Why Do Conservatives Love Book Burnings?

[Dove]

I think the most interesting claim made is that some parts of the bible are "fringe".

And that anti theist disciples are making all kinds of fact claims here they cannot back.

I'm just going to point out that Christianity is Judaism(real Torah Judiasm....that wouldnt be possible to still be practiced today as there is no temple) fulfilled.

I'm also gonna point out the theology of Trinity is taught in Genisis.. ."Let US make man in OUR image". Also Elohim is plural. That's just two easy points, the book is loaded with info like this.

Im happy to dissect it but not really for the benefit of H.

@Lokmar shred his post. If you dont, I will. It may hurt less coming from another man.

As I suspected, H doesnt actually know the OT and thinks it's about a mean horrible God who doesnt live up to H righteous requirements. Interesting. H can hold people in "contempt"....but if the owner of life does it, He is ugly!!

Lmao....narcs are always offended that God has holy standards. The whole idea of it offend them deeply. Same people have zero problem judging others insanely harshly though.

God was very forgiving and gracious all through the OT. Anyone who says otherwise only cherry picked it.

 

[1Holliday1]

Oh, and since I prophesied your post:

..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.

you understand that I am a prophet, and in reading my posts you can fit them to future events as you please.

PS: don't bother reading 52 and 54 since they too are obviously about Jesus. LoLz

 

[Lokmar]

You're not required to believe.

...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law

LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.

Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.

Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.

. Just once I'd like one of these yahooz to say something vaguely intriguing or insightful, or that isn't widely know that is also true, and on any subject really.
..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.
I already know all the nonsense, which is how I know it's nonsense.

Isaiah 53




New International Version








53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[

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] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[

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]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[

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] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[

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] and be satisfied[

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];
by his knowledge[

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] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[

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and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[

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because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

LoLz - not Jesus. Was Jesus unsightly and disfigured.
PS: he did not die to absolve us of our sins either.
No Christian believes that. Oh, maybe some xtians, Catlicks and protestinks do, but not Christians.

So tell me loctardo - since Judaism is Christianity and the concepts of the Trinity, the afterlife, and forgiveness (I guess in your mind the same as throwing homos off hotel roofs) are central to Christianity, could you outline their origins in the OT. Oh and while you're back there, see if you can find the foundations of the US constitution. LoLs on that one. ...and maybe a prophesy of the 40 murders committed by BLM.

PPS: ...and could you explain how the wrathful, angry, self aggrandizing, violent and generally hideous god of the OT transformed itself into the father within, benevolent, patient, forgiving God of the New Testament?

LOL! ^^^Look at this jackass setting up goalposts all over the place. Look shithead, I already answered your challenge. Now you're all about "whataboutismms" in an effort to save face.

The OT well documents a forgiving and loving God...or did you miss the accounts of Him not permanently smoking all of mankind, David, Solomon, various others who doubted Him, staying of immediate judgment for a later date, etc? Jesus openly stated that He was bringing judgment and death upon this world throughout the NT. The Apostles specifically met for the purpose of deciding what Mosaic Law applies to gentiles!

Also, I love how you're STILL standing on that bullshit hill that the Constitution is America's founding document. For the millionth time jackass, The Declaration of Independence is America's founding document!!!!! The Constitution is the restraint on federal government power. Still, there's a religious reson why the President gets Sunday off when considering the passage of a bill. What could that reason possibly be? PWN3D!

 

[Lokmar]

I think the most interesting claim made is that some parts of the bible are "fringe".

And that anti theist disciples are making all kinds of fact claims here they cannot back.

I'm just going to point out that Christianity is Judaism(real Torah Judiasm....that wouldnt be possible to still be practiced today as there is no temple) fulfilled.

I'm also gonna point out the theology of Trinity is taught in Genisis.. ."Let US make man in OUR image". Also Elohim is plural. That's just two easy points, the book is loaded with info like this.

