Texas Vs White (the question of unilateral secession)

[Lily]

No state has the unilateral right to secede from the United States. @Blazor

"The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual". And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union". It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?

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Chief Justice Salmon Chase continues:

"When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

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[Blazor]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

 

[Lily]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

 

[Blazor]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

 

[Lily]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

 

[Blazor]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

I cant wait to drop some facts on you lol.

Will you at least order me tacos next Tuesday if Im right? I have a good place I go, its affordable, less than $10 hahaha

 

[Lily]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

I cant wait to drop some facts on you lol.

Will you at least order me tacos next Tuesday if Im right? I have a good place I go, its affordable, less than $10 hahaha

Begging to be fed. Sad.

 

[Blazor]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

I cant wait to drop some facts on you lol.

Will you at least order me tacos next Tuesday if Im right? I have a good place I go, its affordable, less than $10 hahaha

Begging to be fed. Sad.

Is that what you consider "civil" discussion? Be a shame if I....... do an @

I can afford it on my own. If you cant handle my humor, nor accept my bet, than that means you have doubt.

Do you have doubt Lilith?

 

[Lily]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

I cant wait to drop some facts on you lol.

Will you at least order me tacos next Tuesday if Im right? I have a good place I go, its affordable, less than $10 hahaha

Begging to be fed. Sad.

Is that what you consider "civil" discussion? Be a shame if I....... do an @

I can afford it on my own. If you cant handle my humor, nor accept my bet, than that means you have doubt.

Do you have doubt Lilith?

I have no doubts, I'm just amazed you have no shame. I ain't got no cheese or tacos for you, Blazor.

 

[Blazor]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

I cant wait to drop some facts on you lol.

Will you at least order me tacos next Tuesday if Im right? I have a good place I go, its affordable, less than $10 hahaha

Begging to be fed. Sad.

Is that what you consider "civil" discussion? Be a shame if I....... do an @

I can afford it on my own. If you cant handle my humor, nor accept my bet, than that means you have doubt.

Do you have doubt Lilith?

I have no doubts, I'm just amazed you have no shame. I ain't got no cheese or tacos for you, Blazor.

No tacos!!!!! What kind of Mexican are YOU!!!!???? Are you a MexiCANT!?


Thats ok, @The Countess makes better tacos, so I hear.

 

[Lily]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

I cant wait to drop some facts on you lol.

Will you at least order me tacos next Tuesday if Im right? I have a good place I go, its affordable, less than $10 hahaha

Begging to be fed. Sad.

Is that what you consider "civil" discussion? Be a shame if I....... do an @

I can afford it on my own. If you cant handle my humor, nor accept my bet, than that means you have doubt.

Do you have doubt Lilith?

I have no doubts, I'm just amazed you have no shame. I ain't got no cheese or tacos for you, Blazor.

No tacos!!!!! What kind of Mexican are YOU!!!!???? Are you a MexiCANT!?


Thats ok, @The Countess makes better tacos, so I hear.

Silly.

 

[Blazor]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

I cant wait to drop some facts on you lol.

Will you at least order me tacos next Tuesday if Im right? I have a good place I go, its affordable, less than $10 hahaha

Begging to be fed. Sad.

Is that what you consider "civil" discussion? Be a shame if I....... do an @

I can afford it on my own. If you cant handle my humor, nor accept my bet, than that means you have doubt.

Do you have doubt Lilith?

I have no doubts, I'm just amazed you have no shame. I ain't got no cheese or tacos for you, Blazor.

No tacos!!!!! What kind of Mexican are YOU!!!!???? Are you a MexiCANT!?


Thats ok, @The Countess makes better tacos, so I hear.

Silly.

Yes I am

Now, give me time to make my tacos lol. I'll be back!!!

 

[Lily]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

I cant wait to drop some facts on you lol.

Will you at least order me tacos next Tuesday if Im right? I have a good place I go, its affordable, less than $10 hahaha

Begging to be fed. Sad.

