American workers are finally telling the 1% to shove it

[Seamajor]

I really wish you would stop posting with numerous cawks in your mouth, it makes you extremely incoherent.

seriously

Cock in mouth is a lingo you’re familiar with Stubby

 

[Joe]

There are sure a Lotta scrooges here.

Glad I'm not one.

 

[The Prowler]

There are sure a Lotta scrooges here.

Glad I'm not one.

Fuckin' Joe tips $2 at Starbucks and feels like he is making a difference.

Hahahaha!!!!

 

[Joe]

There are sure a Lotta scrooges here.

Glad I'm not one.

Fuckin' Joe tips $2 at Starbucks and feels like he is making a difference.

Hahahaha!!!!

Well, if 100 people in a shift drop in some change, yes it helps.

You can't believe, a loonie or twonie puts a smile on their faces, Prower.

And I think most people don't tip.

so I make an effort to give them something.

 

[The Prowler]

What a saint.

$2 is pretty cheap to get that feeling of superiority as you look down on the poor buggers and expect them to smile in gratitude.

 

[DDT]

Starbucks should be tipping me to drink their burnt tasting crap!

 

[Joe]

What a saint.

$2 is pretty cheap to get that feeling of superiority as you look down on the poor buggers and expect them to smile in gratitude.

No. I don't look down upon anyone working in those jobs, Prowler.

But it seems that you, Lokmar and others do.

There's nothing wrong with making a living at those jobs.

We hold all these people who work in offices in such high esteem.

yet I've seen so many men and women who are fat and stodgy in those jobs.

They could actually use a bit of exercise and do those jobs themselves.

why is manual labor considered so low?

Look around you or next time you go shopping wherever, and you'll realize how fat and out of shape most Canadians and Americans are.

Plus, if society doesn't pay them enough, who'll do them?

and where will they live?

I think NYC has a problem because housing is so expensive, they can't find enough low wage workers to do those jobs so they actually had to set up low income housing just for them or else no one would be around to serve them coffee of make their hamburgers for them.

These people are not unimportant and we shouldn't look down upon them Prowler.

We need them.

Yknow historians said that was one reason Rome fell apart cuz the average person got so lazy they couldn't do anything for themselves anymore.

 

[Lily]

What a saint.

$2 is pretty cheap to get that feeling of superiority as you look down on the poor buggers and expect them to smile in gratitude.

No. I don't look down upon anyone working in those jobs, Prowler.

But it seems that you, Lokmar and others do.

There's nothing wrong with making a living at those jobs.

We hold all these people who work in offices in such high esteem.

yet I've seen so many men and women who are fat and stodgy in those jobs.

They could actually use a bit of exercise and do those jobs themselves.

why is manual labor considered so low?

Look around you or next time you go shopping wherever, and you'll realize how fat and out of shape most Canadians and Americans are.

Plus, if society doesn't pay them enough, who'll do them?

and where will they live?

I think NYC has a problem because housing is so expensive, they can't find enough low wage workers to do those jobs so they actually had to set up low income housing just for them or else no one would be around to serve them coffee of make their hamburgers for them.

These people are not unimportant and we shouldn't look down upon them Prowler.

We need them.

Yknow historians said that was one reason Rome fell apart cuz the average person got so lazy they couldn't do anything for themselves anymore.

There is no shame in working manual labor.

 

[DDT]

Does anyone else get explosive toxic sludgy diarrhea when drinking too much Starbucks?

 

[Lily]

Does anyone else get explosive toxic sludgy diarrhea when drinking too much Starbucks?

I don't drink Starbucks if I can help it. I usually can.

 

[DDT]

I try to avoid it as well. Even McDonald's coffee I find superior...

 

[Joe]

Does anyone else get explosive toxic sludgy diarrhea when drinking too much Starbucks?

Maybe their coffee machines need cleaning.

could be a sign of age of the coffee machines and bacteria building up inside their systems.

 

[The Prowler]

Yknow historians said that was one reason Rome fell apart cuz the average person got so lazy they couldn't do anything for themselves anymore.