Im happy to dissect it but not really for the benefit of H.

@Lokmar shred his post. If you dont, I will. It may hurt less coming from another man.

As I suspected, H doesnt actually know the OT and thinks it's about a mean horrible God who doesnt live up to H righteous requirements. Interesting. H can hold people in "contempt"....but if the owner of life does it, He is ugly!!

Lmao....narcs are always offended that God has holy standards. The whole idea of it offend them deeply. Same people have zero problem judging others insanely harshly though.

God was very forgiving and gracious all through the OT. Anyone who says otherwise only cherry picked it.

I'm not too interested in debating every singe idiotic claim of his. I'd just as soon the entire country meet in Kansas City and beat each other to death until only one side remains.

 

[Lokmar]

Oh, and since I prophesied your post:

..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.

you understand that I am a prophet, and in reading my posts you can fit them to future events as you please.

PS: don't bother reading 52 and 54 since they too are obviously about Jesus. LoLz

You asked for it, I obliged. Hardly prophecy. You claimed it tho and since you're a false prophet, we should burn you at the stake.

 

[Dove]

Oh, and since I prophesied your post:

..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.

you understand that I am a prophet, and in reading my posts you can fit them to future events as you please.

PS: don't bother reading 52 and 54 since they too are obviously about Jesus. LoLz

The logic here is that if some chapters are not talking about Christ, that makes the ones that ARE about Christ invalid.

Btw Isaiah 52

"Behold, (Q)My Servant shall [d]deal prudently;
(R)He shall be exalted and [e]extolled and be very high.
14 Just as many were astonished at you,
So His (S)visage[f] was marred more than any man,
And His form more than the sons of men;
15 (T)So shall He [g]sprinkle many nations.
Kings shall shut their mouths at Him;
For (U)what had not been told them they shall see,
And what they had not heard they shall consider."

Indeed prophesied about Christ in a direct manner. Than you have the typology. Other forms of prophecy or foreshadowing.

I wonder what H thinks Passover was all about. Go ahead and paint that blood of a perfect lamb on your door posts so the angel of death passes by.

Isaiah 54 is literally a promise of a new Covenant and God says "their righteousness IS FROM ME".

 

[Dove]

Oh, and since I prophesied your post:

..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.

you understand that I am a prophet, and in reading my posts you can fit them to future events as you please.

PS: don't bother reading 52 and 54 since they too are obviously about Jesus. LoLz

You asked for it, I obliged. Hardly prophecy. You claimed it tho and since you're a false prophet, we should burn you at the stake.

I bet H is one of those anti theist cherry pickers that uses the Abraham and Isaac verses where God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and Abraham was going to do as an example of how horrible God is.

Completely missing the point that that was God telling Abraham about Jesus. "The Lord will provide HIMSELF the sacrfice".....and that Isaac was never going to be killed.

 

[1Holliday1]

You're not required to believe.

...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law

LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.

Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.

Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.

. Just once I'd like one of these yahooz to say something vaguely intriguing or insightful, or that isn't widely know that is also true, and on any subject really.
..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.
I already know all the nonsense, which is how I know it's nonsense.

Isaiah 53




New International Version








53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[

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] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[

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]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[

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] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[

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] and be satisfied[

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];
by his knowledge[

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] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[

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]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[

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]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

LoLz - not Jesus. Was Jesus unsightly and disfigured.
PS: he did not die to absolve us of our sins either.
No Christian believes that. Oh, maybe some xtians, Catlicks and protestinks do, but not Christians.

So tell me loctardo - since Judaism is Christianity and the concepts of the Trinity, the afterlife, and forgiveness (I guess in your mind the same as throwing homos off hotel roofs) are central to Christianity, could you outline their origins in the OT. Oh and while you're back there, see if you can find the foundations of the US constitution. LoLs on that one. ...and maybe a prophesy of the 40 murders committed by BLM.

