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Admin if you are gonna laugh emoji my posts so often, you could at least explain why or what it is you disagree with.

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If you are so right and I'm so wrong it should be EASY for you.
My buddy in College was President of the Campus Chapter of Jews For Nazism, he says the Jews For Jesus are not real Jews.
.See, there is very good reason why Jews reject Jesus as messiah.
It's because he doesn't check the most important boxes, and in fact Jesus is never mentioned in the Old Testament - at all.

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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
 
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LoLz - Don't tell a Jew that.....or a Christian. Yer a moron, loctardo, but you're funny sometime.
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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
 

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LoLz - Don't tell a Jew that.....or a Christian. Yer a moron, loctardo, but you're funny sometime.
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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Have you suffered a traumatic brain injury recently?
 

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Admin if you are gonna laugh emoji my posts so often, you could at least explain why or what it is you disagree with.

I dont emoji your posts, I'll quote them and say exactly why I disagree with it.

If you are so right and I'm so wrong it should be EASY for you.
My buddy in College was President of the Campus Chapter of Jews For Nazism, he says the Jews For Jesus are not real Jews.
.See, there is very good reason why Jews reject Jesus as messiah.
It's because he doesn't check the most important boxes, and in fact Jesus is never mentioned in the Old Testament - at all.

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That's actually false.

Firstly you are not arguing anyone that most Jews reject Christ. Lokmar pointed that out. Scripture actually teaches this. No one is challenging that.

Secondly Jesus is all over the Old Testament. From the protoevangelum of Genisus 3, to the ark, to the books of the prophets.....its entirely saturated with the gospel and prophesies. This isnt argued. And Messianic jews will even walk your through it



You are going to believe whatever fits your biases. You have already shown you have a very convoluted view of Christian's and you hold them in "contempt". So you are not really a credible or objective opponent that is prepared for any discussion with people who have invested real time into learning scripture.

Js.

If you were properly schooled.....you would be able to handle Lokmars Theonomy (the name of his approach of using levitical law as gentiles after the fulfillment of law and prophets by Christ) with the appropriate verses. Not other levitical laws that you think show since he isnt following all of them.....he doesnt find them valid and is a hypocrite. That's the unschooled approach. Most people do not understand levitical laws and the relationship to post NC gentile Christains.

And you think the body of believers is a bunch of white TBN Baker types.....so you need to go sit down somewhere. Or go find people on Osteens page to argue with.
 

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Admin if you are gonna laugh emoji my posts so often, you could at least explain why or what it is you disagree with.

I dont emoji your posts, I'll quote them and say exactly why I disagree with it.

If you are so right and I'm so wrong it should be EASY for you.
My buddy in College was President of the Campus Chapter of Jews For Nazism, he says the Jews For Jesus are not real Jews.
.See, there is very good reason why Jews reject Jesus as messiah.
It's because he doesn't check the most important boxes, and in fact Jesus is never mentioned in the Old Testament - at all.

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That's actually false.

Firstly you are not arguing anyone that most Jews reject Christ. Lokmar pointed that out. Scripture actually teaches this. No one is challenging that.

Secondly Jesus is all over the Old Testament. From the protoevangelum of Genisus 3, to the ark, to the books of the prophets.....its entirely saturated with the gospel and prophesies. This isnt argued. And Messianic jews will even walk your through it



You are going to believe whatever fits your biases. You have already shown you have a very convoluted view of Christian's and you hold them in "contempt". So you are not really a credible or objective opponent that is prepared for any discussion with people who have invested real time into learning scripture.

Js.

If you were properly schooled.....you would be able to handle Lokmars Theonomy (the name of his approach of using levitical law as gentiles after the fulfillment of law and prophets by Christ) with the appropriate verses. Not other levitical laws that you think show since he isnt following all of them.....he doesnt find them valid and is a hypocrite. That's the unschooled approach. Most people do not understand levitical laws and the relationship to post NC gentile Christains.