Yeah, like make a hamburger or brew a pot of coffee.

And what did Oblivious Joe say right before this?

We need them.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!

I do not need McPukes or Starbucks, Joe. You clueless idiot.

 

[The Prowler]

Does anyone else get explosive toxic sludgy diarrhea when drinking too much Starbucks?

I have only ever had Starbucks when I have done business with them and they gave me a coffee and a snack. And I think one time a lady that I play music with brought one over.

I prefer brewing my own coffee.

 

[Joe]

Yknow historians said that was one reason Rome fell apart cuz the average person got so lazy they couldn't do anything for themselves anymore.

Yeah, like make a hamburger or brew a pot of coffee.

And what did Oblivious Joe say right before this?

We need them.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!

I do not need McPukes or Starbucks, Joe. You clueless idiot.

Starbucks, Armani Xchange, Macdonald's, the Levi's store...they're all workers who are part of the service economy, Prowler.

Anyways you seem like such a mean hard hearted person, Prower.

Scrooge is your mentor

ZERO compassion for hardworking people who are trying to put food on the table for their families.

A lot of them have kids.

 

[The Prowler]

Starbucks, Armani Xchange, Macdonald's, the Levi's store...they're all workers who are part of the service economy, Prowler.

Anyways you seem like such a mean hard hearted person, Prower.

Scrooge is your mentor

ZERO compassion for hardworking people who are trying to put food on the table for their families.

A lot of them have kids.

Your words have zero substance, Joe.

None of what you just claimed is evident by anything that I have said.

Learn to read, you stupid fuck.

 

[Joe]

Starbucks, Armani Xchange, Macdonald's, the Levi's store...they're all workers who are part of the service economy, Prowler.

Anyways you seem like such a mean hard hearted person, Prower.

Scrooge is your mentor

ZERO compassion for hardworking people who are trying to put food on the table for their families.

A lot of them have kids.

Your words have zero substance, Joe.

None of what you just claimed is evident by anything that I have said.

Learn to read, you stupid fuck.

You're mean and angry all the time, Prowler.

You have a hard heart.

You oughta do some volunteer work for sick children in need, eh?

Something along those lines.

Grow a heart instead of being a tin man, eh Prowler.

 

[Lily]

Starbucks, Armani Xchange, Macdonald's, the Levi's store...they're all workers who are part of the service economy, Prowler.

Anyways you seem like such a mean hard hearted person, Prower.

Scrooge is your mentor

ZERO compassion for hardworking people who are trying to put food on the table for their families.

A lot of them have kids.

Your words have zero substance, Joe.

None of what you just claimed is evident by anything that I have said.

Learn to read, you stupid fuck.

You're mean and angry all the time, Prowler.

You have a hard heart.

You oughta do some volunteer work for children in need like a children's hospital, eh?

Grow a heart instead of being a tin man, eh Prowler.

I find it interesting that several of these "well-off" posters are quite unhappy and it's evident with the hate that oozes out of them.

Money really doesn't buy happiness.

 

[The Prowler]

You're mean and angry all the time, Prowler.

I might be mean to you, but that is because you are a stupid fucker who does not seem to be able to read other people's posts and understand them.

I have no idea why you think I am angry. When I do things like call you a stupid fuck, it is because you just typed something really fuckin' stupid. I actually enjoy pointing out when you type something really stupid.

It is not only me. A lot of people here call out your stupidity, Joe.

What I find interesting is that when anyone calls out your stupidity, you never seem to try to rationalize the stupid thing you have said.

For example:

You just said
"ZERO compassion for hardworking people who are trying to put food on the table for their families."

I replied:
"Your words have zero substance, Joe.

None of what you just claimed is evident by anything that I have said. "


Why not just show some integrity and try to back up your words, Joe? Give an example of me showing no compassion for hardworking people. You made the claim. Back it up.

 

[The Prowler]

I find it interesting that several of these "well-off" posters are quite unhappy and it's evident with the hate that oozes out of them.

