilarity must ensue for humanity to continue to human.

I feel like if I made an assbox post about the joys of eating ass be assbox worthy then I would forever be worthy of eating ass and any assbox confinement would be the least of my worries as I am only rendered to that which I've chosen to enjoy. I.e. analingus vs anilingus? You decide. Choose Your Own Adventure! Not just a book series. But a tongue in cheek tasting like crap!

And where the fuck is Prowler already?

Breaking Bad vs Breaking Boooorrrriiiinnnnnng.