And you think the body of believers is a bunch of white TBN Baker types.....so you need to go sit down somewhere. Or go find people on Osteens page to argue with.

Did you do a lot of acid, back in the hippy days?
 

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LoLz - Don't tell a Jew that.....or a Christian. Yer a moron, loctardo, but you're funny sometime.
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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.

They have no idea what you are saying.

Christianity is Judaism fufilled....but they probably think you are talking about the bizzare versions of Judaism practices today, that look nothing like Torah observant Judaism.
 

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Admin if you are gonna laugh emoji my posts so often, you could at least explain why or what it is you disagree with.

I dont emoji your posts, I'll quote them and say exactly why I disagree with it.

If you are so right and I'm so wrong it should be EASY for you.
My buddy in College was President of the Campus Chapter of Jews For Nazism, he says the Jews For Jesus are not real Jews.
.See, there is very good reason why Jews reject Jesus as messiah.
It's because he doesn't check the most important boxes, and in fact Jesus is never mentioned in the Old Testament - at all.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

That's actually false.

Firstly you are not arguing anyone that most Jews reject Christ. Lokmar pointed that out. Scripture actually teaches this. No one is challenging that.

Secondly Jesus is all over the Old Testament. From the protoevangelum of Genisus 3, to the ark, to the books of the prophets.....its entirely saturated with the gospel and prophesies. This isnt argued. And Messianic jews will even walk your through it



You are going to believe whatever fits your biases. You have already shown you have a very convoluted view of Christian's and you hold them in "contempt". So you are not really a credible or objective opponent that is prepared for any discussion with people who have invested real time into learning scripture.

Js.

If you were properly schooled.....you would be able to handle Lokmars Theonomy (the name of his approach of using levitical law as gentiles after the fulfillment of law and prophets by Christ) with the appropriate verses. Not other levitical laws that you think show since he isnt following all of them.....he doesnt find them valid and is a hypocrite. That's the unschooled approach. Most people do not understand levitical laws and the relationship to post NC gentile Christains.

And you think the body of believers is a bunch of white TBN Baker types.....so you need to go sit down somewhere. Or go find people on Osteens page to argue with.

Did you do a lot of acid, back in the hippy days?


I wasnt alive in the hippy days, Admin. I'm only 41.

So if other people know things you dont.....they must have just done drugs. Got it.
 

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Admin if you are gonna laugh emoji my posts so often, you could at least explain why or what it is you disagree with.

I dont emoji your posts, I'll quote them and say exactly why I disagree with it.

If you are so right and I'm so wrong it should be EASY for you.
My buddy in College was President of the Campus Chapter of Jews For Nazism, he says the Jews For Jesus are not real Jews.
.See, there is very good reason why Jews reject Jesus as messiah.
It's because he doesn't check the most important boxes, and in fact Jesus is never mentioned in the Old Testament - at all.

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That's actually false.

Firstly you are not arguing anyone that most Jews reject Christ. Lokmar pointed that out. Scripture actually teaches this. No one is challenging that.

Secondly Jesus is all over the Old Testament. From the protoevangelum of Genisus 3, to the ark, to the books of the prophets.....its entirely saturated with the gospel and prophesies. This isnt argued. And Messianic jews will even walk your through it



You are going to believe whatever fits your biases. You have already shown you have a very convoluted view of Christian's and you hold them in "contempt". So you are not really a credible or objective opponent that is prepared for any discussion with people who have invested real time into learning scripture.

Js.

If you were properly schooled.....you would be able to handle Lokmars Theonomy (the name of his approach of using levitical law as gentiles after the fulfillment of law and prophets by Christ) with the appropriate verses. Not other levitical laws that you think show since he isnt following all of them.....he doesnt find them valid and is a hypocrite. That's the unschooled approach. Most people do not understand levitical laws and the relationship to post NC gentile Christains.