Is that what you consider "civil" discussion? Be a shame if I....... do an @

I can afford it on my own. If you cant handle my humor, nor accept my bet, than that means you have doubt.

Do you have doubt Lilith?

I have no doubts, I'm just amazed you have no shame. I ain't got no cheese or tacos for you, Blazor.

No tacos!!!!! What kind of Mexican are YOU!!!!???? Are you a MexiCANT!?


Thats ok, @The Countess makes better tacos, so I hear.

Silly.

Yes I am

Now, give me time to make my tacos lol. I'll be back!!!

The thread isn't going anywhere, Blazor.

 

[Blazor]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

I cant wait to drop some facts on you lol.

Will you at least order me tacos next Tuesday if Im right? I have a good place I go, its affordable, less than $10 hahaha

Begging to be fed. Sad.

Is that what you consider "civil" discussion? Be a shame if I....... do an @

I can afford it on my own. If you cant handle my humor, nor accept my bet, than that means you have doubt.

Do you have doubt Lilith?

I have no doubts, I'm just amazed you have no shame. I ain't got no cheese or tacos for you, Blazor.

No tacos!!!!! What kind of Mexican are YOU!!!!???? Are you a MexiCANT!?


Thats ok, @The Countess makes better tacos, so I hear.

Silly.

Yes I am

Now, give me time to make my tacos lol. I'll be back!!!

The thread isn't going anywhere, Blazor.

Oh you wait

 

[Lily]

Virginia had the right. FACT!

I will talk to you after I eat my tacos hahaha.

If I prove you wrong...... you must accept my facts, hence forth.

Deal?

You have been proven wrong by a SCOTUS ruling shortly after the CW. Game over.

:OhNoNo:



I hope you got your popcorn ready

Sorry. The SCOTUS rules on this based on founding father's documents. More perfect UNION.

The secession by the southern states was illegal. It's why you were allowed to stay in the Union once you lost the war. You were never given permission to leave.

I cant wait to drop some facts on you lol.

Will you at least order me tacos next Tuesday if Im right? I have a good place I go, its affordable, less than $10 hahaha

Begging to be fed. Sad.

Is that what you consider "civil" discussion? Be a shame if I....... do an @

I can afford it on my own. If you cant handle my humor, nor accept my bet, than that means you have doubt.

Do you have doubt Lilith?

I have no doubts, I'm just amazed you have no shame. I ain't got no cheese or tacos for you, Blazor.

No tacos!!!!! What kind of Mexican are YOU!!!!???? Are you a MexiCANT!?


Thats ok, @The Countess makes better tacos, so I hear.

Silly.

Yes I am

Now, give me time to make my tacos lol. I'll be back!!!

The thread isn't going anywhere, Blazor.

Oh you wait

I don't need to wait for anything. History has proven you wrong. I don't know why I'm entertaining this debate with you. You still think your side won the war.

 

[Admin.]

Do school children in the Sesh states pledge allegiance to a rando confederate battle flag every morning?

 

[Blazor]

Well for starters, we could mention what is stated in the 10th amendment....

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Or we could mention what was stated in the Declaration of Independence, which even Lincoln himself once promoted....

“that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of the ends for which it was established, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, ….. ”

But lets go further. Since its about State's rights....


Three of the original thirteen states were particularly skeptical of the government that the newly-drafted Constitution created and so they ratified it only conditionally. These three states were Virginia and New York, the great powerhouses of the New World, and Rhode Island (tiny, but very liberty-minded). In their ratification documents, adopted at their Ratification Conventions, they specifically and carefully reserved the right of secession. These are referred to as the “Resumption Clauses” or “Resumptive Clauses,” and they are exceedingly important to understand this topic. I attached Virginia’s ratification document at the end of this article. You will see that Virginia conditioned her ratification on several things, including the Right to Secede and on the addition of a Bill of Rights (for which she made a number of suggestions).