PPS: ...and could you explain how the wrathful, angry, self aggrandizing, violent and generally hideous god of the OT transformed itself into the father within, benevolent, patient, forgiving God of the New Testament?

LOL! ^^^Look at this jackass setting up goalposts all over the place. Look shithead, I already answered your challenge. Now you're all about "whataboutismms" in an effort to save face.

The OT well documents a forgiving and loving God...or did you miss the accounts of Him not permanently smoking all of mankind, David, Solomon, various others who doubted Him, staying of immediate judgment for a later date, etc? Jesus openly stated that He was bringing judgment and death upon this world throughout the NT. The Apostles specifically met for the purpose of deciding what Mosaic Law applies to gentiles!

Also, I love how you're STILL standing on that bullshit hill that the Constitution is America's founding document. For the millionth time jackass, The Declaration of Independence is America's founding document!!!!! The Constitution is the restraint on federal government power. Still, there's a religious reson why the President gets Sunday off when considering the passage of a bill. What could that reason possibly be? PWN3D!

I'm not moving any goalposts, I'm simply pointing out that central themes in Christianity and Judaism are inconsistent. That their gods are not one and the same, the Jew god YHWH being the lowest of the Elohim (who were not 3 in number incidentally lest anyone imagine them an example of God's triune nature). And
that this insane tribal god of wrath who had hissies culminating in the smoting of 10s of thousands, and edicts to kill all who would not worship him stands in stark contrast to the Father of which Jesus spoke.
If Judaism is Christianity (as YOU claim), then certainly their should be some threads connecting them philosophically and metaphysically. Should be pretty simple to connect those dots if these two religions are actually one.

...and - you took up the banner of someone else's failure to prove the statement they had made that the US Constitution is based on the Bible. Shit, I could do a half way decent job of it myself, but all I get from the likes of you is evasion.

And why Sunday off? Football, dude.

PS: Isaiah? about Israel (or a leper? LoLz) . although I love the idea that no one could care for Jesus because he had a face not even a mother could love.

and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
(hardly a description of fair Jesus)

 

[Dove]

The entire Judaic OC sacrificial system was a foreshadowing of Christ.

And is H really claiming people think Jesus is white and that alone means Isaiah couldnt be describing Yeshua?

Omg.

I dont think H is talking about Old Cov Jusiasm. He I'd talking about modern forms and probably mysticism that's popular among leftists.

And his grasp on Christianity is pretty swallow and limited to western mega church idiocy.....which isnt even Christianity.

H has fringe beliefs about Christianity is arguing with another bias built strawman. And until he is willing to learn from people who DO know it, his attitude is gonna be a typical "I know more about the bible and religion than all the religious peeple!" and he will make arguments like....Jesus was fair, so thusly he didnt fit the prophecy.

I would pay to watch him make that arguement with a Messianic Rabbi.

 

[Admin.]

You're not required to believe.

...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law

LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.

Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.

Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.

. Just once I'd like one of these yahooz to say something vaguely intriguing or insightful, or that isn't widely know that is also true, and on any subject really.
..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.
I already know all the nonsense, which is how I know it's nonsense.

Isaiah 53




New International Version








53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[

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] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[

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]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[

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] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[

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] and be satisfied[

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];
by his knowledge[

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] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[

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]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[

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]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

LoLz - not Jesus. Was Jesus unsightly and disfigured.
PS: he did not die to absolve us of our sins either.
No Christian believes that. Oh, maybe some xtians, Catlicks and protestinks do, but not Christians.

So tell me loctardo - since Judaism is Christianity and the concepts of the Trinity, the afterlife, and forgiveness (I guess in your mind the same as throwing homos off hotel roofs) are central to Christianity, could you outline their origins in the OT. Oh and while you're back there, see if you can find the foundations of the US constitution. LoLs on that one. ...and maybe a prophesy of the 40 murders committed by BLM.