And you think the body of believers is a bunch of white TBN Baker types.....so you need to go sit down somewhere. Or go find people on Osteens page to argue with.

Did you do a lot of acid, back in the hippy days?


I wasnt alive in the hippy days, Admin. I'm only 41.

So if other people know things you dont.....they must have just done drugs. Got it.

Lemme ax you dis, wtf does theosophy have to do with Conservatives trying to rewrite art and history?
 

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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
Its not a fallacy tho. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
 
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LoLz - Don't tell a Jew that.....or a Christian. Yer a moron, loctardo, but you're funny sometime.
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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
Its not a fallacy tho. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
Was he now?
Are you sure he wasn't a Buddhist presenting an old tradition to a new audience, and so taking a familiar form.

Oh and btw, why not when you say "Jesus" is mentioned in the Old Testament, you link and say why you believe that though he is not once mentioned, that he is mentioned. And please remember that verses have been modified, words twisted, in the New Testament to satisfy the needs of creating a unified religion under Rome. the biblical Jesus was really no more than a literary vessel for ancient teachings, and the way you people make only literal readings of them is a sin. I mean, really. Virgin births, turning water to wine, curing the blind, crucifixions, rising from the dead, ascending to the mothership and all, pahleez..
 

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LoLz - Don't tell a Jew that.....or a Christian. Yer a moron, loctardo, but you're funny sometime.
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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
Its not a fallacy tho. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
Was he now?
Are you sure he wasn't a Buddhist presenting an old tradition to a new audience, and so taking a familiar form.

Oh and btw, why not when you say "Jesus" is mentioned in the Old Testament, you link and say why you believe that though he is not once mentioned, that he is mentioned. And please remember that verses have been modified, words twisted, in the New Testament to satisfy the needs of creating a unified religion under Rome. the biblical Jesus was really no more than a literary vessel for ancient teachings, and the way you people make only literal readings of them is a sin. I mean, really. Virgin births, turning water to wine, curing the blind, crucifixions, rising from the dead, ascending to the mothership and all, pahleez..
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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
Its not a fallacy tho. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
Was he now?
Are you sure he wasn't a Buddhist presenting an old tradition to a new audience, and so taking a familiar form.

Oh and btw, why not when you say "Jesus" is mentioned in the Old Testament, you link and say why you believe that though he is not once mentioned, that he is mentioned. And please remember that verses have been modified, words twisted, in the New Testament to satisfy the needs of creating a unified religion under Rome. the biblical Jesus was really no more than a literary vessel for ancient teachings, and the way you people make only literal readings of them is a sin. I mean, really. Virgin births, turning water to wine, curing the blind, crucifixions, rising from the dead, ascending to the mothership and all, pahleez..
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Admin if you are gonna laugh emoji my posts so often, you could at least explain why or what it is you disagree with.

I dont emoji your posts, I'll quote them and say exactly why I disagree with it.

If you are so right and I'm so wrong it should be EASY for you.
My buddy in College was President of the Campus Chapter of Jews For Nazism, he says the Jews For Jesus are not real Jews.
.See, there is very good reason why Jews reject Jesus as messiah.
It's because he doesn't check the most important boxes, and in fact Jesus is never mentioned in the Old Testament - at all.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

That's actually false.

Firstly you are not arguing anyone that most Jews reject Christ. Lokmar pointed that out. Scripture actually teaches this. No one is challenging that.

Secondly Jesus is all over the Old Testament. From the protoevangelum of Genisus 3, to the ark, to the books of the prophets.....its entirely saturated with the gospel and prophesies. This isnt argued. And Messianic jews will even walk your through it



You are going to believe whatever fits your biases. You have already shown you have a very convoluted view of Christian's and you hold them in "contempt". So you are not really a credible or objective opponent that is prepared for any discussion with people who have invested real time into learning scripture.

Js.