Money really doesn't buy happiness.

Oh give me a break, you hypocrite. I have seen you get dismissive and rude to Joe when you have an exchange with him and he goes off on a meaningless rant with zero substance.

When you do it, it is Joe's fault. When I do it, it is "oozing hate".

The irony is that your warped perspective stems from your own hatred towards me.

Hahahahahaha!!!!

 

[Lily]

I find it interesting that several of these "well-off" posters are quite unhappy and it's evident with the hate that oozes out of them.

Money really doesn't buy happiness.

Oh give me a break, you hypocrite. I have seen you get dismissive and rude to Joe when you have an exchange with him and he goes off on a meaningless rant with zero substance.

When you do it, it is Joe's fault. When I do it, it is "oozing hate".

The irony is that your warped perspective stems from your own hatred towards me.

Hahahahahaha!!!!

When Joe says terrible things about women, I do sometimes question his posts. I don't hate Joe. And if you think my post was only about you - that was your narcissism expressing itself to you.

 

[Joe]

You're mean and angry all the time, Prowler.

I might be mean to you, but that is because you are a stupid fucker who does not seem to be able to read other people's posts and understand them.

I have no idea why you think I am angry. When I do things like call you a stupid fuck, it is because you just typed something really fuckin' stupid. I actually enjoy pointing out when you type something really stupid.

It is not only me. A lot of people here call out your stupidity, Joe.

What I find interesting is that when anyone calls out your stupidity, you never seem to try to rationalize the stupid thing you have said.

For example:

You just said
"ZERO compassion for hardworking people who are trying to put food on the table for their families."

I replied:
"Your words have zero substance, Joe.

None of what you just claimed is evident by anything that I have said. "


Why not just show some integrity and try to back up your words, Joe? Give an example of me showing no compassion for hardworking people. You made the claim. Back it up.

....well then Prowler, what do you propose to boost the standard of living for many workers, particularly those at the low end of the wage scale?

What is YOUR Solution?

Maybe you have one that I'm not aware of.

But so far...you haven't stated what it is.

so I have no inkling what it is.

Tell us...impart your wisdom kindness and compassion on the rest of us.

Then perhaps others will think of you differently, in a better light.

But until you do & you keep making personal attacks on me and others, I'm under the impression you just want to keep the status quo and don't offer any alternatives to help others.

So...prove me wrong & let us know what you think might help these workers.

 

[The Prowler]

When Joe says terrible things about women, I do sometimes question his posts. I don't hate Joe. And if you think my post was only about you - that was your narcissism expressing itself to you.

Your post included me, you goof. I do not care how many other people you were talking about.

And I never suggested that you hate Joe. You were the one who accused other people of "hate".

So why did you get all defensive?

I don't hate Joe.

Interesting....

 

[The Prowler]

The Challenge

Why not just show some integrity and try to back up your words, Joe? Give an example of me showing no compassion for hardworking people. You made the claim. Back it up.

The Failure

....well then Prowler, what do you propose to boost the standard of living for many workers, particularly those at the low end of the wage scale?

What is YOUR Solution?

Maybe you have one that I'm not aware of.

But so far...you haven't stated what it is.

so I have no inkling what it is.

Tell us...impart your wisdom kindness and compassion on the rest of us.

Then perhaps others will think of you differently, in a better light.

But until you do & you keep making personal attacks on me and others, I'm under the impression you just want to keep the status quo and don't offer any alternatives to help others.

So...prove me wrong & let us know what you think might help these workers.

Joe, you have shown that you lack the intellect to discuss much simpler topics. Did you really think I would spend the time and energy to dig deep into something like this?

I showed compassion for the working class when I stated my opinion that something needs to be done to alleviate the widening gap between the middle and upper class:

The gap between upper and middle class is widening. Something needs to be done, but it is much more complicated than what this guy is presenting.

I also stated quite clearly that I think it is a complex problem when we have college grads doing work that high school students are qualified to handle:

This touches on a problem...

Some people are getting an education and they are not qualified for anything but a job at McPukes.