PPS: ...and could you explain how the wrathful, angry, self aggrandizing, violent and generally hideous god of the OT transformed itself into the father within, benevolent, patient, forgiving God of the New Testament?

LOL! ^^^Look at this jackass setting up goalposts all over the place. Look shithead, I already answered your challenge. Now you're all about "whataboutismms" in an effort to save face.

The OT well documents a forgiving and loving God...or did you miss the accounts of Him not permanently smoking all of mankind, David, Solomon, various others who doubted Him, staying of immediate judgment for a later date, etc? Jesus openly stated that He was bringing judgment and death upon this world throughout the NT. The Apostles specifically met for the purpose of deciding what Mosaic Law applies to gentiles!

Also, I love how you're STILL standing on that bullshit hill that the Constitution is America's founding document. For the millionth time jackass, The Declaration of Independence is America's founding document!!!!! The Constitution is the restraint on federal government power. Still, there's a religious reson why the President gets Sunday off when considering the passage of a bill. What could that reason possibly be? PWN3D!

I'm not moving any goalposts, I'm simply pointing out that central themes in Christianity and Judaism are inconsistent. That their gods are not one and the same, the Jew god YHWH being the lowest of the Elohim (who were not 3 in number incidentally lest anyone imagine them an example of God's triune nature). And
that this insane tribal god of wrath who had hissies culminating in the smoting of 10s of thousands, and edicts to kill all who would not worship him stands in stark contrast to the Father of which Jesus spoke.
If Judaism is Christianity (as YOU claim), then certainly their should be some threads connecting them philosophically and metaphysically. Should be pretty simple to connect those dots if these two religions are actually one.

...and - you took up the banner of someone else's failure to prove the statement they had made that the US Constitution is based on the Bible. Shit, I could do a half way decent job of it myself, but all I get from the likes of you is evasion.

And why Sunday off? Football, dude.

PS: Isaiah? about Israel (or a leper? LoLz) . although I love the idea that no one could care for Jesus because he had a face not even a mother could love.

and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
(hardly a description of fair Jesus)

...and on the 7th Day, the Triad snuggled under a Triple Snuggie and watched some Football

 

[Lokmar]

You're not required to believe.

...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law

LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.

Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.

Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.

. Just once I'd like one of these yahooz to say something vaguely intriguing or insightful, or that isn't widely know that is also true, and on any subject really.
..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.
I already know all the nonsense, which is how I know it's nonsense.

Isaiah 53




New International Version








53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[

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] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[

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]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[

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] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[

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] and be satisfied[

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];
by his knowledge[

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] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[

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]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[

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]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

LoLz - not Jesus. Was Jesus unsightly and disfigured.
PS: he did not die to absolve us of our sins either.
No Christian believes that. Oh, maybe some xtians, Catlicks and protestinks do, but not Christians.

So tell me loctardo - since Judaism is Christianity and the concepts of the Trinity, the afterlife, and forgiveness (I guess in your mind the same as throwing homos off hotel roofs) are central to Christianity, could you outline their origins in the OT. Oh and while you're back there, see if you can find the foundations of the US constitution. LoLs on that one. ...and maybe a prophesy of the 40 murders committed by BLM.

PPS: ...and could you explain how the wrathful, angry, self aggrandizing, violent and generally hideous god of the OT transformed itself into the father within, benevolent, patient, forgiving God of the New Testament?

LOL! ^^^Look at this jackass setting up goalposts all over the place. Look shithead, I already answered your challenge. Now you're all about "whataboutismms" in an effort to save face.

The OT well documents a forgiving and loving God...or did you miss the accounts of Him not permanently smoking all of mankind, David, Solomon, various others who doubted Him, staying of immediate judgment for a later date, etc? Jesus openly stated that He was bringing judgment and death upon this world throughout the NT. The Apostles specifically met for the purpose of deciding what Mosaic Law applies to gentiles!