If you were properly schooled.....you would be able to handle Lokmars Theonomy (the name of his approach of using levitical law as gentiles after the fulfillment of law and prophets by Christ) with the appropriate verses. Not other levitical laws that you think show since he isnt following all of them.....he doesnt find them valid and is a hypocrite. That's the unschooled approach. Most people do not understand levitical laws and the relationship to post NC gentile Christains.

And you think the body of believers is a bunch of white TBN Baker types.....so you need to go sit down somewhere. Or go find people on Osteens page to argue with.

Did you do a lot of acid, back in the hippy days?


I wasnt alive in the hippy days, Admin. I'm only 41.

So if other people know things you dont.....they must have just done drugs. Got it.

Lemme ax you dis, wtf does theosophy have to do with Conservatives trying to rewrite art and history?


Admin are you reading what's being typed or are you suffering hallucinations?

Maybe try again and read slower and stop inserting your own shit into what others are saying. Who the fuck is talking about theosopy or conservativism? You guys have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Ever, it seems.

I'd ask what art or history is being "rewritten" as well but you just went so far off from the topic I am afraid to encourage you.

You know maybe it's you guys who did too much acid. I'm just sayin.
 

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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
Its not a fallacy tho. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
Was he now?
Are you sure he wasn't a Buddhist presenting an old tradition to a new audience, and so taking a familiar form.

Oh and btw, why not when you say "Jesus" is mentioned in the Old Testament, you link and say why you believe that though he is not once mentioned, that he is mentioned. And please remember that verses have been modified, words twisted, in the New Testament to satisfy the needs of creating a unified religion under Rome. the biblical Jesus was really no more than a literary vessel for ancient teachings, and the way you people make only literal readings of them is a sin. I mean, really. Virgin births, turning water to wine, curing the blind, crucifixions, rising from the dead, ascending to the mothership and all, pahleez..

I posted a whole lecture that walls you through this very topic given by a Messianic who understands the Torah and the language it was written in.

Of course I'm SURE you know more than any scholar or jew or believer on the planet.

Here is the tattoo I have on my wrist.

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If H can tell us what language this is, what it says, and explain the origin? Then we can talk about how the entire OT from the pentateuch on involves and is about Christ.

You have to literally toss out most of the entire OT to claim that Christ isnt in it.

People who are hostile towards Christ to begin with typically cannot have honest discussions about it. Kinda how Blandscape thinks Christianity is some white supremacist movement that has killed millions for white Jesus. You cant talk or reason with people motivated by hate or "contempt". Their narrow minds slam shut.
 
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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
Its not a fallacy tho. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
Was he now?
Are you sure he wasn't a Buddhist presenting an old tradition to a new audience, and so taking a familiar form.

Oh and btw, why not when you say "Jesus" is mentioned in the Old Testament, you link and say why you believe that though he is not once mentioned, that he is mentioned. And please remember that verses have been modified, words twisted, in the New Testament to satisfy the needs of creating a unified religion under Rome. the biblical Jesus was really no more than a literary vessel for ancient teachings, and the way you people make only literal readings of them is a sin. I mean, really. Virgin births, turning water to wine, curing the blind, crucifixions, rising from the dead, ascending to the mothership and all, pahleez..

I posted a whole lecture that walls you through this very topic given by a Messianic who understands the Torah and the language it was written in.

Of course I'm SURE you know more than any scholar or jew or believer on the planet.

Here is the tattoo I have on my wrist.

20220202-173100.jpg


If H can tell us what language this is, what it says, and explain the origin? Then we can talk about how the entire OT from the pentateuch on involves and is about Christ.

You have to literally toss out most of the entire OT to claim that Christ isnt in it.

People who are hostile towards Christ to begin with typically cannot have honest discussions about it. Kinda how Blandscape thinks Christianity is some white supremacist movement that has killed millions for white Jesus. You cant talk or reason with people motivated by hate or "contempt". Their narrow minds slam shut.
So, what are you wearing, MS Aramaica?
 