It used to be a job for kids in high school. Now college grads are working there and they expect to be paid a living wage.

It is a complex problem.

I further went on to try to elaborate on some of the changes we are seeing due to advancements in technology and the difficulties that they present:

The entire system is broken. A 40 hour work week makes no sense with the technological advancements we have made. This has caused an excess of workers. With an excess of workers, jobs are in high demand and companies can pay less. People blame the companies, but their goal is to make profit. The middle class is being squeezed down into the lower class.

There are less good paying blue collar jobs like manufacturing jobs because of automation. That should be a good thing, but instead of using those workers in new, innovative ways, we have taken them and put them into jobs like working at McPukes - jobs that used to be filled by teenagers.

I am not even touching on the fact that 40 years ago people with a little less than average intelligence were steered into factory jobs and they were satisfied - even happy - but now, because there are less factory jobs, they are steered into college programs like Liberal Arts programs and when they graduate and wind up doing menial labour they resent it. A large percentage of the population being whiny and disgruntled is not a good thing. See: ANTIFA.

It is a complex problem. If you pay McPuke workers more, it will end up coming out of the customer's pockets. Those are the pockets of the low and middle class. It is self-defeating. If and when the fast food industry shrinks, it will be the lower class jobs that are lost.

The problem is not as simple as just paying fast food employees $15/hour. That will change nothing in the big picture and we are dealing with big picture problems.

So your entire claim that I have not shown compassion is fucking insanely ridiculous.

I actually gave it some real thought. I know this is not the place to have an in-depth discussion. I know that if any decent points are made, some idiot like The Leaker or you will stumble in and send everything off on a tangent. But I did make a bit of an effort to try to explain why I think this is a very complex issue.

You, on the other hand, were intellectually lazy (big surprise there) and offered no original insight whatsoever. The points you made and questions you asked were what I would expect from a 15 year old teenager.

But you win the SJW Merit Badge on this one, Joe.

"Increase minimum wage!! Allow tips!! I tip $2 at Starbucks and they love me for it!!!"

What a fuckin' hero.

 

[Omnipotent]

Burgar King stole 1 weeks full time pay from me when I was 15... they can shove their low paid jobs right up their stinking clackers.... and I hope their luxury yachts sink in shark infested waters.

Merry Christmas

 

[Frood]

...is that Harry McKnackers?

He has often boasted that he is a Libertarian.

I'm a Voluntaryist... a true Libertarian.

You're a fascism supporter when it suits your direction and bank account.

I live free, even if it's safe harboured in my mind for a later time where I pop off, hopefully with millions upon millions of like minded others.

I come from a long line of fighters. I suspect you may have too but they're rolling in their graves if forced to witness your cowardice.

...and that's not a white privilege thing either. I have a lot of love in my heart for first nations peoples, brown or white, who have done the same.

They should be our guide.... whether the Spanish or Viking invasions....

 

[Frood]

Yet I think places like MacDonalds should allow their workers to receive tips Bigly.

Joe, how much do you tip if you go to a fairly nice restaurant (say $50/per person for a meal and two drinks)?

Poor service:

Decent Service:

Good Service:

Excellent Service:

The standard is about 15%.

I'm just making the point for even low end joints like MacDonalds, just tip something.
a quarter, a dollar, $2?

So if a 100 people do that for them in a shift, gives them extra spending money.

Starbucks allows tips and know every time I give a dollar or two in the tip jar, they really appreciate ot.

and I notice every time I come back, they smile and they try harder.

Seems that most people don't tip in those places.

But I do.

Actually I've noticed that in Macdonald's, sometimes the service is very good and fast and I get exactly what I want.

so...if these people provide fast or faster service than a high end restaurant and deliver what's expected of them...why shouldn't they get a tip?

Why does MacDonald's insist that these people don't get a tip? They should.

They deserve more than $10 an hour if they deliver.

And if MacDonald's can't make that wage shortfall up for them, then they should allow the customer to do it for them.

Optional of course, but just whatever the customer decides. Every bit helps these people.