Also, I love how you're STILL standing on that bullshit hill that the Constitution is America's founding document. For the millionth time jackass, The Declaration of Independence is America's founding document!!!!! The Constitution is the restraint on federal government power. Still, there's a religious reson why the President gets Sunday off when considering the passage of a bill. What could that reason possibly be? PWN3D!

I'm not moving any goalposts, I'm simply pointing out that central themes in Christianity and Judaism are inconsistent. That their gods are not one and the same, the Jew god YHWH being the lowest of the Elohim (who were not 3 in number incidentally lest anyone imagine them an example of God's triune nature). And
that this insane tribal god of wrath who had hissies culminating in the smoting of 10s of thousands, and edicts to kill all who would not worship him stands in stark contrast to the Father of which Jesus spoke.
If Judaism is Christianity (as YOU claim), then certainly their should be some threads connecting them philosophically and metaphysically. Should be pretty simple to connect those dots if these two religions are actually one.

...and - you took up the banner of someone else's failure to prove the statement they had made that the US Constitution is based on the Bible. Shit, I could do a half way decent job of it myself, but all I get from the likes of you is evasion.

And why Sunday off? Football, dude.

PS: Isaiah? about Israel (or a leper? LoLz) . although I love the idea that no one could care for Jesus because he had a face not even a mother could love.

and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
(hardly a description of fair Jesus)

Moving goalposts? No planting new ones.
Your joking dismissal of Sunday Football ignores the FACT that POTUS gets the Christian Sabbath off from doing government work.
Both Jesus and God gave many examples of forgiveness AND wrath.
Now modern day wishy washy Christianity subscribes to no judging, no penalties, no death penalty, etc. That isnt scripturally supported. The apostles themselves declared that the death penalty was valid punishment. Again, Jesus states he'll toss large volumes of scumbags into hell Himself! He also commanded degenerates be tossed from the church or else He would personally cut off that church.

Sure, modern man has bastardized God's teachings, just like 0 a.d. man had bastardized them, just like 2000b.c. man had bastardized them.

I dont recall Jesus being portrayed as a beautiful white man BTW if thats what you're insinuating.

 

[Dove]

My actual argument....which is still out there, was that our inalienable rights are not granted by government. They are inalienable and given to us from a force higher than humans.

That's what inalienable rights ARE. The government doesnt give you these rights.

And it wasnt a failed argument either. H decided to have a hissing and spitting meltdown accusing me of claiming the Constitution is based on the bible and then he went into how he wishes he could genocide every religious person because he holds them in contempt and doesnt want to live among them.

He went full blown Stalin, and still hasnt addressed my actual argument. In fact that's not even an argument. It's a statement of fact.

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This entire concept that humans do not grant these rights to other humans....and thusly they cant remove them either...sent H into an angry and hateful tantrum.

I cant imagine why anyone would have a problem with this. Unless they are NPD control freaks mad because they wanna play God and have no regard for the rights of others.

Western civilization has the building blocks of the fundamentals of Christianity. I have no idea why someone would have a problem with that either. H should actually invest time in learning what that means and less time thinking a bunch of non believing leftists know the faith more than every body of believer on the planet because they read a few cherry picked verses and watched Lawrence Welk a couple times.

 

[1Holliday1]

Your joking dismissal of Sunday Football ignores the FACT that POTUS gets the Christian Sabbath off from doing government work.

Well, let's be reminded that the Sabbath is Saturday, pinhead.

PS: What does the OT say about ankle gumming binge posters with bees in their bonnets?

I dont recall Jesus being portrayed as a beautiful white man BTW if thats what you're insinuating.

No I wasn't - where did you get that idea?

 

[Dove]

You're not required to believe.

...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law

LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.

Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.

Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.

. Just once I'd like one of these yahooz to say something vaguely intriguing or insightful, or that isn't widely know that is also true, and on any subject really.
..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.
I already know all the nonsense, which is how I know it's nonsense.