Since the other states, which had unconditionally ratified the Constitution, consented to Virginia’s conditional ratification, they “ostensibly assented to the principle that Virginia permissibly retained the right to secede.” This is an essential element of contract law, of which compact theory follows. All negotiations, all conditions, all limitations, all reservations, etc become part of the compact agreement which affects all parties, as long as those negotiations, conditions, limitations, reservations, etc are not rejected by any of the other signing parties. With the additional acceptance of New York’s and Rhode Island’s conditions (their Resumption Clauses; their right to secede), the existing states of the Union clearly, albeit tacitly, accepted the doctrine of secession. Again, this is a matter of contract law, the most firmly-entrenched area of law. Furthermore, according to the Constitution, all States that joined the Union after the first thirteen also had the right of secession since new states entered on an equal footing with the exact same rights as the existing states.

Virginia was the first state to state explicitly that she would only ratify the Constitution as long as she reserved the right to leave the Union so created by it. If Virginia didn’t ratify the Constitution, it was very likely that New York, Rhode Island, and certainly North Carolina also would not. The plan for “a more perfect Union” would be defeated. In her “Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Virginia; June 26, 1788,” the state of Virginia included this express provision:

“Do in the name and in behalf of the People of Virginia declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will.”

 

[Lily]

It was ruled upon in Texas vs White...the states do not have a legal right to unilaterally secede.

Game over.

 

[Blazor]

It was ruled upon in Texas vs White...the states do not have a legal right to unilaterally secede.

Game over.

Texas did not sign as Virginia did.

Check, and Mate!

 

[Blazor]

I've proven myself to be right. You simply cant accept my truth.

No use in discussing this further. You'll never admit defeat, even though a nuke has landed on you.

 

[Blazor]

@UncleDiLF , I've gone Alpha as Brother Goldberg did. Lily cant handle my Alphaness.

Watch how I handled Large Lilith!!!

 

[Blazor]

 

[Lily]

It was ruled upon in Texas vs White...the states do not have a legal right to unilaterally secede.

Game over.

Texas did not sign as Virginia did.

Check, and Mate!

Constitutionality is for all jurisdictions subject to the Constitution. In the US it's all states. DERP

 

[Lily]

@UncleDiLF , I've gone Alpha as Brother Goldberg did. Lily cant handle my Alphaness.

Watch how I handled Large Lilith!!!

The only thing you are is Alpha Stupid.

 

[Lily]

I've proven myself to be right. You simply cant accept my truth.

No use in discussing this further. You'll never admit defeat, even though a nuke has landed on you.

You're a true believer in your own delusion.


This was settled in White Vs Texas. Better luck next time, illiterate fool.

 

[Lily]

It was ruled upon in Texas vs White...the states do not have a legal right to unilaterally secede.

Game over.

Texas did not sign as Virginia did.

Check, and Mate!

Uhm, that man would not agree with you. He'd shake his head in disbelief.

 

[Lily]

Stop spamming, spammer.

 

[Blazor]

It was ruled upon in Texas vs White...the states do not have a legal right to unilaterally secede.

Game over.

Texas did not sign as Virginia did.

Check, and Mate!

Constitutionality is for all jurisdictions subject to the Constitution. In the US it's all states. DERP

Virginia singed a clause, which gave 2 other states the same option.

 

[Blazor]

I've proven myself to be right. You simply cant accept my truth.

No use in discussing this further. You'll never admit defeat, even though a nuke has landed on you.

You're a true believer in your own delusion.


This was settled in White Vs Texas. Better luck next time, illiterate fool.

For Texas maybe, but many Texan would disagree.

 

[Lily]

It was ruled upon in Texas vs White...the states do not have a legal right to unilaterally secede.

Game over.

Texas did not sign as Virginia did.

Check, and Mate!

Constitutionality is for all jurisdictions subject to the Constitution. In the US it's all states. DERP

Virginia singed a clause, which gave 2 other states the same option.

It doesn't matter. It was ruled upon and it is settled law. Period.