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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
Its not a fallacy tho. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
Was he now?
Are you sure he wasn't a Buddhist presenting an old tradition to a new audience, and so taking a familiar form.

Oh and btw, why not when you say "Jesus" is mentioned in the Old Testament, you link and say why you believe that though he is not once mentioned, that he is mentioned. And please remember that verses have been modified, words twisted, in the New Testament to satisfy the needs of creating a unified religion under Rome. the biblical Jesus was really no more than a literary vessel for ancient teachings, and the way you people make only literal readings of them is a sin. I mean, really. Virgin births, turning water to wine, curing the blind, crucifixions, rising from the dead, ascending to the mothership and all, pahleez..

I posted a whole lecture that walls you through this very topic given by a Messianic who understands the Torah and the language it was written in.

Of course I'm SURE you know more than any scholar or jew or believer on the planet.

Here is the tattoo I have on my wrist.

20220202-173100.jpg


If H can tell us what language this is, what it says, and explain the origin? Then we can talk about how the entire OT from the pentateuch on involves and is about Christ.

You have to literally toss out most of the entire OT to claim that Christ isnt in it.

People who are hostile towards Christ to begin with typically cannot have honest discussions about it. Kinda how Blandscape thinks Christianity is some white supremacist movement that has killed millions for white Jesus. You cant talk or reason with people motivated by hate or "contempt". Their narrow minds slam shut.
So, what are you wearing?

Can you respond to the post I directed at you? Or are you content to sit there and eat crayons?
 

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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
Its not a fallacy tho. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
Was he now?
Are you sure he wasn't a Buddhist presenting an old tradition to a new audience, and so taking a familiar form.

Oh and btw, why not when you say "Jesus" is mentioned in the Old Testament, you link and say why you believe that though he is not once mentioned, that he is mentioned. And please remember that verses have been modified, words twisted, in the New Testament to satisfy the needs of creating a unified religion under Rome. the biblical Jesus was really no more than a literary vessel for ancient teachings, and the way you people make only literal readings of them is a sin. I mean, really. Virgin births, turning water to wine, curing the blind, crucifixions, rising from the dead, ascending to the mothership and all, pahleez..

I posted a whole lecture that walls you through this very topic given by a Messianic who understands the Torah and the language it was written in.

Of course I'm SURE you know more than any scholar or jew or believer on the planet.

Here is the tattoo I have on my wrist.

20220202-173100.jpg


If H can tell us what language this is, what it says, and explain the origin? Then we can talk about how the entire OT from the pentateuch on involves and is about Christ.

You have to literally toss out most of the entire OT to claim that Christ isnt in it.

People who are hostile towards Christ to begin with typically cannot have honest discussions about it. Kinda how Blandscape thinks Christianity is some white supremacist movement that has killed millions for white Jesus. You cant talk or reason with people motivated by hate or "contempt". Their narrow minds slam shut.
So, what are you wearing?

Can you respond to the post I directed at you? Or are you content to sit there and eat crayons?
What's wrong with crayons? I damn near joined the Marines myself.
 

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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
Its not a fallacy tho. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
Was he now?
Are you sure he wasn't a Buddhist presenting an old tradition to a new audience, and so taking a familiar form.

Oh and btw, why not when you say "Jesus" is mentioned in the Old Testament, you link and say why you believe that though he is not once mentioned, that he is mentioned. And please remember that verses have been modified, words twisted, in the New Testament to satisfy the needs of creating a unified religion under Rome. the biblical Jesus was really no more than a literary vessel for ancient teachings, and the way you people make only literal readings of them is a sin. I mean, really. Virgin births, turning water to wine, curing the blind, crucifixions, rising from the dead, ascending to the mothership and all, pahleez..

I posted a whole lecture that walls you through this very topic given by a Messianic who understands the Torah and the language it was written in.