Isaiah 53




New International Version








53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[

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] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[

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9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[

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] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[

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by his knowledge[

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and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[

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and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[

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because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

LoLz - not Jesus. Was Jesus unsightly and disfigured.
PS: he did not die to absolve us of our sins either.
No Christian believes that. Oh, maybe some xtians, Catlicks and protestinks do, but not Christians.

So tell me loctardo - since Judaism is Christianity and the concepts of the Trinity, the afterlife, and forgiveness (I guess in your mind the same as throwing homos off hotel roofs) are central to Christianity, could you outline their origins in the OT. Oh and while you're back there, see if you can find the foundations of the US constitution. LoLs on that one. ...and maybe a prophesy of the 40 murders committed by BLM.

PPS: ...and could you explain how the wrathful, angry, self aggrandizing, violent and generally hideous god of the OT transformed itself into the father within, benevolent, patient, forgiving God of the New Testament?

LOL! ^^^Look at this jackass setting up goalposts all over the place. Look shithead, I already answered your challenge. Now you're all about "whataboutismms" in an effort to save face.

The OT well documents a forgiving and loving God...or did you miss the accounts of Him not permanently smoking all of mankind, David, Solomon, various others who doubted Him, staying of immediate judgment for a later date, etc? Jesus openly stated that He was bringing judgment and death upon this world throughout the NT. The Apostles specifically met for the purpose of deciding what Mosaic Law applies to gentiles!

Also, I love how you're STILL standing on that bullshit hill that the Constitution is America's founding document. For the millionth time jackass, The Declaration of Independence is America's founding document!!!!! The Constitution is the restraint on federal government power. Still, there's a religious reson why the President gets Sunday off when considering the passage of a bill. What could that reason possibly be? PWN3D!

I'm not moving any goalposts, I'm simply pointing out that central themes in Christianity and Judaism are inconsistent. That their gods are not one and the same, the Jew god YHWH being the lowest of the Elohim (who were not 3 in number incidentally lest anyone imagine them an example of God's triune nature). And
that this insane tribal god of wrath who had hissies culminating in the smoting of 10s of thousands, and edicts to kill all who would not worship him stands in stark contrast to the Father of which Jesus spoke.
If Judaism is Christianity (as YOU claim), then certainly their should be some threads connecting them philosophically and metaphysically. Should be pretty simple to connect those dots if these two religions are actually one.

...and - you took up the banner of someone else's failure to prove the statement they had made that the US Constitution is based on the Bible. Shit, I could do a half way decent job of it myself, but all I get from the likes of you is evasion.

And why Sunday off? Football, dude.

PS: Isaiah? about Israel (or a leper? LoLz) . although I love the idea that no one could care for Jesus because he had a face not even a mother could love.

and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
(hardly a description of fair Jesus)

I dont recall Jesus being portrayed as a beautiful white man BTW if thats what you're insinuating.

That's exactly what he is saying

H should call every church on Earth and let them know this stunning info. That Isaiah 53 was NOT about Jesus. Cuz Jesus was white and sexy!

 

[Dove]

Your joking dismissal of Sunday Football ignores the FACT that POTUS gets the Christian Sabbath off from doing government work.

Well, let's be reminded that the Sabbath is Saturday, pinhead.

He said CHRISTIAN Sabbath.

Sunday is the Lords day. The traditional Sabbath is Saturday yes. However the Sabbath was fulfilled by Christ.

That's what "rest in the Lord" means.

 

[Admin.]

The elegance of Christian Love

 

[Dove]

The elegance of Christian Love

You guys sure do try to shit on people who are out there physically helping other people 24/7 everyday of the year while leftists dont do fuck all for anyone.

I'm just sayin.

I have no clue why you guys feel qualified to grade other people on how "loving" they are when your whole ideology is full of hatred and violence.

This is just more hatred.

 

[Admin.]

The elegance of Christian Love

You guys sure do try to shit on people who are out there physically helping other people 24/7 everyday of the year while leftists dont do fuck all for anyone.