Makes a much happier employee.

and a happier worker makes a happier customer.

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"Tips are not accepted as McDonald's restaurants have a team environment which is not about rewarding individuals. If a customer would like to make a donation then they can do so in the RMHC boxes. "

That is the official answer but I think there might be more to it. They might want customers to save their money and buy more food. Or they might not want customers to feel an undue pressure to tip the employees.

Any energy spent on trying to get McPukes corporate to change their "no tip" policy is wasted, IMO. If the gap between the upper class and the middle class continues to widen, the patrons of McPukes will not have enough money to tip.

Chain restaurants hire people to warm and arrange packets. It's a JIT model that most staff have no idea about what they're doing.

There is no feedback for anything they're doing. They're just a cog.... from the people who arrange the patties or run sub-standard ingredients through a slicer.... there is no mechanism to award great service or goods on anyone who provides it, except through the company.


Waiting staff have that option.... fry cooks or chefs have that option.


Lean models should never get tips or gratuities because lean models price out the service and goods.

So when lean models demand 15-25 dollars an hour wages for their workers, what they are really saying is that you must pay MORE for basic shitty food.

 

[Omnipotent]

Burgar King stole 1 weeks full time pay from me when I was 15... they can shove their low paid jobs right up their stinking clackers.... and I hope their luxury yachts sink in shark infested waters.

Merry Christmas

typo and spelling mistake fixed..

@Bastard Factory can edit be made longer so we can fix our typos please.... say 12 hours.

 

[Dove]

There are sure a Lotta scrooges here.

Glad I'm not one.

Fuckin' Joe tips $2 at Starbucks and feels like he is making a difference.

Hahahaha!!!!

Well, if 100 people in a shift drop in some change, yes it helps.

You can't believe, a loonie or twonie puts a smile on their faces, Prower.

And I think most people don't tip.

so I make an effort to give them something.

Joe if they all divided up that tip cup(because they do) they MIGHT get 20 bucks each.

Not even enough for a full tank of gas.

You know where the "the right" and left actually differ here? Leftists want to give raised to workers. Rightists want to bring down the costs of living so that raises will actually MEAN something.

Wages are not the problem. The fucking skyrocketing cost of living is the problem. And I dont for the life of me understand why this is such an impossible argument.

Does it somehow NOT make sense that we need to lower costs? Raising wages will NOT help. Tip jars wont help. In fact raising wages will make the problem WORSE.

I swear to god.....if we keep on this path we will see milk at 50 bucks a gallon and lefties will be arguing for a 100 bucks an hour minimum and people will be more dirt poor than ever.

When I was in my early 20s I rented an upper level apartment in downtown Rochester MI on University DR with 2 bedrooms. It was 725 a month. Today that same apartment is 1,250 a month. Costs of everything are just higher.

 

[Frood]

There are sure a Lotta scrooges here.

Glad I'm not one.

Fuckin' Joe tips $2 at Starbucks and feels like he is making a difference.

Hahahaha!!!!

Well, if 100 people in a shift drop in some change, yes it helps.

You can't believe, a loonie or twonie puts a smile on their faces, Prower.

And I think most people don't tip.

so I make an effort to give them something.

Joe if they all divided up that tip cup(because they do) they MIGHT get 20 bucks each.

Not even enough for a full tank of gas.

You know where the "the right" and left actually differ here? Leftists want to give raised to workers. Rightists want to bring down the costs of living so that raises will actually MEAN something.

Wages are not the problem. The fucking skyrocketing cost of living is the problem. And I dont for the life of me understand why this is such an impossible argument.

Does it somehow NOT make sense that we need to lower costs? Raising wages will NOT help. Tip jars wont help. In fact raising wages will make the problem WORSE.

I swear to god.....if we keep on this path we will see milk at 50 bucks a gallon and lefties will be arguing for a 100 bucks an hour minimum and people will be more dirt poor than ever.

He's a Canuckitani stooge that believes governments can manage wages, inflation, and the money supply...

He has no clue about the reality of life...