Of course I'm SURE you know more than any scholar or jew or believer on the planet.

Here is the tattoo I have on my wrist.

20220202-173100.jpg


If H can tell us what language this is, what it says, and explain the origin? Then we can talk about how the entire OT from the pentateuch on involves and is about Christ.

You have to literally toss out most of the entire OT to claim that Christ isnt in it.

People who are hostile towards Christ to begin with typically cannot have honest discussions about it. Kinda how Blandscape thinks Christianity is some white supremacist movement that has killed millions for white Jesus. You cant talk or reason with people motivated by hate or "contempt". Their narrow minds slam shut.
So, what are you wearing?

Can you respond to the post I directed at you? Or are you content to sit there and eat crayons?
What's wrong with crayons? I damn near joined the Marines myself.

I dont understand how I can say something and you will quote and respond with something that has nothing at all to do with what I said.

Are you doing that on purpose or is there some sort of serious problem or malfunction in the matrix where you see completely different things from what I actually posted?

I could say water is wet and you would tell me to get well soon.
 

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Zola was a messianic jew. PWN3D!
Dude, messianic Jews who call Jesus messiah are a miniscule handful. That's why Jews who practice Judaism are still waiting, rather than practicing Christians.
Jews expectations for messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, and the few references of Jesus as "messiah" (New Test) are later additions (post Nicea) or/and gross misinterpretations of the term Christos equating it to messiah of the Jews. Do recall that the effort was to bring the pagans and Jews under a new Roman religion so these connections were made to comfort those being absorbed.
..but, you teach, Rabbi. Tell us why "the Messiah" didn't subdue the enemies of Israel bringing peace to the world etc. Why were they still being held captive, and being massacred long after Jesus' alleged time of death.
I personally DGAF what your opinion is, just pointing out the error of your previous post. The Bible also supports Jesus being rejected by most Jews until an eventual mass acceptance of Him.
Oh, so you got nuthin, huh? I'm shocked.
There was no error in my previous post. Judaism is not Christianity any more than Christianity is Islam.
Answer the question I posed, Rabbi, or be stoned to death in accordance with the law.
I already answered. Christianity IS Judaism. Therefore, the premise of your statement is incorrect.
Simply restating a fallacy won't make it true, Rabbi Goebbels.
Its not a fallacy tho. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
Was he now?
Are you sure he wasn't a Buddhist presenting an old tradition to a new audience, and so taking a familiar form.

Oh and btw, why not when you say "Jesus" is mentioned in the Old Testament, you link and say why you believe that though he is not once mentioned, that he is mentioned. And please remember that verses have been modified, words twisted, in the New Testament to satisfy the needs of creating a unified religion under Rome. the biblical Jesus was really no more than a literary vessel for ancient teachings, and the way you people make only literal readings of them is a sin. I mean, really. Virgin births, turning water to wine, curing the blind, crucifixions, rising from the dead, ascending to the mothership and all, pahleez..
You're not required to believe. The simple FACT is, Jesus was a Jew, followed the Torah AND the Law, and the Pharisee Saul vouched for Him and His teachings. "The Way" is Judaism.
 
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You're not required to believe.
...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law
LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.
Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.
 

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You're not required to believe.
...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law
LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.
Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.
Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.
 
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You're not required to believe.
...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law
LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.
Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.
Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.
. Just once I'd like one of these yahooz to say something vaguely intriguing or insightful, or that isn't widely know that is also true, and on any subject really.
..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.
I already know all the nonsense, which is how I know it's nonsense. :LOL3:
 

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You're not required to believe.
...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law
LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.
Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.
Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.
It aint like he knows any of it.
 