I'm just sayin.

I have no clue why you guys feel qualified to grade other people on how "loving" they are when your whole ideology is full of hatred and violence.

This is just more hatred.

I agree that it can be healthy and helpful to look back on ones work and examine ones efforts but I believe hating your own work is in fact very unhealthy, I think you should look into therapy, a lot of therapy.

 

[1Holliday1]

Well, that's it for me - all I'm getting from loctardo is the kind of crap they dished out in 1st grade of catlick school. I left that nonsense behind way back then, and have no need to revisit it.

 

[Dove]

Well, that's it for me - all I'm getting from loctardo is the kind of crap they dished out in 1st grade of catlick school. I left that nonsense behind way back then, and have no need to revisit it.

Except nothing he said was Catholic.

 

[Lokmar]

Your joking dismissal of Sunday Football ignores the FACT that POTUS gets the Christian Sabbath off from doing government work.

Well, let's be reminded that the Sabbath is Saturday, pinhead.

PS: What does the OT say about ankle gumming binge posters with bees in their bonnets?

I dont recall Jesus being portrayed as a beautiful white man BTW if thats what you're insinuating.

No I wasn't - where did you get that idea?

Traditionally, Christianity has observed Sunday as a day of rest in rememberance of Christ's Resurrection out of tradition, not Biblical scripture. The Constitution reflects this, incorrect as it may be.

The Bible doesnt describe Him as a deformed and crippled retard either.

 

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[Lokmar]

I sure AF can asshole!
Banning gay porn ANYWHERE isnt the moral equivalent of stating a fake vax aint worth a damn! You and that faggit Tagay sure think so tho!

 

[Dove]

Hey Admin.....can we serve beer in a school cafeteria?

Or are we BANNING BEER?

Smh. So dishonest. So George here wants to stoke the flames of division by suggesting any material not given to children in school is BANNED.

Is it censorship to not have Hustler mags in the school library?

The left wanted To Kill a Mockingbird out. And Huckleberry Finn. That's not censorship

But parents wanting racist cult material taken out of curriculums and actual pornographic material that describes sex with minors and adults(illegal sex acts) taken out and THATS censorship

Right.

So should we chick the rating system while we are at it? Since censorship is now based on whether or not we want it taught in school.

 

[1Holliday1]

Yep - the want book burnings. That's conservatives for ya.

 

[Lily]

Well, that's it for me - all I'm getting from loctardo is the kind of crap they dished out in 1st grade of catlick school. I left that nonsense behind way back then, and have no need to revisit it.

Except nothing he said was Catholic.

Jesus Fucking Christ!!!

 

[Lokmar]

IC these retarded cunts are still defending porn for school. Typical.

 

[Admin.]

IC these retarded cunts are still defending porn for school. Typical.

The grapes of wrath is porn?

 

[Dove]

IC these retarded cunts are still defending porn for school. Typical.

The grapes of wrath is porn?

That's not the book people are mad about. While we are on that topic, that's a book the democrats wanted out. Along with To Kill a Mocking Bird and Huckleberry Finn.

These parents being called "conz" here by your establishment party cohort want actual sexually explicit material out of the school and books that describe sex acts between children and adults and children. It's a thing any normal person who hates child rape would want burned.

It's obvious you guys are quick to call things conspiracies without even checking for yourself what is going on.

It says two parents wanted the child porn burned, and he hears that and is like "that's conz! for ya!" SMDH.

Wait until H hears what people want to do to child pornographers if he thinks burning their material is bad :D

 

[1Holliday1]

You know, it occurs to me that some people can't distinguish between liberal/conservative and Democrat/Republican, so no matter how careful one is to use those correct terms meanings will be twisted. Typical partisan hacks who are wholly unaware we are operating in a one party system - the fools.

...and no Liberal ever banned Huck or any of the classics. Sheer nonsense. Only a conservative would do that.