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You're not required to believe.
...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law
LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.
Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.
Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.
. Just once I'd like one of these yahooz to say something vaguely intriguing or insightful, or that isn't widely know that is also true, and on any subject really.
..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.
I already know all the nonsense, which is how I know it's nonsense. :LOL3:

Isaiah 53




New International Version








53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[
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] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[
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9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[
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] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[
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by his knowledge[
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12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[
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and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[
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because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
 

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You're not required to believe.
...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law
LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.
Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.
Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.
. Just once I'd like one of these yahooz to say something vaguely intriguing or insightful, or that isn't widely know that is also true, and on any subject really.
..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.
I already know all the nonsense, which is how I know it's nonsense. :LOL3:

Isaiah 53




New International Version









53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[
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] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[
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]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[
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] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[
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] and be satisfied[
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];
by his knowledge[
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] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[
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]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[
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because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
Keep that in mind, it could be important if you ever end up on Fringe Christian Sect Jeopardy!
 

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You're not required to believe.
...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law
LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.
Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.
Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.

Says a guy who doesnt know what Theonomy is..... about another guy who doesnt know what the protoevangelum is and doesnt know what the OT was about.

I'm sure his "theology" stops at something about a magic sky wizard with a beard. Just a guess.
 

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You're not required to believe.
...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law
LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.
Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.
Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.
. Just once I'd like one of these yahooz to say something vaguely intriguing or insightful, or that isn't widely know that is also true, and on any subject really.
..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.
I already know all the nonsense, which is how I know it's nonsense. :LOL3:

Isaiah 53




New International Version









53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[
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] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[
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9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[
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] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[
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by his knowledge[
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and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[
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and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[
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because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
Keep that in mind, it could be important if you ever end up on Fringe Christian Sect Jeopardy!

The belief that Christ wasnt in the OT is a fringe belief. Js.

Are you claiming Isaiah 53 is fringe?! Good grief.
 
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You're not required to believe.
...and I don't. Ya know why?...because the little that you've said is complete bs.
You've furnished no proof that there is any reason to believe that "Jesus" is mentioned in the OT, which is understandable because he wasn't. Remember - the burden is on you to make positive proofs, not for me to catalogue each time he is not mentioned, which would mean reproducing the entire text.

followed the Torah AND the Law
LoLz - you know that is untrue. He followed a higher law. ..and broke the Jewish law quite flagrantly on occasions when it got in the way.

"The Way" is Judaism.
Maybe for a Jew, but when Jesus said I am the way, he meant that the allegorical life which you read of in the gospels is the way. Not he himself, but the path of initiation which it describes. Try to bear in mind that the gospels aren't historical records of actual events (which is why the synoptic gospels often do not jibe - because those story details don't matter) - that's why there is no trace of Jesus other than forgeries and people grasping at straws. They are simply the outer teachings of certain schools in that time and place. If you quit being a literalist you might actually learn something.
Do not fuck with the Holliday on yer Theology.
. Just once I'd like one of these yahooz to say something vaguely intriguing or insightful, or that isn't widely know that is also true, and on any subject really.
..anyway, wanna bet loctardo comes back with some nonsense about Isaiah 53.
I already know all the nonsense, which is how I know it's nonsense. :LOL3:

Isaiah 53




New International Version









53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[
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] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[
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]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[
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] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[
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] and be satisfied[
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];
by his knowledge[
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] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[
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]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[
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]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
LoLz - not Jesus. Was Jesus unsightly and disfigured.
PS: he did not die to absolve us of our sins either.
No Christian believes that. Oh, maybe some xtians, Catlicks and protestinks do, but not Christians.

So tell me loctardo - since Judaism is Christianity and the concepts of the Trinity, the afterlife, and forgiveness (I guess in your mind the same as throwing homos off hotel roofs) are central to Christianity, could you outline their origins in the OT. Oh and while you're back there, see if you can find the foundations of the US constitution. LoLs on that one. ...and maybe a prophesy of the 40 murders committed by BLM.

PPS: ...and could you explain how the wrathful, angry, self aggrandizing, violent and generally hideous god of the OT transformed itself into the father within, benevolent, patient, forgiving God of the New Testament?
 
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